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mac said:
The Heat players play harder without Lebron and Wade. I mean like duh right, you naturally have to play harder when your best players are out in order to still have a shot at winning games.
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.... duh, hell. How about some of us who like to see them play harder?
 
Npliam said:
I wonder what the argument was over, what was said, how both parties reacted to the other and why the players seemed like they were in a such a good mood after half time. It is hard to know what to make of this without knowing the answers to these questions.
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As far as the players, I would imagine they were happy that the coach stopped taking the **** that Cousins was dishing out. If anybody thinks that this was isolated lockeroom incident by Cousins then I've got some nice waterfront property for sale on the North Pole for a nominal price.
 
rainmaker said:
Cuz obviously needs help. But what is one aspect of this organization we've repeatedly talked about since drafting Reke? Our FO's inability to surround our youngsters with at least solid NBA coaches and respected vet players.

It would be a huge mistake to give up on this kid without seeing how he'd respond to a respected NBA coach. It'd be a huge mistake to give up on this kid before seeing how he'd respond to steadying vet teammates, beyond the 10th or 12th man level of Chuck and Cisco. Everyone putting all this at the feet of Cuz is ignoring the bigger picture here, the increasingly worrying problems with this organization and the incompetence on display when it comes to committing to a rebuild and stacking young players on this roster. When committing to a rebuild and building through the draft you must get a respected disciplinarian head coach to lead the ship. You must have respected vet players in the locker room to teach these kids not only about the league and being a pro, but about life.

Giving up on Cuz without those in place is the equivalent of giving up on a kid who came from a broken home with no one to teach him how to succeed in life. You have to see how he responds when given the proper tools to succeed, not before. If Cuz fails after having a JVG type as a coach and steadying vets in the locker room, then you throw up your hands and say we did our best but it didn't work out. Doing it prior to that is a cop out. It's halfassing your part of the equation. Of course a fair amount of blame lies with Cuz. But a fair amount also lies with our organization who appears to have little knowledge on how to help him and other youngsters and put them in the best situation to succeed. It's common to hear players throughout the league talk about how important vets in the locker room were to thei growth early on. This is such a toxic atmosphere for a guy like Cuz.


And hiring smart to be his best friend was a mistake from the start and I've said that repeatedly. Cuz didn't need a coach to come in and try to be his best friend and enable him, and coach with little acumen/respect around the league. He needed a well respected coach to instill in him the right and wrong way to go about things, vet teammates to help. A father figure type with a better support system. Committing to a rebuld and drafting a guy like Cuz without taking that route is incredibly incompetent. Giving up on Cuz before putting a respected head coach in place and surrounding him with better teammates if it were to happen would probably be my last straw with this organization. Siding with Keith f'ing Smart instead of attempting to make it work with a respected head coach is simply asinine.

And I'm glad Reke has Tellem as an agent and Cuz now has Fegan. Those are the two most respected people who could walk through the doors of our facility at the moment. They can rock the ship and wake Petrie the hell up. Everyone notice how every time Tellem is in town the use of Reke suddenly changes? Well, now hopefully Fegan rips Petrie a new one for his complete incompetence. It's amazing what league wide respect and power can do. And right now the only two people with league wide respect and power to enact change associated with our franchise happen to be the agents of our top two players.
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I agree 100%!!!!
 
Kingster said:
As far as the players, I would imagine they were happy that the coach stopped taking the **** that Cousins was dishing out. If anybody thinks that this was isolated lockeroom incident by Cousins then I've got some nice waterfront property for sale on the North Pole for a nominal price.
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How much? I hope its a polar bear free zone... Do you take Peso's?
 
ReMarkus Cousins makes a good case for raising the minimum age to enter the NBA. Some kids are not mature enough to handle the long, grinding night after night schedule, especially on a perenially losing team.

He has been trouble for a long time. What was said had to be pretty bad given the "indefinite suspension" and lack of details. The unfortunate thing is that a lot of the Kings lack of effort may be attributable to Cousins bad attitude and difficulty in getting along with the coaches and other players. Trading him may be the best way to go forward instead of backward.
 
