So you didn’t just post that in an emotional knee jerk reaction to the game? You actually believe Monte McNair is approaching THE worst GM ever? As in, there may soon not be ANY GM throughout the entire history of the NBA who was/is worse than Monte McNair? Are you sure you want to stick with that take?
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Yeh and the Keon minutes most everyone roasted Mike for didn’t hold up either.
A lot of coaches ride their starters too much and Doug will have to figure out if he wants to do that or try to rely on depth. Maybe a deadline trade clears that up a bit.
We are in a weird spot because we need Deebo and Monk’s offense to win most nights but we also desperately need another defender in that heavy minute group otherwise there is a low ceiling on this group.
The Fox injury is a whole other thing. We might need him to sit for several games just to see if we can get him back to early season Fox
Fox’s lackluster play in January is interesting considering he was also much worse in January last season. For reference, below are the deltas in his stats when comparing Oct-Dec to Jan these past 2 seasons…
2023-24: Oct-Dec & Jan Delta
USG% Delta = -5.3%
TS% Delta = -6.8%
FGA Per36 Delta = -3.5
FTA Per36 Delta = -1.9
PTS Per36 Delta = -8.0
AST Per36 Delta = -1.7
2024-25: Oct-Dec & Jan Delta
USG% = -5.9%
TS% = -5.9%
FGA Per36 = -2.6
FTA Per36 = -0.9
PTS Per36 = -5.7
AST Per36 = -0.2
His efficiency has not only been much worse in January, but he considerably lowers his usage, takes less shots, gets to the free throw line less frequently, etc. From an eye test perspective, it looks like he is taking a step back, deferring to others, complacement, indifferent, nonchalant, etc. I think it’s fair to say the stats and eye test line up here.
Maybe next year we can just give Fox the month of January off and tell him we’ll see him after the all star break
2023-24: Oct-Dec & Jan Delta
USG% Delta = -5.3%
TS% Delta = -6.8%
FGA Per36 Delta = -3.5
FTA Per36 Delta = -1.9
PTS Per36 Delta = -8.0
AST Per36 Delta = -1.7
2024-25: Oct-Dec & Jan Delta
USG% = -5.9%
TS% = -5.9%
FGA Per36 = -2.6
FTA Per36 = -0.9
PTS Per36 = -5.7
AST Per36 = -0.2
His efficiency has not only been much worse in January, but he considerably lowers his usage, takes less shots, gets to the free throw line less frequently, etc. From an eye test perspective, it looks like he is taking a step back, deferring to others, complacement, indifferent, nonchalant, etc. I think it’s fair to say the stats and eye test line up here.
Maybe next year we can just give Fox the month of January off and tell him we’ll see him after the all star break
Divac was very awful, but... I mean, Mister Russell's first act as general manager was to hire Jerry Reynolds to be the head coach. Nothing McNair's done to this point approaches that.
As general manager of the Kings, Jerry Reynolds had four first round picks in the 1990 NBA draft. Six players in that draft went on to become All-Stars (four of them after the Kings' first pick) and Jerry didn't get any of them.
As general manager of the Kings, Jerry Reynolds had four first round picks in the 1990 NBA draft. Six players in that draft went on to become All-Stars (four of them after the Kings' first pick) and Jerry didn't get any of them.
There are things Christie needs to look at. Number 1, if he's going to play his starters like it's the 90's fine, steal rest when you can. Blowouts? Usually a good time. The other thing is less of Monk and Fox together. The stats show that at least defensively the team is far better when one is with either Keon or Carter. It's common sense as to why if it were to hold up. Also, stop throwing these new pieces in at random and only giving them enough time to look bad. Playing players like Huerter or McDermott short stints won't usually help anyone. Rebounders and defenders are usually per minute guys anyway. Rebounders rebound and defenders defend from the moment they step on the floor.
Why would I leave out the "short term place holders"? I can see leaving out Dumars, since he didn't actually do anything that can be officially counted against his record. But Mister Russell actually did the job: he hired people, he fired people, he drafted people, he traded people. He absolutely counts.
There have been seven general managers in the Sacramento era, not six. McNair is the second-best one of the group.
There have been seven general managers in the Sacramento era, not six. McNair is the second-best one of the group.
It’s a weird thing with coaches. I went to an Iowa State game last week and they were blowing out the opponent and the coach didn’t pull his starters until under 2 minutes. And this is college with a 30 second shot clock and way less threes. The lead was super safe. They have a 7 ft freshman we were hoping to get a look at but nope.
Approaching worst Kings GM.
The Davion pick was for me top 3 bad. His handling of Bogi not getting even a trade exception was terrible. Not trading Barnes to Boston (and Jamal knows why I know), not tanking in the Davion Draft, the wasting of multiple 2nd round picks when your strength is drafting talent, the bad Huerter trade, not being able to fix the lack of wings for four years.
yeah for me if he doesn’t address the front court depth problem and backcourt glut he created a 2nd time….. I think he is worse than Pete.
His only claim to fame is giving up an all star all NBA point guard for Domas and drafting Keegan who is good over J Will a likely all star.
