Adelman's 7 man rotation does it a again!!

SacTownKid

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Wow, I would have to chalk this loss up to coaching. Why does Adelman always wait until the other team makes a huge run and goes up to try to change things up?

No Tag, no win, no surprise.

Evans was awesome though.
 
Tag wouldn't have made much of a difference, since the thing that killed us was perimeter shooting.
 
VF21 said:
Tag wouldn't have made much of a difference, since the thing that killed us was perimeter shooting.
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I disagree. With Tag in there the defenders can tighten up on their man knowing there is a shot blocker if they get beat off the dribble. I would love to ask RA why he left Tag out of the mix.
 
KP said:
Kings couldn't hit a shot forever how the hell was that coaching?
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Didn't say the loss was entirely coaching. (It was a good solid mix of players and coaching) I just thought Tag would have helped.
 
Heuge said:
Didn't say the loss was entirely coaching. (It was a good solid mix of players and coaching) I just thought Tag would have helped.
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Fair enough.
 
KP said:
Kings couldn't hit a shot forever how the hell was that coaching?
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When something is not working it is up to the coach to make a change (personel, play calls, timeouts, etc). Adelman showed no urgency and his lack of substitution hurt them tonight. Even if you don't "match up" well if a change is needed then make it. Leaving the same guys in helps much less then causing a supposed bad match up.
 
SacTownKid said:
When something is not working it is up to the coach to make a change (personel, play calls, timeouts, etc). Adelman showed no urgency and his lack of substitution hurt them tonight. Even if you don't "match up" well if a change is needed then make it. Leaving the same guys in helps much less then causing a supposed bad match up.
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Sometimes leaving guys in and not calling time out is more of a message than making a change. Basically saying I'm not gonna bail you guys out. I also think it's kinda funny two guys who have never coached an NBA game in our lives are discussing the decisions of one of the most winningest coaches in NBA history.
 
I should note that the winningest coach of all time was famous for sitting there on the bench with a smirk on his face and refusing to call a time out as the team was struggling just to force them to play throuogh it.

That said, tonight you just had to try something at a certain point there.
 
Bricklayer said:
I should note that the winningest coach of all time was famous for sitting there on the bench with a smirk on his face and refusing to call a time out as the team was struggling just to force them to play throuogh it.
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Don't cloud the issue with logic, Bricklayer. Haven't you heard by now? Adelman can do no right; he could be a carbon copy of Phil F. Jackson himself, and his players would still win "in spite" of him... :rolleyes:
 
Well for right now I am only concerned with Adelmans record and if he continues to let his team play through it the L column is going to get bigger and bigger. This team has shown a lack of being able to play through it. If anything, when our bench guys are inserted they play much better.
 
SacTownKid said:
Well for right now I am only concerned with Adelmans record and if he continues to let his team play through it the L column is going to get bigger and bigger. This team has shown a lack of being able to play through it. If anything, when our bench guys are inserted they play much better.
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And what do you say when Adelman lets the team play through it and they WIN????

I couldn't care less about Adelman's record and I'm not overly concerned with the W-L at this point. What I want to see is consistent effort on the part of the team. That's not happening and you can't blame the coach. At one point Adelman was apopletic on the sidelines, screaming at the team to call a timeout as soon as they got possession of the ball. Unfortunately, they got possession AND turned it over again before the timeout could be called. There's no way you blame the coach for that kind of stuff.

Well, let me rephrase: There's no way I'd blame the coach for that kind of stuff
 
VF21 said:
And what do you say when Adelman lets the team play through it and they WIN????

I couldn't care less about Adelman's record and I'm not overly concerned with the W-L at this point. What I want to see is consistent effort on the part of the team. That's not happening and you can't blame the coach. At one point Adelman was apopletic on the sidelines, screaming at the team to call a timeout as soon as they got possession of the ball. Unfortunately, they got possession AND turned it over again before the timeout could be called. There's no way you blame the coach for that kind of stuff.

Well, let me rephrase: There's no way I'd blame the coach for that kind of stuff
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Well, when it happens consistently it is called a pattern. A patter of poor play, execution, etc... falls squarely on the coaches shoulders because he is not able to make adjustments in order to put the team in a position to win.

There is no accountability on this team for poor play or the lack of even trying on the defensive end and that again falls squarely on the shoulders of the coach.
 
Ryle is correct, no matter what happens the blame falls on the coaches shoulders. That is why they are more often then not the first to go when a team goes through major changes.

