I don't get the obsession with Adams with Kings fans. Didn't we just get that player with a little less athletisism, but I higher basketball IQ in Cole? Adams would be a huge mistake. It's going to be tough to block shots when he can't get on the court. Kings can't afford a project right now after striking out two years in a row in the draft.
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Big Cuz 15
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cole is like 6'7 w/o shoes i believe. he is 6'9 in shoes. adams is a solid 7'. looks like he can stroke it from the elbow area also.
we should swing for the fences considering this will probably be the last year we will have a high draft pick. big men don't grow on trees and majority of the time you need to be in a large market or high draft pick. we really whiffed on drummond. dude had elite athleticism, size and blocks shots (something we really need in the front court)
we should swing for the fences considering this will probably be the last year we will have a high draft pick. big men don't grow on trees and majority of the time you need to be in a large market or high draft pick. we really whiffed on drummond. dude had elite athleticism, size and blocks shots (something we really need in the front court)
Padrino
All-Star
indeed. i'm not crazy-high on adams, but it should also be noted that cole aldrich is an unrestricted free agent this offseason. so, if the kings decide to draft adams, they'd undoubtedly let cole walk...
Most rookies cannot play because they suck at D. Late in college season with Noel on the shelf Adams was probably second-best defender in the nation behind Dieng. He will have impact defensively right from the start. All he has to do offensively is set a lot of screens every play, finish plays inside and shoot occasional jumper. He shot .630 from FT line for the last two months of the season, granted it was on a very low sample size, but apparently he continued shooting well during pre-draft process. Because of FT liability Adams wasn't finishing games early in the season, but in conference games he was playing during endings. Only concern might be defensive rebounding if you just look at statistics, but coach asked him to overplay on perimeter; knowing his impact inside opponents drew him to perimeter every chance they got, so he was not anywhere close to rebounding opportunities a lot of times. Btw Adams is much more explosive laterally than Aldrich is.
sidney
Starter
He're a list of players drafted in the last 10 years that are at least 7'0 that can jump 33" or higher:
Yi Jianlian
Noah
Gortat
Shaq
Oden
Tyler Zeller
Bogut
T Chandler
So 8 guys in 10 years. Adams is also in this group. He is raw, but his size and athleticism are in elite company and it goes without saying that the Kings are in desperate need of a defensive anchor. Whether it is a risk worth taking remains to be seen.
Yi Jianlian
Noah
Gortat
Shaq
Oden
Tyler Zeller
Bogut
T Chandler
So 8 guys in 10 years. Adams is also in this group. He is raw, but his size and athleticism are in elite company and it goes without saying that the Kings are in desperate need of a defensive anchor. Whether it is a risk worth taking remains to be seen.
Actually, he measured out at 6'9" without shoes, 6'11.25" (!!) in shoes. His standing reach is two inches better than Steven Adams', and his wingspan is 1/4 inch longer. No joke.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Adams does not know how to box out. He tends to wander about without knowing what to do. He IS a shot blocker, he IS athletic, and he is very strong and enjoys using his strength. One player in the workout called him a bull dog. The big question has to do with his ceiling and what reasonably could be expected after a couple years of good coaching. I would like to know from him, his coach at Pitt, and maybe even someone who knows him from New Zealand what they think the problem is. If it is simply that he has never been taught how to play his position, that's one thing that is correctable. Heck, simply understanding the concept of boxing out would change his defensive rebounding stats a lot. If he doesn't know what he is doing because he doesn't get it, that's a whole different story and I wouldn't want to take the risk.
It seems that people who know him up close and personal say he is intelligent and coachable. If that is true he could be a very good guy to have next to Cousins in a few years. I don't understand the urgency expressed by some as we already have Cuz, JT, PPat, Hayes, and maybe even Aldrich although a pick of Adams would mean that Aldrich is not resigned. It's not like we are void of bigs. In fact, Hayes might be a good mentor. I have mixed feelings about him because I don't know what the end product will be after a few years in the NBA. One thing is for sure and that is he is a genuine 7 footer and you can't teach height. <<< not original to me.
I look at our options at #7 and see a lot of problems with guys who should know better. I hope someone falls to us out of the top 5 or 6 so we don't have to debate McCollum, Adams, and Shabazz as all three could be very important to our team and all three are far from perfect. I'm sure I left someone out that we might want but those are the three that come to mind.
It seems that people who know him up close and personal say he is intelligent and coachable. If that is true he could be a very good guy to have next to Cousins in a few years. I don't understand the urgency expressed by some as we already have Cuz, JT, PPat, Hayes, and maybe even Aldrich although a pick of Adams would mean that Aldrich is not resigned. It's not like we are void of bigs. In fact, Hayes might be a good mentor. I have mixed feelings about him because I don't know what the end product will be after a few years in the NBA. One thing is for sure and that is he is a genuine 7 footer and you can't teach height. <<< not original to me.