Ryan said:
We should make a "Cousins Suspended" sticky thread.
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Generally, we sticky threads so that they don't get lost in the shuffle or drop off the first page from inaction. Unfortunately, I don't think we'll have to worry about either. :(

Merry Christmas, BTW...If you wanted to give the old-time guys around here a nifty present, you could post a picture of your sister. ;)
 
bajaden said:
Just think, if the Mayan's had their act together, none of this would matter! Just trying to throw a little prespective into the mix.
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The Mayans did have their act together except for eventual collapse of the civilization after some 600 years, long before Spanish arrived. It was all the silly end of world doomsday crowd that didn't have their act together since Mayans never said world would end on 12.21.12 - but just turn the page to a new age - like Cousins needs to do!
 
bajaden said:
How much? I hope its a polar bear free zone... Do you take Peso's?
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Absolutely. I don't discriminate. Give me 500 pesos and I'll give you five hundred feet of frontage with an ocean view. Give me twice as much and I'll give 2,000 ft of ocean view frontage. What a deal...
 
Cousins, an emotionally and mentally weak player, was drafted into a weak organization. Weak coach, weak organization, relatively weak veteran influences. Now we want - we need -a strong coach and organization to mold Cousins. How realistic is that? Is Phil or Jerry going to be joining us anytime soon? And, another question: Was it realistic to think that the organization was strong enough to mold Cousins when he was drafted? To have a good strategy for anything, you have to make an assessment of what is, appraising the pros and the cons, the advantages and disadvantages, a lay of the land as it were. And when Cousins was drafted that land was sterile. A history of weak coaches. A coaching carousel. Veterans that didn't have the power to form a winning culture. No winning. So was it good strategy to bring in a guy like Cousins into that minefield? Or is a better strategy to look for the players that are of strong mind, who are not severely immature, who can develop even without a strong organization (e.g. Jason Thompson)? I think the latter approach deals with reality, whereas the former has a much higher risk of failure because it is based upon fulfilling many needs that for numerous reasons cannot be met.
 
Kingster said:
Cousins, an emotionally and mentally weak player, was drafted into a weak organization. Weak coach, weak organization, relatively weak veteran influences. Now we want - we need -a strong coach and organization to mold Cousins. How realistic is that? Is Phil or Jerry going to be joining us anytime soon? And, another question: Was it realistic to think that the organization was strong enough to mold Cousins when he was drafted? To have a good strategy for anything, you have to make an assessment of what is, appraising the pros and the cons, the advantages and disadvantages, a lay of the land as it were. And when Cousins was drafted that land was sterile. A history of weak coaches. A coaching carousel. Veterans that didn't have the power to form a winning culture. No winning. So was it good strategy to bring in a guy like Cousins into that minefield? Or is a better strategy to look for the players that are of strong mind, who are not severely immature, who can develop even without a strong organization (e.g. Jason Thompson)? I think the latter approach deals with reality, whereas the former has a much higher risk of failure because it is based upon fulfilling many needs that for numerous reasons cannot be met.
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Unfortunately the second approach deals with the reality of a team sucking every year with your nice balanced team of mid-tier guys, especially in a small market that hasn't lucked into a Durant or Duncan.
 
ppine said:
Trading him may be the best way to go forward instead of backward.
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You don't get it, do you?

We have one of the stingiest owners in the League right now. And we can't get rid of them. All we can do is wait for themselves to fire themselves out.

We have one of the laziest GM in Petrie who just draft and trade for players for the sake of moving pieces and nothing more. Every aspect of basketball operations seems mismanaged as can be seen on the product on the court. Bad news, the Maloofs are still hanging on to him as our perpetual GM.

Then we have the dumbest coach ever in Smart. Bad news, the Maloofs and Petrie won't fire him.

We have Petrie assembling a team composed of poor players who don't fit. Bad news, most of them are hard to move now.

Now, name me a few things that is good news for us fans.

IMO, one can only think of two. For some reasons of luck, Petrie was able to draft the uber-talented players in Evans and Cousins.

And now, you want to get rid of one of them?
 
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Catch 22. They’ve tried every other approach with him with no luck. I don’t think he’s the type to respond to putting your foot down, but that’s what it’s come to. He sits for a while. The union will get involved pretty soon, which means the Kings are going to have to pay him but not play him. When he loafs or freaks out, he’s going to have to sit a chunk of the game. Most likely, he will rebel, push back, and the Kings will be force to trade him soon to prevent him from destroying what’s left of the team.

Perhaps enough people will get into his ear through this process that he’ll start to see the light. But the flip side of the Catch 22 is that between Cousins’ anger and Fegan, I think he would take the one year qualifying offer from the Kings instead of an extension and leave as an unrestricted free agent the next season.

There is a chance he stays after “getting it” Worst case, it boosts his value for a trade next season is that happens. And I think it’s the only path forward, but it’s tough. They probably can’t be hard enough on him to break him. If they do, he will leave.
 
