Aaron Brooks

[Cecil]

The move just doesn't make sense. It would have been much better to just sit on the cap space, and use it during the season if some opportunity came up. Cap space is valuable to help some team get under the tax, and pick some assets, or help other teams make a trade, and again pick up assets.

Nothing against Brooks, but we already had too many undersized guards. While he can legitimately play 1, between him, IT, MT and Jimmer, we shall have a midget backcourt, when we could have had a huge one with Reke and Cisco/Salmons (I personally would've preferred Cisco starting at SG instead of MT, preferring him to come off the bench).

This move not only shall force Reke at 3, it almost certainly means we won't bring back T Will. Between him and Brooks, particularly with our roster, I would have preferred T Will.

It makes complete sense to me. The Kings needed another PG that could back-up Isaiah or start and bring Isaiah off the bench. The team only had about 3 million to spend and got one. Tyreke and Jimmer aren't PGs, they just don't have it. They are SGs.

Last year the moves made no sense to me. This off-season, every move has made sense to me.

There must be something more to T-Will than what we know. Otherwise he wouldn't have been traded by the Nets, released by Houston, and not signed thus far.

 

[kingsfan101]

It makes complete sense to me. The Kings needed another PG that could back-up Isaiah or start and bring Isaiah off the bench. The team only had about 3 million to spend and got one. Tyreke and Jimmer aren't PGs, they just don't have it. They are SGs.

Last year the moves made no sense to me. This off-season, every move has made sense to me.

There must be something more to T-Will than what we know. Otherwise he wouldn't have been traded by the Nets, released by Houston, and not signed thus far.

Forget T Will. But by the same logic, why is Brooks so less in demand?

The issue, as I see it, is different. We have too many small guards demanding playing time. Even if we exclude Jimmer, we have three small guards (IT, MT and Brooks), that need playing time. Even without adding Brooks, there was an issue of finding minutes for these guys and Reke. I personally, don't like that. It makes us too small, and takes away the ball from Reke's hands.

People have genuine concerns about Reke's play making abilities, but in my opinion, he is wasted at 3. I think he is much better used at 1, particularly for us, since we are starting a smallish guard at SG.

 

[Kingster]

Another thought. Salmons' only value last year was as a backup point. If he's no longer needed there, then he's a completely useless 7M contract.

Maybe they move him to the two after they trade Thornton.

 

[mac]

It makes complete sense to me. The Kings needed another PG that could back-up Isaiah or start and bring Isaiah off the bench. The team only had about 3 million to spend and got one. Tyreke and Jimmer aren't PGs, they just don't have it. They are SGs.

Last year the moves made no sense to me. This off-season, every move has made sense to me.

There must be something more to T-Will than what we know. Otherwise he wouldn't have been traded by the Nets, released by Houston, and not signed thus far.

Assuming we don't move Thornton and we ignore Jimmer, how are you going to split the 96 minutes among 4 players that have to be strictly played in position (since Brooks/IT are not SGs, and Tyreke/Thornton are not PGs)? By moving Tyreke to SF and playing with Brooks/Thornton/Evans or IT/Thornton/Evans? Last I checked that didn't work out so well. And again, this is with us giving 0 regular minutes to Mr Fredette.

There just has to be a trade or I will be very very mad with Geoff. Now we just have to see what we manage to get for Thornton. I'm pretty sure that it's Thornton who's going to be traded, because if we trade Evans and our backcourt rotation consists of IT/Brooks/Thornton/Fredette we are gonna be giving up 130 points a game at the pace we play.

 

[mac]

Maybe they move him to the two after they trade Thornton.

Now that Twill isn't coming back (Geoff said so himself, barring a trade that clears space at his position) the only way for Jimmer to get productive minutes is if he's playing with Tyreke. Now, switching things around and having Salmons take over the Twill role and playing him with Jimmer may just work, but you'd need to convince Salmons to pass Jimmer the ball first.

 

[ParniValjak]

I would not be surprised if we wanted to solidify our PG position and depth further and sign Earl Boykins. He did play well against us for Houston this year which is another pre-requisite for being signed by the Kings. Its known as the Tony Delk syndrome.

 

[Prince_XY]

I would not be surprised if we wanted to solidify our PG position and depth further and sign Earl Boykins. He did play well against us for Houston this year which is another pre-requisite for being signed by the Kings. Its known as the Tony Delk syndrome.

lol

Nice one.

 

[mac]

I would not be surprised if we wanted to solidify our PG position and depth further and sign Earl Boykins. He did play well against us for Houston this year which is another pre-requisite for being signed by the Kings. Its known as the Tony Delk syndrome.