I look at our options at #7 and see a lot of problems with guys who should know better. I hope someone falls to us out of the top 5 or 6 so we don't have to debate McCollum, Adams, and Shabazz as all three could be very important to our team and all three are far from perfect. I'm sure I left someone out that we might want but those are the three that come to mind.
sidney
Starter
problem with Cole isn't his size, it's that he's not a leaper. Without being able to jump high he'll never be a big time shotblocker. I still like him as a 4th big type though.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
lol thanks for the correction. i knew it was 2" height improvement with shoes.
Actually he boxes out very well. In fact he's probably overdoing it: you could often see him pressure opponents even when the other guy gave up and Adams should've gone for the ball himself. In his play during the season you can see that he was clearly doing what his coach asked him but it was often 110% of what was needed and hurt his team from time to time, but as the season rolled he was playing more and more naturally on defense, you can really see his improved decision-making from one month to another. Offense is another story, but he was expanding there as well, even though with pretty bad results outside of FTs.Adams does not know how to box out. He tends to wander about without knowing what to do. He IS a shot blocker, he IS athletic, and he is very strong and enjoys using his strength. One player in the workout called him a bull dog. The big question has to do with his ceiling and what reasonably could be expected after a couple years of good coaching. I would like to know from him, his coach at Pitt, and maybe even someone who knows him from New Zealand what they think the problem is. If it is simply that he has never been taught how to play his position, that's one thing that is correctable. Heck, simply understanding the concept of boxing out would change his defensive rebounding stats a lot. If he doesn't know what he is doing because he doesn't get it, that's a whole different story and I wouldn't want to take the risk.
It seems that people who know him up close and personal say he is intelligent and coachable. If that is true he could be a very good guy to have next to Cousins in a few years. I don't understand the urgency expressed by some as we already have Cuz, JT, PPat, Hayes, and maybe even Aldrich although a pick of Adams would mean that Aldrich is not resigned. It's not like we are void of bigs. In fact, Hayes might be a good mentor. I have mixed feelings about him because I don't know what the end product will be after a few years in the NBA. One thing is for sure and that is he is a genuine 7 footer and you can't teach height. <<< not original to me.
I look at our options at #7 and see a lot of problems with guys who should know better. I hope someone falls to us out of the top 5 or 6 so we don't have to debate McCollum, Adams, and Shabazz as all three could be very important to our team and all three are far from perfect. I'm sure I left someone out that we might want but those are the three that come to mind.
There's going to be a reason why somebody is falling and suddenly becomes available, and it usually not a very flattering one. Everybody have question marks this year. That's why Cavs are trying to get rid of #1. And why picking an unknown you haven't taken a close look at might be just as much a mistake as last year.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
hmm...its kind of the one thing that we know he can do. I mean, how much of a leaper is Tim Duncan? If you have great length you don't need to get very far off the ground.
Aldrich is kind of one of those curious guys. He's obviously a modest at best talent, I neither deny that nor have any interest in denying that. But he didn't look lost out there for us, and if I told you that we could get a player who played 36 min a night, and put up these numbers the last two years:
11-12: 11.9pts .524FG% 10.0reb 3.3blk
12-13: 9.3pts .550FG% 11.1reb 2.1blk
that would seem like a pretty interesting player no? Of course he doesn't play 36 min and that is classic per36 stat abuse given his true role. But sometimes when you see guys put up numbers like that, then see them actually play and they are not blazingly incompetent, you wonder what they are doing differently than a Joel Pryzbilla did as a starter.
AaronPDX
Bench
Not big on Adams either, just seems like another big stiff to me, certainly not worthy of the 7th pick IMO, but maybe later in the draft?
Anyway, the long and the short of it? We now have a FO and GM that actually probably KNOW what they're doing and I am confident will make the right choice based on their knowledge. Isn't that a nice feeling for the first time in about a decade?? lol
Anyway, the long and the short of it? We now have a FO and GM that actually probably KNOW what they're doing and I am confident will make the right choice based on their knowledge. Isn't that a nice feeling for the first time in about a decade?? lol
roasthawg
Starter
That's how I feel... I have my opinions obviously but it's nice to trust the fo. The 49ers did this in football for me when they brought in Harbaugh and promoted Baalke... inspired confidence.
beb0p
Starter
It was most likely an error. Aldrich reportedly measured 6'-10" in barefeet and around 6'-11" in shoes in private workouts. His height w/shoes is probably correct but for some reason they messed up measuring his height w/o shoes.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
Whatever about not liking him, but calling him a stiff is a bit outrageous considering how athletic he is at his size. He'll be one of the most athletic 7 footers in the NBA, even if he never develops as people hope (I'm not talking Dwight athletic, but he can jump and run the floor extremely well). Pretty sure you haven't watched him play if you're calling him a stiff - your observation is probably based off something else.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Could you define "stiff" for me? He is a very good athlete with a major league body.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
In the videos I watched, I could see his man slip inside him frequently to get the rebound. If he can box out and I missed it, that's great. If he can't box out, I think that's a teachable skill and it doesn't worry me.
