A proposal for Josh Smith

[rainmaker]

Maybe ATL would be interested. Maybe not. But Josh Smith is on the trade block, and ATL is 12M over the cap and looking for cap space, although not strict salary dumps.

Atl sends Josh Smith

Sac sends Thornton + JT

We get a 26 yr old stretch pf, who's a decent shooter(needs to stop jacking 3's), but excels on the defensive and and blocking shots. Under contract for next season as well.

Atl gets a young scorer in MT, who could replace Crawford who they loves, and lost to Por, and get JT to fill in a pf until deciding to keep him or not. If they let him walk, they obviously keep MT, but 5M comes off the cap since they would owe Smith 13M next season.

Still leaves us money to get a FA sf, and use our pick.

Don't know if I'd do it. I'd consider it. Just brainstorming during the crazy season. I do think Smith would pair pretty well with Cuz, and wouldn't be jacking up too many jumpers since he won't be a focal point. But defensively and on the glass that could work very well, and given Smart likes smaller players and small lineups, he might actually play Smith/Cuz together.

 

[KevinSalvadori]

I would do this 1,000 times over. Come on, really? JT is good- but he's not Smith.

 

[cuad]

turrible trade. bigs get smaller, the team loses its best scorer. Tyreke can't score I'm telling you.

 

[Spike]

I think it leaves us thin on scoring, as Marcus can get us buckets in bunches, but admittedly, I don't know Josh Smith's game that well. Obviously he'll get starter's minutes, but with what's been going on recently in Sac, that's not necessarily a given. I'm not a fan of us getting smaller, especially with the abuse that went on last night, but it certainly gives a bonafide starter at the 4. Is there a way to work it and keep JT here? That would solidify the front court a little more.

 

[Spike]

turrible trade. bigs get smaller, the team loses its best scorer. Tyreke can't score I'm telling you.

Congrats on bringing Evans into this one! :\

 

[rainmaker]

I think it leaves us thin on scoring, as Marcus can get us buckets in bunches, but admittedly, I don't know Josh Smith's game that well. Obviously he'll get starter's minutes, but with what's been going on recently in Sac, that's not necessarily a given. I'm not a fan of us getting smaller, especially with the abuse that went on last night, but it certainly gives a bonafide starter at the 4. Is there a way to work it and keep JT here? That would solidify the front court a little more.

Not sure how we really get smaller. Obviously this would be for more than the final 30 or so games this year. My thinking is Cousins is at the 5 obviously, and Smith at the 4. Smith is only 6'9", but he plays larger on defense and on the boards. He'd also do a better job guarding the Dirk's. Amare's, and Griffin's of the world. I mean, if people are only focusing on his height then why is he a better shot blocker than either Cuz or JT who are a couple inches taller? He's an athletic shotblocker we can put next to Cuz, who's also quick enough to guard just about every 4. Completely different than a Hayes who's 6'6", but can't jump.

Then, we use the draft for a SF or acquire one through FA. Reke moves to the 2, with IT at point.

Not sure how
IT
Reke
Donte(future SF thru draft FA)
Smith
Cousins
makes us smaller than
IT
MT
Reke
JT
Cuz

 

[Bricklayer]

Not sure how we really get smaller. Obviously this would be for more than the final 30 or so games this year. My thinking is Cousins is at the 5 obviously, and Smith at the 4. Smith is only 6'9", but he plays larger on defense and on the boards. He'd also do a better job guarding the Dirk's. Amare's, and Griffin's of the world. I mean, if people are only focusing on his height then why is he a better shot blocker than either Cuz or JT who are a couple inches taller? He's an athletic shotblocker we can put next to Cuz, who's also quick enough to guard just about every 4. Completely different than a Hayes who's 6'6", but can't jump.

Then, we use the draft for a SF or acquire one through FA. Reke moves to the 2, with IT at point.

Not sure how
IT
Reke
Donte(future SF thru draft FA)
Smith
Cousins
makes us smaller than
IT
MT
Reke
JT
Cuz

Smith's a blown up SF. We could do it. But yea, we get smaller still and possibly head down the Orlando way to screw up having Dwight Howard and lose him path.

