I don't think anyone ever worried about him being a good shooter, just if he could maintain a 40%+ 3pt. We're still dealing with fairly small samples with him, but I think there's enough on the bone now with him as a pro (G-League, his first 2 NBA seasons) that we can pretty confidently call him "starting caliber" as a shooter. And that's literally all you need because he's All-defensive team talent on the other end.
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I don't think anyone ever worried about him being a good shooter, just if he could maintain a 40%+ 3pt. We're still dealing with fairly small samples with him, but I think there's enough on the bone now with him as a pro (G-League, his first 2 NBA seasons) that we can pretty confidently call him "starting caliber" as a shooter. And that's literally all you need because he's All-defensive team talent on the other end.
kingsboi
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rebuild around defenders? Sign me up. I'd rather watch a gritty, Memphis like squad being built than a finesse, three point chucking squad. Whether its Monte doing the building or another, this would be entertaining hoops for me.
TaxMan
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I think going all in on Ellis is probably the best option Christie has in putting his imprint on this team midstream. I’m sorry, but you can’t just change the offensive or defensive system mid-year. That just can’t happen without throwing away the season. At this point Doug can change the players that play, rotation patterns, and can try to motivate in different ways.
megapoxy
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There is an ongoing talk today in social media about MB asking DDR if he could come from the bench and that could have been a part of him getting fired (along with several other things of course).
This stat about DDR can be a bit misleading, since he played 35+ minutes in all those matches that went to crunch time and most of them were defeats at the end (maybe Fox or Domas or Keegan or Monk has similar stats themselves, I know Keon doesn't for sure), and he still has a positive net rating, 4th best in the team behind Keon, Domas and Keegan (Doug is also higher but has only played 9' per game).
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/wh...to-kings-with-the-best-plus-minus-in-nba-2025
Fox reacted to the tweet (not regarding the win/lose stats for DDR)
This stat about DDR can be a bit misleading, since he played 35+ minutes in all those matches that went to crunch time and most of them were defeats at the end (maybe Fox or Domas or Keegan or Monk has similar stats themselves, I know Keon doesn't for sure), and he still has a positive net rating, 4th best in the team behind Keon, Domas and Keegan (Doug is also higher but has only played 9' per game).
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/wh...to-kings-with-the-best-plus-minus-in-nba-2025
Fox reacted to the tweet (not regarding the win/lose stats for DDR)
The DDR stat is a stupid Causation=correlation. You can cherry pick numbers like that pretty much any form you want to. It's like people using individual game +/- to show who played well and who didn't. Just not how any of this works.
Posted this in the other thread, but I really like Fox speaking out here, defending himself and the team. Shows he still cares and is just not a "Klutch robot" waiting to get shipped off.
Joshyjosh31
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Another thing Brown was right about smh team would be better with Derozan off the bench
Tetsujin
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I feel like most teams’ records are good whenever their main guys play less minutes because usually that just means that they blew out the other team by enough points that they just sat out the entire fourth quarter or something.
TaxMan
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I don’t doubt Fox when he says this. I don’t believe he went to management asking for Brown to be fired. At the same time the vibes haven’t been good and I can’t imagine management totally loved Brown coming out hard publicly against Fox. I’m sure there’s a lot of sensitivity given and the contract that they didn’t want something escalated publicly between their coach and their star (regardless of whether fox says he’s OK with it or that he wants to be coached tough).
Sorry, doesn’t make Fox a leader and that is what is missing. Fox’s hands are not clean in this. Maybe He could have stood up and said something. Don’t forget Klutch meeting with Monte and Wes. Klutch is Fox’s agent. You don’t think they had conversations?
Right now though it sure looks like Monte = Pete D’Allesandro in this firing.
Explain how it's even remotely similar scenarios/situations
Firing a head coach out of the blue. This was a shocking move in my opinion. It appears you don’t feel that way but that’s not the national narrative
The national narrative with regards to the Kings has always been... dumb. Just look at the 3 year discourse on the Hali-Domas trade for proof. Which they've all been weirdly quiet about this season because Hali has struggled.. hmmm.
Agree it was shocking and I voted in thread I would not have fired Brown. But when a team with huge expectations and massively underperforms... the coach is always the first domino to fall. And Brown is certainly not without culpability to our struggles; inconsistent rotations, limited Keon, not addressing the atrocious 3pt defense. Fire-worthy? Of course not. But for an impatient owner, he's going to want to see some change, immediately. And while people complain about this roster, they still have no answer for the level of talent we have and why it's underperforming so heavily. Especially in clutch situations, with 2 of the best clutch players over the last 5 years.
Ok……still want a press conference from the guy who fired him.
People all over were calling for his head after the first two LAL games, then the Indiana blowout.
After Detroit something had to be done. I think the answer is still probably trading Fox and starting a soft-reset (before we're forced to make a hard one). But you can't do that in the day off between your next game, and Brown probably doesn't survive a soft-reset. Not even sure Monte will in the end. But it makes sense barring a blockbuster trade the next day that coach goes.
And yeah, I believe that Klutch's selling point to Fox was that they could keep his hands clean in getting him out of Sac when the time came.
I don't think I would say 'out of the blue'. We had a Fire Mike Brown thread here that had 445 comments, and 120 comments in the week leading up to his firing, with Christmas in the middle of that to deaden out discussion. Maybe the national talking heads didn't see it coming, but the national talking heads have us on permanent ignore until something noteworthy happens. The folks around here who were watching the games knew the seat was getting pretty damn hot.
Tetsujin
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If any other team with high expectations fired its coach floundered out the gates then put up a terrible 0-5 home stand with each loss getting progressively worse, it would have been absolutely expected but with the Kings it wasn’t?
Not to play "get the final word in" here, but I see that today's game thread is up, so I'm going to close this one.
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