Aaron Brooks

Another thought. Salmons' only value last year was as a backup point. If he's no longer needed there, then he's a completely useless 7M contract.
 
so if Jimmer is gonna ride the bench longer and our pickups not being able to shoot threes I guess we dont plan on making any 3 point shots this year
 
our team is like a puzzle and geoff & the maloofs are just jamming pieces that dont fit together.. I hope theres more trades to fix our backcourt cuz I dont get this move right now.. We are going be the worst defensive team in the league...
 
Entity said:
whats the problem we got 2 PG's we Got 2 SG's.
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I Agree!!! It or Brooks can start

IT should have starting job - his to loose based on last year
And if Brooks is 3 in taller then maybe better matched up with MT anyway for defense
but if Brooks a better 3 pt PG then maybe better as a starter for Reke to kick out to

Reke needs to be our SG to keep our no 2 guy happy, MT great off the bench

Plus if any of the 4 has injury we still have a 3 man guard rotation or could use Salmons or Jimmer depending on who is injured
 
i would rather bring Beno back than signing AB

more creativity?? yup, i never though Kings sign AB ever....

no defense, no passing, nothing Kings need.
 
You guys crack me up.

The Kings got a vet PG entering his prime (27), resigned J.T. and drafted Thomas Robinson - should be a quality PF rotation, and gave up a 2nd round pick for a player that can block some shots, play some D, and put up 10 points.

Then they got rid of Whiteside and Donte Green. Two players who should be good ... but they aren't. Their basketball IQs are too low to be players in this league.

Some people didn't like them selling the 2nd rounder. I don't care, because this team needs NBA ready players .. no more projects.

So far so good.

Starting to do things right in my mind, after some crappy off-seasons these past few years.
 
We have to make a trade, but considering Petrie loves to collect mediocre offense talent I doubt it. If we do go into the season as is, then Petrie is truly one of the worse of general managers and please don't blame the Maloofs for this. Petrie has wasted 10+ million of cap space on deep bench players and pieces that don't fit.
 
We are not worse off this year than we were last year, so I'm not sure why everyone is upset. Brooks is an upgrade over Jimmer in the pg department, no matter how you measure it. We didn't get worse at SF. Kings didn't all of a sudden go on a 10 game win streak once we got Terrence Williams, so he wasn't going to save us. So what are we stressing over? A few pieces got move around. Kings don't have the pieces to land a really good player in a trade without giving up one of our top talents. It would be a net zero transaction. We won't land a top notch free agent in a small market with a losing team and an uncertain ownership situation. Not trying to be negative. Just realistic. We have to build through the draft and try to find the right role players to fit in with them.

Drafting Jimmer, signing Hayes, even trading for Salmons were all attempts to fill those roles. Hasn't worked out, but the direction is clear.
 
Cecil said:
You guys crack me up.

The Kings got a vet PG entering his prime (27), resigned J.T. and drafted Thomas Robinson - should be a quality PF rotation, and gave up a 2nd round pick for a player that can block some shots, play some D, and put up 10 points.

Then they got rid of Whiteside and Donte Green. Two players who should be good ... but they aren't. Their basketball IQs are too low to be players in this league.

Some people didn't like them selling the 2nd rounder. I don't care, because this team needs NBA ready players .. no more projects.

So far so good.

Starting to do things right in my mind, after some crappy off-seasons these past few years.
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Gotta tend to agree. Maybe I finally found my purple-colored glasses again, but I think this off-season so far has been much more productive than the recent pass. :)
 
Ugh.. Not really happy about the moves unless something is going to happen trade wise. We don't need another short PG.
 
VF21 said:
Gotta tend to agree. Maybe I finally found my purple-colored glasses again, but I think this off-season so far has been much more productive than the recent pass. :)
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If being a treading water team and spending money just for the case of spending money is productive, then you're 100% correct!
 
Wow, there will be alot of unhappy players fighting for min this coming season.
With Garcia, Brooks, Evans, JJ, Honeycutt and IT all on contract year they will be very upset not getting enough play time.
 