Mixed feelings about he potential. On the one hand Josh Smith is horribly overrated and the appropriate pairing for a great center is a tough physical thug, not a fancy pants blown up SF. On he other hand since Cousins is not a shotblocker, his greatness begins to resemble more that of Brad Daugherty, and Brad Daugherty's running mate was precisely a fancy pants tweener jumping jack who could block the shots that he could not (Nance). Of course Nance was bigger than Smith at a legit 6'10", but there is a theory there.

Your continual desire to unload or bench Thornton though is dubious. He's our most explosive scorer and fiercely competiive.

 

[Tetsujin]

Maybe ATL would be interested. Maybe not. But Josh Smith is on the trade block, and ATL is 12M over the cap and looking for cap space, although not strict salary dumps.

Atl sends Josh Smith

Sac sends Thornton + JT

We get a 26 yr old stretch pf, who's a decent shooter(needs to stop jacking 3's), but excels on the defensive and and blocking shots. Under contract for next season as well.

Atl gets a young scorer in MT, who could replace Crawford who they loves, and lost to Por, and get JT to fill in a pf until deciding to keep him or not. If they let him walk, they obviously keep MT, but 5M comes off the cap since they would owe Smith 13M next season.

Still leaves us money to get a FA sf, and use our pick.

Don't know if I'd do it. I'd consider it. Just brainstorming during the crazy season. I do think Smith would pair pretty well with Cuz, and wouldn't be jacking up too many jumpers since he won't be a focal point. But defensively and on the glass that could work very well, and given Smart likes smaller players and small lineups, he might actually play Smith/Cuz together.

I would do this is we could ship JJ instead of JT. That way, we could (if Smart actually did some thinking) wind up with a line-up of
Cuz
JT
Smith
Reke
IT

It leaves us a little thin on the bench but with a s olid, fullsized (except IT) line-up that would do work defensively and probably lead the league in hustle plays.

 

[rainmaker]

Smith's a blown up SF. We could do it. But yea, we get smaller still and possibly head down the Orlando way to screw up having Dwight Howard and lose him path.

Mixed feelings aobut he potential. Ont he one hand Josh SMith is horribly overrated and the appropriate pairing for a great center is a tough physical thug, not a fancy pants blown up SF. Ont he other hand since COusins is not a shotblocker, his greatness begins to resemble more that of Brad Daugherty, and Brad Daugherty's running mate was precisely a fancy pants tweener jumping jack who could block the shots that he could not (Nance_. of course Nance was bigger than Smith at a legit 6'10", but tehre is a theory there.

Your continual desire to unload or bench Thronton though is dubious. He's our most explosive scorer and fiercely competiive.

I'm not even sure I would do this. I'm just looking at the landscape of guys we know might be on the trade block, and seeing what my help or might not. This idea for me is interesting enough to consider it. Again though, not sure I'd do it.

As for MT, I don't have a desire to unload home. But I do look at it this way. We're probably going to pull a trade before the deadline or this summer. There are three guys on this team who could fetch something helpful in return, and out of Reke/Cuz/MT I'd ship off MT long before considering the other two, unless some no brainer comes along. Also, given what IT has done it changes things. I HATE Reke at SF.

Are you saying you'd rather Reke play SF so MT doesn't go to the bench? IMO, as soon as IT started playing well at point and Reke went to SF, either Reke or MT has to go out of the starting 5. MT's the odd man out. No way Reke comes off the bench imo. Would I mind Reke/MT with IT as 6th? Not at all. If coach goes back to it I'd be fine with it. But I don't think our coach sees it that way. Have to make a decision. Do you prefer the three guard lineup to MT at 6th? I'm not sure MT would like coming off the bench, and think he might be more valuable in a trade.

If you personally don't want MT going to the bench, and won't consider trading him, then are you happy with Reke at SF? Something has to give. And how else would you suggest we get something of value in a trade? Sure we can absorb salary, maybe trade our pick on draft day, or cross our fingers this summer in the FA market. But I don't see how IT starts(which it seems the organization is fully behind, my opinion aside), MT start, and Reke starts, unless you favor small ball. If, and its still an if, but if IT is who our coach, FO and owners want at point, then how is MT not expendable with this Reke a SF crap?