BTW, did anyone see his reaction when a reporter called him European? I think we could have another Scot Pollard and that's a huge plus.
Unless you're looking for highlight reels jumping high isn't that important for defensive purposes. Mobility, length and effortless, though not necessarily high, jumping makes a good defender inside. You have to get in position, so you need mobility to get to places in time, then you must bother the shot or even get to the ball with a combination of length and quick jump as you don't have time to gather himself.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Jason Thompson is supposed to be 6'11". Cole plays like he's 4 inches taller than him. At least Cole can alter some shots.
sidney
Starter
Great, keep Cole. But imagine Cole is an inch taller and can jump 5" higher. That's Adams. Worth it at 7? I don't know but he's a hell of an athlete at that size.
Aldrich is 2 inches longer than Adams, so he doesn't have to jump as high. But many seem to miss the main point for Adams: he's a true PF/C defensively. Skill-wise he's passable only for a center, but Kings already have a guy, who plays like PF, starting. Aldrich is strictly center. Still Cole looked like he belonged passing both eye and advanced stats' tests.
Btw point about Hayes as a designated defender on current roster: while he's among the best one-on-one defenders in the League Chuck is only average at best as a team defender due to lack of mobility, but his main problem is that Hayes is not a role player offensively - can't finish inside, can't shoot from outside. You have to give Chuck the ball and allow to distribute to make him passable, so he basically added to a glut of ball-hungry players even though he's very unselfish.
Btw point about Hayes as a designated defender on current roster: while he's among the best one-on-one defenders in the League Chuck is only average at best as a team defender due to lack of mobility, but his main problem is that Hayes is not a role player offensively - can't finish inside, can't shoot from outside. You have to give Chuck the ball and allow to distribute to make him passable, so he basically added to a glut of ball-hungry players even though he's very unselfish.
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Big Cuz 15
All-Star
just heard that too
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Not fair to compare Aldrich who is 25 years old to Adams who is 19 years old. There's no doubt that Adams is going to be a project on the offensive side of the ball, but he could play right now defensively. Are you aware that of all the top big men, Adams had the best defensive post stats, allowing his man to score only 25% of the time. Thats pretty damm good my friend. But your willing to give up on a player like Adams, who has the potential to be one of the best defensive big men in the NBA, just because your impatient.
People have to quit thinking of the draft as a cure all! In reality, its more of a cheap investment, that could pay dividends down the road. You'll get the occasional Lebron, but even Kobe took three years to become the player we know today. Jordan couldn't hit the broadside of the barn from three point range when he came into the league. Neither could Lebron. Karl Malone was just a big athletic kid with few skills other than being able to run the floor like a deer. He had no shot away from the basket, and was a terrible freethrow shooter.
Now you would probably say that you'd be willing to be patient with those guys, but the problem is, that except for a few, there were no guarantee's on most of them. Adams is the kind of player that you pass on, and 5 or 6 years later, your trying to figure out a way to trade for him.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I will bet money that the reason Adams is moving up in the mock drafts is because people are beginning to understand who he is. He has played basketball 6 years, not a big sport in New Zealand. He now averages out at pick #12 in the mocks and I will bet by draft day as FOs think about it, he will be higher on the lists that count, the teams' lists.
Nighthawk1
Starter
I would agree, and he's one of the only guys that truly intrigues me in this draft. It may be mostly due to being an international player that I haven't studied much of. Is he worth the #7? Likely not but maybe as draft talks heat up he may go into the top 10 in the next 24 hours
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
That's actually a clever point.
roasthawg
Starter
It really is... that's the type of thing Pete D was probably talking about when he said we have good pieces, they just don't fit together well.
Nikolizzle
G-League
That's not entirely true. It's a very popular sport in NZ and Australia (Not as big as the US or Europe, but big all the same), It's just the national competition is pretty low-quality. Their national team is ranked #18 worldwide, though.
It's like say, Soccer in the US. There's a decent amount of support for the teams, and plenty of kids play; but the state/city teams won't match up to the powerhouses in Europe.
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