Like Smart and Westphal both said, we want to get players that can play multiple positions! Boykins, Thomas and Brooks can play anywhere from 1-3 on both ends. Another good pickup would be Nate Robinson, but I don't see the FO giving up on Jimmer just yet

 

[WALTtheWIZ]

I would not be surprised if we wanted to solidify our PG position and depth further and sign Earl Boykins. He did play well against us for Houston this year which is another pre-requisite for being signed by the Kings. Its known as the Tony Delk syndrome.

Not sure what you mean by the "Tony Delk syndrome." I am assuming you are referring to the 50 point game he had at Arco as a member of the suns...the year after we let him walk to go after bjax instead

Letting delk go was actually fairly unpopular at the time since jackson was struggling in MIN after a good rookie season with the nuggets. After he dropped 50 on us, it didn't exactly help the notion that we should have kept him.

Obviously, we ended up with the far better player...but "tony delk syndrome" is not what you speak of in my recollection of things.

 

[Glenn]

I would not be surprised if we wanted to solidify our PG position and depth further and sign Earl Boykins. He did play well against us for Houston this year which is another pre-requisite for being signed by the Kings. Its known as the Tony Delk syndrome.

Oh Lord, save this man.

 

[Kingster]

Now that Twill isn't coming back (Geoff said so himself, barring a trade that clears space at his position) the only way for Jimmer to get productive minutes is if he's playing with Tyreke. Now, switching things around and having Salmons take over the Twill role and playing him with Jimmer may just work, but you'd need to convince Salmons to pass Jimmer the ball first.

The Kings experimented with Jimmer last year and in the summer league at the pg and came to the conclusion that they needed Brooks. It looks to me like Jimmer is the last on the bench in both the pg and sg positions. At least with the current lineup. Personally, I'm anticpating a trade or two to follow. Even the casual observer can see that there are imbalances. Whereas I'm pretty convinced that Jimmer has fallen out of favor, I don't have a handle on what the Kings might think with Salmons. Do they think last year was an aberration, or are they going to roll the dice with him again?

 

[mac]

The Kings experimented with Jimmer last year and in the summer league at the pg and came to the conclusion that they needed Brooks. It looks to me like Jimmer is the last on the bench in both the pg and sg positions. At least with the current lineup. Personally, I'm anticpating a trade or two to follow. Even the casual observer can see that there are imbalances. Whereas I'm pretty convinced that Jimmer has fallen out of favor, I don't have a handle on what the Kings might think with Salmons. Do they think last year was an aberration, or are they going to roll the dice with him again?

Well I'd advocate trying an Evans/Jimmer back court, but that would entail Evans playing PG or at least having primary playmaking duties, but I know you are against that so let's not bother discussing that.

I don't think any team would be willing to take Salmons back in a trade that gets us anyone useful, unless the main trade piece is Thornton. I would assume we'd be trading Thornton for a good SF or some sort of package of a backup big + decent SF. So again, I'm not sure why the other team would take back Salmons if they have no need for the 3 they're giving us.

My guess is that post trade we're going to have Salmons be a backup guard/SF playing fairly minor minutes, and a SF rotation of Player X, Outlaw and Johnson.

 

[Sac.Kings]

Petrie's take it on it all.. I didn't see it posted anywhere, although I have seen some of you make references to the things he said. Regardless, for those who have not seen it here it is!

 

[Glenn]

The Kings experimented with Jimmer last year and in the summer league at the pg and came to the conclusion that they needed Brooks. It looks to me like Jimmer is the last on the bench in both the pg and sg positions. At least with the current lineup. Personally, I'm anticpating a trade or two to follow. Even the casual observer can see that there are imbalances. Whereas I'm pretty convinced that Jimmer has fallen out of favor, I don't have a handle on what the Kings might think with Salmons. Do they think last year was an aberration, or are they going to roll the dice with him again?

I think that not only does the FO think Salmons' last year was an aberration but it actually was. Salmons says he can't play well without the ball in his hands and I believe our experience with him is that this is true. Therefore, I see him as an important part off the bench playing at the guard position, call that position what you wish. That may jam things up at the guard position even more but it does not leave us as vulnerable with three short guards. It also uses Salmons in the only we he can be used.

I agree with mac for the most part. I wouldn't be surprised or as dismayed as most if Salmons was tried as a starting guard with Tyreke.

As to Petrie's interview, it sounds like we are not done with moves and the next move might be to trade for another big. Petrie seems a little less guarded than usual and a whole lot more relaxed. I suspect the credit card has more room on it.

 

[Entity]

Talk about stellar perimeter defense. Evans salmons and Johnson

 

[Mal]

Pre-draft measurements with and without shoes...Brooks showed exactly three-quarters of one inch taller than Thomas. Further Brooks was 161 pounds and Thomas 186.

"Little Isaiah Thomas, the Washington Huskies point guard who came in measuring under 5-foot-11 with shoes on, showed off a great running vertical of 38.5 inches, tying with the aforementioned Thomas to lead in that category. Thomas also led the Combine with a 12-foot vertical reach (he can reach 12 feet into the air when he jumps, for those confused)." Draft Express.

