Adelman Fired!!! (placeholder thread)
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nbrans
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I'm starting to flip-flop on my once iron-clad Adelman loyalty. I admire his patience and his disinclination to disrespect his players. But every couple of games it's the players who are showing complete disrespect to Adelman and the ownership and the fans. They deserve to have someone in their face and calling them out and embarassing them by, say, not starting members of the core the next game.
Adelman's hands-off style works great when you have strong locker room leadership to do the dirty work when it comes to motivation and accountability. Absent that, he has to pick up the slack. He just has to. He's the coach, and he has to do what it takes. Never mind that it might be something he's not good at or isn't used to or that it "isn't his style."
I have nothing but respect for Adelman, and I wish this team had a heart and that someone stepped up when Webber left, but this team is in desperate need of accountability and will to win.
Adelman's hands-off style works great when you have strong locker room leadership to do the dirty work when it comes to motivation and accountability. Absent that, he has to pick up the slack. He just has to. He's the coach, and he has to do what it takes. Never mind that it might be something he's not good at or isn't used to or that it "isn't his style."
I have nothing but respect for Adelman, and I wish this team had a heart and that someone stepped up when Webber left, but this team is in desperate need of accountability and will to win.
Padrino
All-Star
nbrans said:
i think this is a good post regarding adelman. its sensible, rather than the usual "adelman is the devil" drivel. well done.
i've long been an adelman supporter, but thats not to say i dont wish he would do things differently at times. i've always kinda thrown up a big ? at a lot of his lineup and substitution patterns. but hey, his record as a coach has to speak for itself. he gets the job done, with much...and with little. he's had great talent to work with in the past, and even when talent was sparse, he still managed to maximize the [offensive] effectiveness of the players he coached. but this year, with so much talent in the starting unit (however unbalanced it may be), adelman has not been able to help restore any level of consistency. i think most of the blame should rest with the front office and the players themselves, neither of which has shown even an inkling of pride. but adelman deserves his share as well. for the most part, i think even adelman has grown apathetic in the wake of a sub-.500 record. i'm sure he can't wait to get outta town. i don't believe that a coaching change is going to necessarily help he kings this season, but they're beyond help as it is, and "change" needs to be the prevailing theme over the next coupla seasons as GP and the maloofs hopefully attempt to right this sinking ship........sunken ship?!
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
MMMMMM.....Mongolian BBQ!!!VF21 said:
nbrans said:
I had to search for this...
It's amazing how much difference ONE PLAYER can make in how a team interacts and reacts to their coach and each other.
I read this thread and am so glad Petrie and the Maloofs didn't panic and get rid of the one coach who is now getting the most out of the tools he has to work with.
Diabeticwonder
Bench
From RA's few recent comments it appears that he wants to stay here and the Maloofs have also made similar comments, or at least one of them has in recent weeks. It's very likely that the Kings will finish at or above .500 (have to go 11-10 the rest of the way) and if that happens, which I'm sure it will, then RA has to be given an extension. If he's not then I really think that the Maloofs will come under a lot of fire.
QueensFan
Bench
It wasn't just "one player." It was a player who, from, the moment he got here, changed Rick's status from Lame Duck to potential Coach of the Future. Acquiring Artest meant Rick COULDN'T be fired this year or probably even next. When players know that their coach will be around for a while, they react differently to him.VF21 said:
kingkung
Bench
Ryle said:Boy, you guys/gals were busy over night. I started this post as a joke and then went to bed....I get up and it's already 4 pages!!!! Don't you people sleep.
Ryle, you shouldn't start threads with sensational headlines that fool the reader into clicking on your thread. That is just plain wrong. I am offended.
loopymitch
All-Star
I agree Ryle, before Artest's arrival, we were floundering on mediocrity and now we have energy, teamwork and a spark that we were lacking previously. If it's to RA's credit then where was it the first part of the season? We're a team again and I like it.
nbrans
All-Star
loopymitch said:
So Adelman gets all of the blame for the first half and none of the credit for the second half?
I just feel like Adelman wasn't the right coach for the team we had in the first half of the season, and it wasn't to his credit that he couldn't inspire the team. So he deserves part of the blame.
Now that the Kings have a new team Adelman has them working extremely well together, even though there still hasn't been one single game where some combination of Bonzi, Miller, SAR or Garcia weren't injured. The Kings still have not yet had a complete eight man lineup since the Artest trade and yet they just won four out of five. Adelman definitely deserves part of the credit fo the turnaround.