Larry David said:
They’ve tried every other approach with him with no luck.
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We haven't tried enough and Petrie should have done more.

The altercation with Sean Elliot should never have happened if our GM put in place enough safeguard to prevent such things from happenning.

The OJ Mayo incident should have been nothing. The problem is Petrie didn't make a move to investigate. He should have sent out a statement that the action was investigated and found it was not intentional. If he did, the NBA could have been prevented from taking action against our franchise player.

And this thing with coach Smart has happened before. It is not something unexpected. Something should have been done before it happened again, like say put Cousins into an anger management program or psychiatric consult.

Our GM drafted a headcase, he should have had a plan to deal with it.

This is the problem with the Kings. We have a very passive GM who just sits there, draft and trades for the sake of moving pieces, then reacts late when something goes wrong. No vision at all. The basketball operations is terribly mismanaged.
 
sdballer said:
Unfortunately the second approach deals with the reality of a team sucking every year with your nice balanced team of mid-tier guys, especially in a small market that hasn't lucked into a Durant or Duncan.
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No it doesn't. It just means you don't opt for the high risk Cousins type player in the draft. You're inferring that you have to opt for high risk in order to get a good ballplayer. The two are not mutually exclusive.
 
Kingster said:
No it doesn't. It just means you don't opt for the high risk Cousins type player in the draft. You're inferring that you have to opt for high risk in order to get a good ballplayer. The two are not mutually exclusive.
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Not as frequently when you are drafting in the 5-12 range. Those tend to be younger guys with big question marks or older, lower upside guys. Cousins was the right blend of a pretty decent draft class and big talent but question marks. The chances of finding a guy with his upside in the mid to late lottery twice in about 5 years are not on our side and we won't get anywhere by drafting Jimmers and TRobs as our cornerstones.
 
Kingster said:
No it doesn't. It just means you don't opt for the high risk Cousins type player in the draft. You're inferring that you have to opt for high risk in order to get a good ballplayer. The two are not mutually exclusive.
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We drafted a #1 overall pick talent #5. That was due to the risk. It was a huge boon to this franchise to get screwed in the draft order and still get a chance at a franchise level talent.
 
I sure hope this franchise doesn't get rid of Cousins. No matter which way he goes he will be a star. could be next Artest/rasheed wallace. Or could be next Webber. All three with had issues one never got rid of them but still good. One got better but still had his moments was a good player. One got rid of it all was a great player. Cousins will be a star either way.
 
[video]http://www.news10.net/video/default.aspx?bctid=2053631817001&odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cfeatur ed[/video]

Now Amick is an NBA reporter.
 
Bricklayer said:
[video]http://www.news10.net/video/default.aspx?bctid=2053631817001&odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cfeatur ed[/video]

Now Amick is an NBA reporter.
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I am at work so no videos. what does Amick have to say paraphrasing of course?
 
Amick thinking: really surprised Boogie's not untouchable anymore, some "veterans" don't like him, Cousins has some unknown personal problems, he's still here come this summer, but after the next he will be gone more likely than not.
 
Larry David said:
Catch 22. They’ve tried every other approach with him with no luck. I don’t think he’s the type to respond to putting your foot down, but that’s what it’s come to. He sits for a while. The union will get involved pretty soon, which means the Kings are going to have to pay him but not play him. When he loafs or freaks out, he’s going to have to sit a chunk of the game. Most likely, he will rebel, push back, and the Kings will be force to trade him soon to prevent him from destroying what’s left of the team.

Perhaps enough people will get into his ear through this process that he’ll start to see the light. But the flip side of the Catch 22 is that between Cousins’ anger and Fegan, I think he would take the one year qualifying offer from the Kings instead of an extension and leave as an unrestricted free agent the next season.

There is a chance he stays after “getting it” Worst case, it boosts his value for a trade next season is that happens. And I think it’s the only path forward, but it’s tough. They probably can’t be hard enough on him to break him. If they do, he will leave.
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They haven't tried putting a winning team on the court.
 
Gilles said:
Amick thinking: really surprised Boogie's not untouchable anymore, some "veterans" don't like him, Cousins has some unknown personal problems, he's still here come this summer, but after the next he will be gone more likely than not.
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Maybe if we had some veterans that could actually produce that would mean something. The veterans on this team are the biggest problem. They aren't very good.
 
People want a prime example of why you stick with a talented but troubled player? Look at Dez Bryant of the Cowboys. Fans wanted him gone at the halfway point of the season. Called a bust, trouble maker, etc. His numbers were decent, but now he's tearing it up in the second half of his 3rd year.
 
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