Bricklayer said:
One of the major probelms the last few years has been Petrie's apparent inability to distinguish between those two skills. It sunk Jimmer, Salmons, Outlaw, now again we go after more guys who shoot threes....off their own dribble! Its not the smae skilleGeoff. Spotting up is very useful and helps the rest of the team. Chucking off your dribble is a playground skill that helps nobody but yourself.
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Please don't say that on Petrie. I am pretty sure a lot of the fans think Petrie has some good reason for taking in another ball dominant midget. He is the best GM around for the Kings.

Actually, our roster has been pretty balanced for several years now. And if ever we're not winning with the kind of roster we have had, it is all the Maloof's fault for tying Petrie's hands!

Petrie is a genius!
 
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Prince_XY said:
Please don't say that on Petrie. I am pretty sure a lot of the fans think Petrie has some good reason for taking in another ball dominant midget. He is the best GM around for the Kings.

Actually, our roster has been pretty balanced for several years now. And if ever we're not winning with the kind of roster we have had, it is all the Maloof's fault for tying Petrie's hands!

Petrie is a genius!
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Damn, I wish we had green font on here, would make it alot easier to figure things out sometimes...haha
 
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My comment was referring to Reke and Thornton at the SG. That does not work. The onyl way it works is to have Reke swing to a different positoon to make room for Thornton when he comes in, because Thornton is strictly a one position player. With Brooks' addition, and with Brooks and IT not being able to play together either due to size, the ONLY way Reke can swing to make room for Thornton's minutes is back up to SF. Which is just an ugh as we saw last year.
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Yah I don't want to see that again this year, but I am sure we will in order to get MT minutes at SG.

I wouldn't mind playing Reke at SF in stretched in order to get both Evans and MT 30+ minutes but I want about 25 of those minutes at SG when it comes to Reke. Hell I wouldn't mind a stretch of about 5-6 minutes at PG either.

So here is a Reke breakdown

29 mins SG
6 mins PG
5 mins SF

There is your 40 mins right there. If he's used in that capacity I wouldn't mind at all.

I got a feeling though that Evans will play more minutes at SF then we want him to in order to get MT his 35 mins.

As for Brooks, and IT there really isn't that many minutes (if any at all) at SG so they are stuck splitting about 25 mins each. Unless for those 6 minutes Evans is at PG Brooks is moved to SG.

I am not looking forward to seeing how the minutes are managed. I foresee midget lineups and players out of position.
 
I don’t like how they spent their money – waiting several years to clear cap – before spending 37 million on Salmons, Thornton, Thompson, Hayes, Outlaw, Brooks and Johnson in 13 months. I don’t hate the Thornton and Thompson contracts and you can defend several of the deals, but I think most GMs get more bang for 37 million.

But they’ve got a decent rotation of big men and a good point guard platoon.

The problem is that 2 out of the 3 best players on the Kings are shooting guards. Between Brooks and Thomas, the Kings would have the shooting necessary to play Evans a shooting guard assuming they spent their cap space to find a quality starting small forward over one of the past three off seasons.

But they didn’t, and Thornton is smaller than Evans. It’s a massive structural problem, and the team is now capped out. The options are either to force Evans back over to small forward for long stretches of the game. Or cut Thornton’s minutes to instead play a below replacement level small forward.

On their own, I like bringing JT back. I like Brooks, even if he’s another guy that wants to call his own number a lot. I’m just floored that a team would look at the design flaw in the team and spend their last 9 million of cap to cement the issue.
 
Larry David said:
I don’t like how they spent their money – waiting several years to clear cap – before spending 37 million on Salmons, Thornton, Thompson, Hayes, Outlaw, Brooks and Johnson in 13 months. I don’t hate the Thornton and Thompson contracts and you can defend several of the deals, but I think most GMs get more bang for 37 million.

But they’ve got a decent rotation of big men and a good point guard platoon.

The problem is that 2 out of the 3 best players on the Kings are shooting guards. Between Brooks and Thomas, the Kings would have the shooting necessary to play Evans a shooting guard assuming they spent their cap space to find a quality starting small forward over one of the past three off seasons.