Everyone on the team (except for the new guys) deserve to take some part of the blame, including Adelman. They were losing games they should've won, collapsed in the fourth, and the trio of Mike, Brad, & Peja just didn't work.
But now, Artest instilled in the guys a new sense of defensive intensity and Adelman has been able to work through all the midseason changes to bring the Kings within a game and a half out of the eighth. Artest seems to be fitting into Adelman's coaching style. Kevin and Francisco have been playing well. Bonzi and SAR are finally off the injured list. Mike's figured out what he's best at on the court to help the team to win. Adelman does work well with this team and he does deserve credit for pulling through with everything that went on.
But now, Artest instilled in the guys a new sense of defensive intensity and Adelman has been able to work through all the midseason changes to bring the Kings within a game and a half out of the eighth. Artest seems to be fitting into Adelman's coaching style. Kevin and Francisco have been playing well. Bonzi and SAR are finally off the injured list. Mike's figured out what he's best at on the court to help the team to win. Adelman does work well with this team and he does deserve credit for pulling through with everything that went on.
JJ22L
Starter
Enough with the blame placing: Why waste your time? It's been placed everywhere on this board...Peja, Bibby, Miller, Adelman, Petrie...where the hell is it just going to end. We are 12-6 in the last 18..people complained that we were losing, and now that the season is turning around people are STILL COMPLAINING. The experiment that is Ron Artest has paid off 5-fold. Saying that Adleman completely failed is wrong. On the other hand saying Ron was 90% + of this turn around has to be correct. Intensity coming from a coach who stands off the court, is completely different from a player like Ron who brings it ON the court. A coach can only go so far before a team/teammate HAS to take over. We needed that teammate, and Ron has given us THAT teammate. Adelman was at his limit, the team wasnt responding, End of Story. Now that we are winning, can we stop the complaining and start the celebration of a ressurection that is the Sacramento Kings.
I dont know who brought this adelman thread back up (and im probably no better by posting)..but whats the point? This horse has been kicked for far too long, saying "i told you so" is irrelevant.. give it some rest. While we are at it lets leave other dead dogs lie and focus on the future, the past is written.
Edit: The previous post (reason i got angered) is all i read in this thread since it was brought back up. If the thread was brought back for a different purpose other then: 1.) i told you so 2.) Adelman was never the problem or 3.) any other reason to argue over the "it's Adelmans fault" topic that has been beaten to a pulp, im sorry.
I dont know who brought this adelman thread back up (and im probably no better by posting)..but whats the point? This horse has been kicked for far too long, saying "i told you so" is irrelevant.. give it some rest. While we are at it lets leave other dead dogs lie and focus on the future, the past is written.
Edit: The previous post (reason i got angered) is all i read in this thread since it was brought back up. If the thread was brought back for a different purpose other then: 1.) i told you so 2.) Adelman was never the problem or 3.) any other reason to argue over the "it's Adelmans fault" topic that has been beaten to a pulp, im sorry.
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Haven't you heard? "Players win, coaches lose."BMiller52 said:
loopymitch said:
Oh my god. Talk about tunnel vision.
Did you read my comment? What I and others are saying is that when a coach has the right tools he can do his job properly.
The team at the beginning of the year WASN'T a good fit. It was apparent and painfully obvious to pretty much anyone who saw them that the chemistry was gone, the balance was gone, etc. How can you possibly expect a coach to deal with that?
When a coach has the proper players, however, good things start to happen. This is something we seem to be regaining all of a sudden - much like when the team of 2000 was starting to come together. Rick Adelman hasn't changed how he coaches.
I love how, as Slim pointed out, some people like to give all the blame to the coach and reserve their hero worship for the players.
It's not that simple.
JJ22L
Starter
VF21 said:
Nah its ok.
The feathers were a tad ruffled though, just tired of people placing blame, in what was an impossible situation. I mentioned on your first comment though. A professor can't be effective without willing, participating students. Adelman was coaching to what seemed to be a team with deaf ears at the beginning. As a coach, he cant be with the team all the time. In the locker room, on the court, etc etc. There needed to be a player to be that leading prescence everywhere that a coach couldnt. It wasn't necessarily that anyone deserved blame, its just for the first half of the season the organization/team/anything to do with the kings was trying to push a square peg through a round hole. We were missing pieces, and the pieces we did have we not yet meshing. Now that that is starting to happen, I'm syked. Instead of using that energy to blame, im using that energy to cheer. Our future is once again promising. What was considered a "rebuilding phase" has shown signs of future excellence.
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