 

[Anthony1]

Marcus Thornton, DeMarcus and Isaiah are the 3 guys that should not be traded under any circumstances. Tyreke should only be traded for a top 25 NBA Player 27 years old or under. Chuckwagon really shouldn't be going anywhere. I think he will end up being a very solid piece to the puzzle.


Everybody else is totally up for grabs.

 

[Spike]

Buy low, sell high. IT is available in my book. No disrespect to how he's done, but if the last pick in the draft can net us value, then I'd go for it, especially if it nets a quality SF.

 

[JJ22L]

Buy low, sell high. IT is available in my book. No disrespect to how he's done, but if the last pick in the draft can net us value, then I'd go for it, especially if it nets a quality SF.

Oooooo. Now this is an interesting proposal that I never really considered.

The question is, what kind of SF could we get for him? Obviously we would need to package him with another prospect to bring back anything even remotely close to talented at the SF position.

Then again, this could be one of those trades that comes back to bite you in the butt and IT turns out to be the next coming of the Little General.

 

[The_Jamal]

Smith's a blown up SF. We could do it. But yea, we get smaller still and possibly head down the Orlando way to screw up having Dwight Howard and lose him path.

Mixed feelings about he potential. On the one hand Josh Smith is horribly overrated and the appropriate pairing for a great center is a tough physical thug, not a fancy pants blown up SF. On he other hand since Cousins is not a shotblocker, his greatness begins to resemble more that of Brad Daugherty, and Brad Daugherty's running mate was precisely a fancy pants tweener jumping jack who could block the shots that he could not (Nance). Of course Nance was bigger than Smith at a legit 6'10", but there is a theory there.

Your continual desire to unload or bench Thornton though is dubious. He's our most explosive scorer and fiercely competiive.

You're really obsessed with size arent you? Smith has proven yeaar after year that he can play the PF position at a high level; especially on the defensive end

 

[Kings Faithful]

You're really obsessed with size arent you? Smith has proven yeaar after year that he can play the PF position at a high level; especially on the defensive end

yes, but playing him their doesnt take advantage of his strengths. ... i think we are much better off playing him as a SF where his height and rebounding abilities actually become unique. If we did that though we would have no perimeter shooting especially if Tyreke is on the floor and we have no MT....

 

[cuad]

not just perimeter shooting. any kind of midrange game goes away too.

 

[Amory]

Marcus Thornton, DeMarcus and Isaiah are the 3 guys that should not be traded under any circumstances. Tyreke should only be traded for a top 25 NBA Player 27 years old or under. Chuckwagon really shouldn't be going anywhere. I think he will end up being a very solid piece to the puzzle.


Everybody else is totally up for grabs.

We are 12 and 24. Everyone is up for grabs. MT and IT especially.

If we could get better then what they are worth then we should do it.

 

[ParniValjak]

Marcus Thornton, DeMarcus and Isaiah are the 3 guys that should not be traded under any circumstances. Tyreke should only be traded for a top 25 NBA Player 27 years old or under. Chuckwagon really shouldn't be going anywhere. I think he will end up being a very solid piece to the puzzle.


Everybody else is totally up for grabs.

Now you are just being silly! DMC is the guy you just don't trade under any circumstance. Tyreke is borderline but you would have to get a deal where we are flat out winners to pull it off. Thornton you are reluctant to move but he is tradeble for a player of equal talent and quality playing different position (lets say SF) and Isaiah is very much tradable. He is no doubt a fan favourite and for a reason too but he is FAR FAR away from being in the "not to be traded under any circumstances).

Lets look at it this way, on our roster how many players do we have that have the perennial all-star potential (yes its a dirty word but thats wall we should be going on at this stage). I would say definitely 1 in DMC, likely in Tyreke and borderline with Thornton.

Bottom line, to be contender, you need multiple perennial all-stars on your team and going on potential of the players on our team, we have 2, maybe 3, the rest are role players.