Thomas was reported at exactly 5'11 with shoes and Brooks at 5'11.75" with shoes.

 

[Kingster]

Petrie's take it on it all.. I didn't see it posted anywhere, although I have seen some of you make references to the things he said. Regardless, for those who have not seen it here it is!

Interesting that he said Johnson was a "great" defender. That seems to up for some dispute, from other comments on the board. It will be interesting to see who is right.

 

[Bricklayer]

Interesting that he said Johnson was a "great" defender. That seems to up for some dispute, from other comments on the board. It will be interesting to see who is right.

All things are relative -- on this Kings team, JJ is a GREAT defender.

remember last year this was a GM who brought in Salmosn and Hayes as great defenders. Don't take it too seriously.

 

[rainmaker]

Pre-draft measurements with and without shoes...Brooks showed exactly three-quarters of one inch taller than Thomas. Further Brooks was 161 pounds and Thomas 186.

"Little Isaiah Thomas, the Washington Huskies point guard who came in measuring under 5-foot-11 with shoes on, showed off a great running vertical of 38.5 inches, tying with the aforementioned Thomas to lead in that category. Thomas also led the Combine with a 12-foot vertical reach (he can reach 12 feet into the air when he jumps, for those confused)." Draft Express.

Thomas was reported at exactly 5'11 with shoes and Brooks at 5'11.75" with shoes.

We should just add Nate Robinson and we'll have the perfect backcourt on Petrie's mind.

Good teams DO NOT have multiple backcourt players under 6'. Most good teams don't have one.

 

[Kingster]

I think that not only does the FO think Salmons' last year was an aberration but it actually was. Salmons says he can't play well without the ball in his hands and I believe our experience with him is that this is true. Therefore, I see him as an important part off the bench playing at the guard position, call that position what you wish. That may jam things up at the guard position even more but it does not leave us as vulnerable with three short guards. It also uses Salmons in the only we he can be used.

I agree with mac for the most part. I wouldn't be surprised or as dismayed as most if Salmons was tried as a starting guard with Tyreke.

As to Petrie's interview, it sounds like we are not done with moves and the next move might be to trade for another big. Petrie seems a little less guarded than usual and a whole lot more relaxed. I suspect the credit card has more room on it.

I would be surprised. First, because they just got another smaller point guard in Brooks; I doubt they got him to have both IT and him sit on the bench together. Second, because once you have Tyreke and Salmons in the backcourt you have three smaller players coming off the bench; it makes it problematic when you make substitutions because you end up more than likely playing two smalls at the same time. Third, I don't think it will work; two dribble dribble guys like Tyreke and Salmons would slow the offense down and I don't think they'd play very well together. Fourth, if they played Tyreke last year at the three because they thought IT was better, I doubt they revisit that experiment again. The only reason imo Tyreke would go back to the 1 is if he transformed himself over the offseason into a much better outside shooter in addition to his dribble drive game.

 

[Mal]

Cousins isn't even the best player on the team. Very good rebounder....very very below average shooter for his position.

 

[Agent23]

Cousins isn't even the best player on the team. Very good rebounder....very very below average shooter for his position.

Isaiah Thomas is the best player on the Kings.

 

[Bricklayer]

Isaiah Thomas is the best player on the Kings.

I mean obviously.

 

[steelevt]

Cousins isn't even the best player on the team. Very good rebounder....very very below average shooter for his position.

hmm

 

[Bricklayer]

Cousins isn't even the best player on the team. Very good rebounder....very very below average shooter for his position.

Don't let abrasive player homer turn into ignorant troll.

 

[KingsCitizen]

All things are relative -- on this Kings team, JJ is a GREAT defender.

remember last year this was a GM who brought in Salmosn and Hayes as great defenders. Don't take it too seriously.

In all fairness, we had quite a lot games last season when Hayes shut down all star bigs. Hayes will never be able to block shots but knows how to put a big man out of his comfort zone.

What we lack is consistent defensive system/rotation. We easily get lost in switches, especially our guards and we don't rotate properly when players doubles someone. This sort of things are learned at training camps under great defensive coaches and months of familiarity with the system.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Cousins isn't even the best player on the team. Very good rebounder....very very below average shooter for his position.

what? hes got a great mid range jumper. better than most centers.

 

[Bricklayer]

what? hes got a great mid range jumper. better than most centers.

You don't understand what you are dealing with, trust me.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

is Mal a dummy?

 

[Bricklayer]

is Mal a dummy?

Mal is a fanatical IT supporter. What we refer to as a player fan. There is no post he makes that doesn't aggrandize his guy, or tear somebody else on the team down in order to aggrandize his guy.