My arguement is that he should have done something a lot sooner. Even though I don't see a timeout as a solution he waited until we were already way down to call one.
 
At one point Adelman was apopletic on the sidelines, screaming at the team to call a timeout as soon as they got possession of the ball. Unfortunately, they got possession AND turned it over again before the timeout could be called. There's no way you blame the coach for that kind of stuff.
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How is it Adelman's fault that he tries to get the team to call a time out but they don't do it? What exactly is he supposed to do? Send up road flares?

But that's rhetorical...

This was a horrible game and there's enough blame to go around to everyone. I don't think all of it should be put on Adelman. Some? Sure. I'm just tired of him always getting dumped on for the losses and yet those same people are never around when he wins. I guess I'm splitting hairs but to me it's a matter of balance. If you're going to gripe about the bad stuff, then praise the good stuff...
 
KP said:
Thers no way they would say anything then... thats my point!
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I said the same thing when the Kings beat the Bucks!!! The answer I got was,"well, we still won."

So I did say something.
 
STK - You're missing the point. Have you ever come on this board when the Kings played well and applauded Adelman? No? Well, why not? You're awfully quick on the trigger when he loses.

That's what I'm talking about... and KP.
 
Ryle said:
Well, when it happens consistently it is called a pattern. A patter of poor play, execution, etc... falls squarely on the coaches shoulders because he is not able to make adjustments in order to put the team in a position to win.

There is no accountability on this team for poor play or the lack of even trying on the defensive end and that again falls squarely on the shoulders of the coach.
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Oh that's just over the top. Given that we generally execute BETTER than any other team in the league on a night to night basis, I guess every other coach in the league must really stink and not be holding his team accountable.

Alternately we could just be slumping with sloppy play which will likely rectify itself over time.

As an aside, what exactly are people expecting with this defensive personnel? There is simply no way that this team, with this personnel, can be a great defensive squad. Doesn't matter who is coaching. More minutes for Tag, but what else can you do? Where are our stoppers?
 
Bad loss guys I guess we all agree on that. Shoulda, Coulda, woulda but so what. The Spurs are Comin up! Lets forget this loss and focus on a game that really matters!
 
VF21 said:
STK - You're missing the point. Have you ever come on this board when the Kings played well and applauded Adelman? No? Well, why not? You're awfully quick on the trigger when he loses.

That's what I'm talking about... and KP.
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Coaches don't get credit b/c there is a level of expectation involved. Its a huge double standard and is an unfair part of the game, but none the less it is a part of the game. Tonight there were glaring mistakes. Its up to him to put the people on the floor that will give us the best chance to win and to make CHANGES when neccessary. Tonight he made no real effort to make a change.
 
Whatever.

I'm asking if YOU - known on this board as SacTownKId - have ever bothered to make a positive comment about Adelman after a good game and you choose to reply with empty platitudes about "coaches don't get credit" - blah, blah, blah.

Are you just not understanding? RA TRIED his best to get the team to call a timeout. The clock has to be stopped to make player substitutions. He (RA) was obviously very frustrated because he couldn't get the time out, as I have stated repeatedly. When he did FINALLY get the team to retain possession long enough to call time, the game went to commercial and when they returned, we had a DIFFERENT lineup. Clear now?
 
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SacTownKid said:
Coaches don't get credit b/c there is a level of expectation involved. Its a huge double standard and is an unfair part of the game, but none the less it is a part of the game. Tonight there were glaring mistakes. Its up to him to put the people on the floor that will give us the best chance to win and to make CHANGES when neccessary. Tonight he made no real effort to make a change.
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That is just totally sad. Unfair part of the game? No, that would have to be the people who are commenting that are being unfair. We can all choose to praise, as well as criticize. It is a choice, and you obviously choose to only criticize when it comes to Adelman. There is no law against praising, as well.
 
Hold up for a second I think there is a misunderstanding here.

I understand what you are saying but my issue is that he waited until we were already down to make a change, as he has done before. I understand he wanted the timeout but we were already spiraling down for awhile.
 
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That is just totally sad. Unfair part of the game? No, that would have to be the people who are commenting that are being unfair. We can all choose to praise, as well as criticize. It is a choice, and you obviously choose to only criticize when it comes to Adelman. There is no law against praising, as well.
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I was making a general statement about how coaches are the last to be praised and the first to be critized. I agree it is sad that it's that way.
 
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