Personally, I would trade Thornton for Batum without blinking. This would give us size, better balance in the line up, better balance offensively and we get better defensively. I would be staggered if Portland do that deal but I would and we would be better for it.

I love Thornton, but he is far from someone you don't trade under no circumstances

 

[Sac.1989]

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/03/report-josh-smith-tells-hawks-he-wants-trade/

Report: Josh Smith Tells Hawks He Wants Trade

Just like his close friend Dwight Howard, Josh Smith wants a new team. According to Michael Cunningham of the AJC, one of the reasons Josh Smith wants out is because Hawks didn’t promote his All-Star candidacy enough.

Here’s more of Cunningham’s report:

Even as Josh Smith is having a strong season for the Hawks he has let the team know he wants to be traded as the March 15 deadline approaches, according to people with knowledge of Smith’s thinking.

And the reasons for Smith’s dissatisfaction with the team now have to make the Hawks wonder if they will be able to sign him to a contract extension next season.

By the end of last season Smith wanted out of Atlanta because he believed he was singled out for unfair criticism by coaches and media. Those concerns have died down for the most part this season but now Smith believes he needs a fresh start with a franchise where he can better reach his potential on and off the court, according to one of the people with knowledge of Smith’s thinking.

The person said one of Smith’s complaints is that he believes the Hawks didn’t do enough to promote him for selection to the All-Star team, which he thinks contributed to lesser players being voted to the team by Eastern Conference coaches. Smith, an Atlanta native who has played his entire seven-year career with the Hawks, also would like to play for a franchise he believes is more committed to winning a championship.

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Now this gets interesting. A shot at a boarderline all star. We could trial him and cut him loose if it doesnt work out when his contract is up.

I know hes not perfect and is a bit of a glorified SF but being who we are its not often we have a real shot at anything other then prospects in the draft.

For the right deal i do this but now its serious pondering time

 

[upinsmoke]

Not for Thornton. Trading Marcus would be short term thinking because he's going to close out some playoff games for us, you just watch.

 

[Kingster]

I'm just not a Josh Smith fan. I don't like his BB IQ and his penchant for wanting to stay outside.

 

[bluntsnbball]

does Smith have the handles to play at the 3? i know he can hit the 3 but not at a very efficient rate. i dont know if he would really work out long term at the 3

 

[TTown Kings]

he's not a 3.

If we didn't have to give up much to get him I'd be all for it. He would be an improvement as the starting 4 and should help our defense, which is absolutely atrocious. I don't want to trade MT though. They're looking to shed salary, maybe they'd take less?

 

[SacTownKid]

It would take Tyreke to get a deal done, and it would be better for the Kings than moving Thornton. Thornton is much needed for his individual offense and shooting ability. I like Smith and Cousins in the frontline, about as complimentary and unique as you can get.

 

[Glenn]

He sounds like a high maintenance brat. We don't need that.

 

[SacTownKid]

It would take Tyreke to get a deal done, and it would be better for the Kings than moving Thornton. Thornton is much needed for his individual offense and shooting ability. I like Smith and Cousins in the frontline, about as complimentary and unique as you can get.

I forgot to add, I wouldn't move Tyreke for Josh Smith if I were GM.

 

[bajaden]

I think right now, if a deal doesn't just leap out at me, and I have to talk myself into it, then I probably shouldn't do it. Thats kind of where I'm at with this one. Smith is one of those guys thats just one knee injury away from being ineffective. Now that may never happen, but, when a player like Smith looses his athleticism, his drop off is considerably more, than a player like Paul Pierce, who has a greater overall skill level. Still, for the right price, I'd love to have him.

So I guess it comes down to what we would have to give up for him. I really don't want to trade Thornton. He wants to be here, and he's going to get better and better as time goes on. So I guess its a no!

 

[Nighthawk1]

I like Josh Smith, quite a bit. I can talk myself into doing this trade without much effort. Any high athletic guy you can say "one knee injury away". However, he's a big upgrade over all our bigs not named DMC that plays D and he can run the floor. That being said I'd Dangle names people don't want to hear about to get Horford