[Game] 45/82: Kings @ Knicks 25 JAN 2025, 4:30pm PT/7:30pm ET

[Joshyjosh31]

Was so disappointed at the time, and im not just saying that with revisionist history. Gotta say I felt the same exact feeling when we drafted Carter, I wanted Ware.. hope I'm wrong this time tho.

I really just want some options with size on this team.. Everyone is on the small size for their position.

Ware looks like Evan Mobley and he’s already shooting threes at a good clip

 

[Kingster]

I think currently the pinky itself isn't the entire issue, but having a sprained thumb on the other hand and being dinged up in general could be a problem. The thumb should heal with rest. Look we all know there is no incentive for Fox to sit. Not for him at least. If he does he's potentially giving up any shot at that super max.

But he has no shot getting the super max playing like he is. Frankly, if it was just about $ he would have been better off to sit out after the beginning of January.

 

[sactowndog]

Since we’re having a GM talk how the **** did we not end up with a decent player this draft

https://twitter.com/x/status/1883342207601770683

given our roster at the time picking Davion was incredibly poor

center: Holmes, Whiteside, Metu
PF: Barnes, Metu,
SF: Harkless, Silva
SG: Hield, T. Davis
PG: Fox, Haliburton, D Wright

Given the players and our roster in the top 5 worst picks of the Sacramento era for me top 3.

 

[sactowndog]

Imagine sengun smd domas on one team i really gate davion now

or imagine Sengun with Haliburton running pick and role.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

given our roster at the time picking Davion was incredibly poor

center: Holmes, Whiteside, Metu
PF: Barnes, Metu,
SF: Harkless, Silva
SG: Hield, T. Davis
PG: Fox, Haliburton, D Wright

Given the players and our roster in the top 5 worst picks of the Sacramento era for me top 3.

jesus we had Hield at SG too how do you justify taking Mitchell and we were linked to sengun

 

[The_Jamal]

I didn’t say he was worse than Vlade.

Approaching Vlade is not worse than Vlade and I would argue Vlade made some good trades (minus the Philly disaster) but tragically drafted worse than a random draw.

I have him for sure worse the Petrie, worse the Reynolds who acquired some good picks and was tragically unlucky (so tragically I don’t even want to try to put it in context).

that leaves Joe Axelson (and it is hard to compare given his tenure spanned KC and Sac and the draft was many more rounds) and Pete.

I punted on Joe because as it’s comparing apples and oranges but certainly his record was poor. Pete was bad but he only lasted 2 years and didn’t have much of a chance to F up.

Monte has had multiple opportunities and F’d them up and in some cases repeated the same mistake causing him to trade away his best guard once and likely again before all is said and done. He isn’t worst then Vlade. In my opinion he is worse than Pete and working on Vlade.

Yea, you said you prefer how Vlade operated over how monte operated. Go reread your own words again.

Done with this convo, you can't be helped at this point.

 

[serbiangoat]

Ware looks like Evan Mobley and he’s already shooting threes at a good clip

Only thing I worry about Ware is he has a little WCS in him at times in terms of effort/rebounding but his last 3-4 games prior to the Nets game were amazing probably then best 3 game stretch of any rookie playing for a play in/off level team.

 

[sactowndog]

Yea, you said you prefer how Vlade operated over how monte operated. Go reread your own words again.

Done with this convo, you can't be helped at this point.

no I said I preferred errors of commission over errors of omission. It’s like preferring some to go down swinging versus standing there with the bat on his shoulder.

you telling me you prefer the latter?

 

[sactowndog]

jesus we had Hield at SG too how do you justify taking Mitchell and we were linked to sengun

you can’t. But hard to say it worse taking Carter when you have

Fox, Monk, McLaughlin
Ellis, Huerter, Jones.

last time it cost you Haliburton and this time likely Fox because teams know you have to do something. So instead Monte does nothing for the 6th year in a row.

 

[SacTownKid]

Only thing I worry about Ware is he has a little WCS in him at times in terms of effort/rebounding but his last 3-4 games prior to the Nets game were amazing probably then best 3 game stretch of any rookie playing for a play in/off level team.

He looks every bit the Christian Wood he did prior to the draft.

 

[macadocious]

you can’t. But hard to say it worse taking Carter when you have

last time it cost you Haliburton and this time likely Fox because teams know you have to do something. So instead Monte does nothing for the 6th year in a row.

C'mon man. Monte was hired in September of 2020. That is 4 years and 4 months ago. That is also these seasons:

2020/21 - Haliburton
2021/22 - Mitchell
2022/23 - Keegan
2023/24 - (TRADED)
2024/25 - Devin Carter

So we are halfway through his 5th Season, and it's barely been over 4 years and you're talking like he's car that is a 2020 model but bought at the end of 2018 or something.

He has one bad pick out of 4. Go look at every GM of ever team over the last 5 drafts and tell me they have had zero bad picks.

 

[The_Jamal]

C'mon man. Monte was hired in September of 2020. That is 4 years and 4 months ago. That is also these seasons:

2020/21 - Haliburton
2021/22 - Mitchell
2022/23 - Keegan
2023/24 - (TRADED)
2024/25 - Devin Carter

So we are halfway through his 5th Season, and it's barely been over 4 years and you're talking like he's car that is a 2020 model but bought at the end of 2018 or something.

He has one bad pick out of 4. Go look at every GM of ever team over the last 5 drafts and tell me they have had zero bad picks.

Best not to engage with him anymore about Monte. He simply can't see beyond his own bias.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

Only thing I worry about Ware is he has a little WCS in him at times in terms of effort/rebounding but his last 3-4 games prior to the Nets game were amazing probably then best 3 game stretch of any rookie playing for a play in/off level team.

His rebounding numbers look very good whenever he plays over 20 minutes also on the season he’s shooting 38% from three on almost 2 attempts and this month he’s at 41% on 2.8 attempts. 74% from the line he should be a good shooter while providing all nba defense very intriguing player if Fox asks out

 

[sactowndog]

C'mon man. Monte was hired in September of 2020. That is 4 years and 4 months ago. That is also these seasons:

2020/21 - Haliburton
2021/22 - Mitchell
2022/23 - Keegan
2023/24 - (TRADED)
2024/25 - Devin Carter

So we are halfway through his 5th Season, and it's barely been over 4 years and you're talking like he's car that is a 2020 model but bought at the end of 2018 or something.

He has one bad pick out of 4. Go look at every GM of ever team over the last 5 drafts and tell me they have had zero bad picks.

Picks are not the only quality of a GM and Carter is TBD. 2 good picks, 1 terrible pick and 1 TBD pick. And then a number of poor trades and at least one trade not made.

 

[sactowndog]

Best not to engage with him anymore about Monte. He simply can't see beyond his own bias.

says the guy who claims passing on the Boston trade wasn’t bad! All so we could chase a playin spot everyone knew wouldn’t happen and cost ourselves the chance to draft Wagner.

Yeah I may be biased but so are you in the opposite direction. And for those reading note @The_Jamal isn’t saying the offer wasn’t on the table because he knows my source and though we disagree he has integrity.