But they didn’t, and Thornton is smaller than Evans. It’s a massive structural problem, and the team is now capped out. The options are either to force Evans back over to small forward for long stretches of the game. Or cut Thornton’s minutes to instead play a below replacement level small forward.

On their own, I like bringing JT back. I like Brooks, even if he’s another guy that wants to call his own number a lot. I’m just floored that a team would look at the design flaw in the team and spend their last 9 million of cap to cement the issue.
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That's why a 2 for 1 move for an overpaid SF makes too much sense. Thornton + a contract, preferably Salmons or Hayes, but probably Garcis's expiring.

Ideally for a core you want 3 guards (IT/Brooks/Reke), a swingman (???), a combo forward (JJ) and 3 bigs (JT/Cuz/Trob). Then fill out the roster with another one of each (Jimmer/Salmons/Outlaw/Hayes) and a project (Honeycutt).
 
Larry David said:
I don’t like how they spent their money – waiting several years to clear cap – before spending 37 million on Salmons, Thornton, Thompson, Hayes, Outlaw, Brooks and Johnson in 13 months. I don’t hate the Thornton and Thompson contracts and you can defend several of the deals, but I think most GMs get more bang for 37 million.

But they’ve got a decent rotation of big men and a good point guard platoon.

The problem is that 2 out of the 3 best players on the Kings are shooting guards. Between Brooks and Thomas, the Kings would have the shooting necessary to play Evans a shooting guard assuming they spent their cap space to find a quality starting small forward over one of the past three off seasons.

But they didn’t, and Thornton is smaller than Evans. It’s a massive structural problem, and the team is now capped out. The options are either to force Evans back over to small forward for long stretches of the game. Or cut Thornton’s minutes to instead play a below replacement level small forward.

On their own, I like bringing JT back. I like Brooks, even if he’s another guy that wants to call his own number a lot. I’m just floored that a team would look at the design flaw in the team and spend their last 9 million of cap to cement the issue.
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Quite sad. Quite pathetic, if this was the master plan.

On second thought, all is well in Kings land. It's like Geoff is a meta of himself at this point. Grabbign a guy he's publicly pined for for the past 3 years, a guy who basically embodies all that is wrong with what Petrie covets; on ball effective, undersized, no defense. He'll never learn. If the Maloofs were any smarter than him they would have fired him a while ago, or at least demoetd him to a scout. But there's not a lot of guys who will work for peanuts, so as Maloofs stay, so does Geoff. So do the $2 mil coaches.
 
rhythmless said:
Quite sad. Quite pathetic, if this was the master plan.

On second thought, all is well in Kings land. It's like Geoff is a meta of himself at this point. Grabbign a guy he's publicly pined for for the past 3 years, a guy who basically embodies all that is wrong with what Petrie covets; on ball effective, undersized, no defense. He'll never learn. If the Maloofs were any smarter than him they would have fired him a while ago, or at least demoetd him to a scout. But there's not a lot of guys who will work for peanuts, so as Maloofs stay, so does Geoff. So do the $2 mil coaches.
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Petrie and the Maloofs have a nice shell game going. When the moves go bad, Petrie can hide behind the Maloofs' shallow pockets. In turn, the Maloofs can hide behind a combo of a lot of bad recent moves by Petrie, his past good moves, the loyalty in this town, and the fear over who the Maloofs might fire next.

If you took away one of the shells, fans would just blast the person left standing.

Just like a proper shell game, in the end, the sucker always loses.

Petrie is heading into a contract year. Whether the Maloofs want to bring fans back here or are headed out of town, they want this team to be better now. The team sold you long term vision for 4 years, and now they chase the 8th seed with a messy roster.
 
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Didn't see this video posted anywhere so I thought I would share... Fair warning: Smart is talking about a 10-12 man regular rotation.

 
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The good news is that he implies that Aaron Brooks will be coming off the bench. The bad news is that it's probably because Aaron Brooks isn't short enough to be his ideal starting PG.
 
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