The Davion pick was for me top 3 bad. His handling of Bogi not getting even a trade exception was terrible. Not trading Barnes to Boston (and Jamal knows why I know), not tanking in the Davion Draft, the wasting of multiple 2nd round picks when your strength is drafting talent, the bad Huerter trade, not being able to fix the lack of wings for four years.
yeah for me if he doesn’t address the front court depth problem and backcourt glut he created a 2nd time….. I think he is worse than Pete.
His only claim to fame is giving up an all star all NBA point guard for Domas and drafting Keegan who is good over J Will a likely all star.
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which 4 are you referring.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1990.html
I don’t think this draft is nearly as loaded as the Davion Draft.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1990.html
I don’t think this draft is nearly as loaded as the Davion Draft.
This is not true: Dumars was only "officially" the GM from August of 2020 to September of 2020. Before that, he was the "special advisor" and, after that, he was the "chief strategy officer." During his one month in office, Dumars made no moves that can be counted against his record.
In Mister Russell's 21 months (not one year) tenure as GM, he hired a head coach, presided over two drafts and made six trades, as well as a bunch of other roster moves. He counts.
In Mister Russell's 21 months (not one year) tenure as GM, he hired a head coach, presided over two drafts and made six trades, as well as a bunch of other roster moves. He counts.
That's not what I said, and I don't recall that being what the criteria was.
Six players drafted in 1990 went on to become All-Stars: two of them, Derrick Coleman (1st) and Gary Payton (2nd) were drafted before Reynolds picked first at 7th, can't hold those against him. The other four, Tyrone Hill (11th), Jayson Williams (21st), Antonio Davis (45th) and Cedric Ceballos (48th) came after. Incidentally, Jerry also had a second round pick in that draft, which he used to take Bimbo Coles (40th).
Six players drafted in 1990 went on to become All-Stars: two of them, Derrick Coleman (1st) and Gary Payton (2nd) were drafted before Reynolds picked first at 7th, can't hold those against him. The other four, Tyrone Hill (11th), Jayson Williams (21st), Antonio Davis (45th) and Cedric Ceballos (48th) came after. Incidentally, Jerry also had a second round pick in that draft, which he used to take Bimbo Coles (40th).
Vlade's record as a complete disaster of a GM will be unassailable in our lifetimes, maybe even in the lifetimes of our children and our children's children. Vlade's ineptitude is the stuff of legends.
To compare Monte's GMing to Vlade's is like comparing a stubbed toe to the amputation of an entire limb. It's peak hyperbole, unlike this post of mine which is entirely valid and not all all an exaggeration of the historic blundering of Vlade as GM.
To compare Monte's GMing to Vlade's is like comparing a stubbed toe to the amputation of an entire limb. It's peak hyperbole, unlike this post of mine which is entirely valid and not all all an exaggeration of the historic blundering of Vlade as GM.
hmmm….
Tyrone Hill had 1 all star year where he scored 13.9 points a game and averaged 9.4 points over his career
Antonio Davis had 1 all star year where he scored 13.8 and Averaged 9.4
Jayson Williams had 1 all star year where he scored 12.9 and averaged 7.3
Cedric Caballos was the best of the 4 and likely a true miss.
kings drafted Lionel Simmons who was 2nd in Rookie of the year and was averaging 17-18 points a game. He was a great pick who sadly had to retire due to chronic injuries.
this draft is no where near as bad as the Davion Draft.
Tyrone Hill had 1 all star year where he scored 13.9 points a game and averaged 9.4 points over his career
Antonio Davis had 1 all star year where he scored 13.8 and Averaged 9.4
Jayson Williams had 1 all star year where he scored 12.9 and averaged 7.3
Cedric Caballos was the best of the 4 and likely a true miss.
kings drafted Lionel Simmons who was 2nd in Rookie of the year and was averaging 17-18 points a game. He was a great pick who sadly had to retire due to chronic injuries.
this draft is no where near as bad as the Davion Draft.
I don't even know what your talking about. The sir is litteraly how ive been posting since I joined years ago, it has absolutely nothing to do with you at all. So I'm not dropping it.
Also said nothing disrespectful to anyone at all and anyone here can mute me as well.your mad about someone posting? Fox had a terrible game and he kept on having a terrible game. This is why the post where direct to his terrible game. Nothing more nothing less. I dont understand the threat at all
Also said nothing disrespectful to anyone at all and anyone here can mute me as well.your mad about someone posting? Fox had a terrible game and he kept on having a terrible game. This is why the post where direct to his terrible game. Nothing more nothing less. I dont understand the threat at all
Yeah, and in college that's whatever. The NBA is a totally different beast especially in this part of the season when you are in the muck the Kings are in with the play in/playoff race. No, nobody is waiving white flags at the start of the 3rd but this type of thing compounds, injury wise and energy wise. The Kings have busted their humps to get back in the picture as fast as they have and it's likely inevitable that there will be games like Denver and this one. Injuries are starting to stack up so minutes in games like this shouldn't be. I get every coach thinks only being down 16-20 in the 4th is still winnable, and it is, but fighting from behind game after game and still losing while your guys are playing 35-40 mpg is something we've seen historically take down teams in the past. There is so little time left in the season that this has to be played for the stretch run, not just "tonight". This is probably the time for the coaching staff to stop necessarily looking at the game in front of them and start looking at the big picture. The crazy insane turnaround did it's job but it's back to reality now.
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