[Game] 28/82: Kings vs. Lakers 19 DEC 2024 7pm PT/10pm ET

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Monk could be an issue moving on. The reality is the Kings with Monk are 25th in defense. With Keon they're at the top. Maybe a little tweak could help, but identity questions are what they are.
The team looks like it plays best overall, when Keon is on the floor. He was impactful tonight and then didn't play at all, after they pulled him with over 8:00 to go
 

SLAB

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na, 3 all star level players, a perennial 6th man of the year and 2 great defenders and a 2 time Coach of the year does not have a play-in ceiling :rolleyes:
That’s all true … so what’s wrong? I believe in the talent. I still do. But where’s the disconnect to making it work. Is it coaching? Bad build? No chemistry? They are what they present on the court despite those accolades and abilities.
 
The West is just plain tough. Whatever team can streak might end up winning 50. Including the Kings.
That’s it. The goal is to make the playoffs and then anything can happen, no matter how you get there. That’s what really sucks about blowing the Denver games. Had we won that’s 4 in a row and 5 of 6. This game wouldn’t have mattered as much. This team is fully capable of going on a run but we keep running in to new problems when it seems like we solved the old ones
 

kingsboi

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That’s all true … so what’s wrong? I believe in the talent. I still do. But where’s the disconnect to making it work. Is it coaching? Bad build? No chemistry? They are what they present on the court despite those accolades and abilities.
the foundation is broken
 

gunks

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I love fox and yes the numbers tonight were still good, but this feels like another stretch of games were he just looks off. Seems to happen every year and it’s going to sink the season.
I swear he has seasonal affective disorder. Somebody give the man some vitamin D supplements please!!!
 
Mike Brown doing things the opposite way. He criticized the team after a hard fought loss (last game) when he should have stood with the team. The coaches and players need to share the responsibility.

He's comes up with this passive aggressive stuff when direct criticism is warranted after a lackluster effort today (gave up 15 offensive rebounds). Why is he not taking responsibility? After a bad start last game, he should have got the team executing well-practiced plays at the start today. Instead, he left the team to fend for themselves. Fox and Deebo trying to get their own while others stand around is not a winning formula. There was a distinct lack of energy and cohesion. He's simply not pushing the right buttons. He needs to wise up before he totally loses the locker room.
 
Mike Brown doing things the opposite way. He criticized the team after a hard fought loss (last game) when he should have stood with the team. The coaches and players need to share the responsibility.

He's comes up with this passive aggressive stuff when direct criticism is warranted after a lackluster effort today (gave up 15 offensive rebounds). Why is he not taking responsibility? After a bad start last game, he should have got the team executing well-practiced plays at the start today. Instead, he left the team to fend for themselves. Fox and Deebo trying to get their own while others stand around is not a winning formula. There was a distinct lack of energy and cohesion. He's simply not pushing the right buttons. He needs to wise up before he totally loses the locker room.
Mike has always taken responsibility. Pretty much every pre or post game he talks about how it starts with him. As Al Pacino said in AGS, “now I can’t do it for you, I’m too old” and “ now, what are you gonna do?” The coach can only do so much and these guys are all professional ball players. They aren’t executing the game plan and the players have admittted as such. At some point, the players have to be the ones to step up. There are plenty of controllables like effort and focus and we are lacking big time in that area.
 
Near depressing ending Kings-Lakers game switched channel to TNT and NBA panel discussing general state of the league. Talk about a deep dive into depression! Charles Barkley said NBA TV ratings down and then the others, Kenny, Shaq chimed in, pretty much all agreed why ratings sliding. League become little more than silly three-point shooting contest. So ridiculous two-on-one fast break now routinely produces instead of sure lay-up or fouled the spectacle of player running to three-point line and planting for gimme pass. Then jacking up low percentage three, instead of taking the easy layup. They went on to fault coaching who they said afraid of the players who have all the power. Head coach now more concerned about load management keeping players happy than actually going hard on them to win games. At least that's what I took from the banter with Barkley saying was going to "kick Adam Lefkoe's ass" (joking I think!) sitting in for E.J.o_O
 
Mike has always taken responsibility. Pretty much every pre or post game he talks about how it starts with him.
Mike taking up responsibility should reflect not just in interviews but also in his game plans and leadership. The defensive plans meant giving up open threes. What was his response? There was too much iso play and not enough set plays? What was his response? Where were the end of quarter plays? Ultimately, it is the players that execute but did he get the expected results on the floor? If not, what were the in-game adjustments?

Overall, I do not like his recent tendency of "othering" the players. The coaches and players are in this together. Shrugging your shoulders and saying "I did my part, they didn't do theirs" is disingenuous and stupid. Players will start looking to only getting their own and that's where we get lottery teams mentality.
 
Near depressing ending Kings-Lakers game switched channel to TNT and NBA panel discussing general state of the league. Talk about a deep dive into depression! Charles Barkley said NBA TV ratings down and then the others, Kenny, Shaq chimed in, pretty much all agreed why ratings sliding. League become little more than silly three-point shooting contest. So ridiculous two-on-one fast break now routinely produces instead of sure lay-up or fouled the spectacle of player running to three-point line and planting for gimme pass. Then jacking up low percentage three, instead of taking the easy layup. They went on to fault coaching who they said afraid of the players who have all the power. Head coach now more concerned about load management keeping players happy than actually going hard on them to win games. At least that's what I took from the banter with Barkley saying was going to "kick Adam Lefkoe's ass" (joking I think!) sitting in for E.J.o_O
They are speaking the truth. More and more national guys are hitting the alarm button. The NBA has some very hard decisions a to make coming up. However, I’m not sure silver is the guy for the job.
 
Near depressing ending Kings-Lakers game switched channel to TNT and NBA panel discussing general state of the league. Talk about a deep dive into depression! Charles Barkley said NBA TV ratings down and then the others, Kenny, Shaq chimed in, pretty much all agreed why ratings sliding. League become little more than silly three-point shooting contest. So ridiculous two-on-one fast break now routinely produces instead of sure lay-up or fouled the spectacle of player running to three-point line and planting for gimme pass. Then jacking up low percentage three, instead of taking the easy layup. They went on to fault coaching who they said afraid of the players who have all the power. Head coach now more concerned about load management keeping players happy than actually going hard on them to win games. At least that's what I took from the banter with Barkley saying was going to "kick Adam Lefkoe's ass" (joking I think!) sitting in for E.J.o_O
I say this with respect but who cares if ratings are down? People are still consuming basketball at about the same rate they just aren’t sitting on the couch watching the entire games. The NBA has the biggest social media presence of the 4 major sports. It’s all highlights, league pass, social media etc. The value of the Kings franchise went up millions of dollars recently and the league is on track to pay its best players 60 plus mil a year. This isn’t a struggling league.
 
Silver said that he is aware that the ratings are down BUT he emphasized that the social media are "on fire" regarding the NBA, well above and beyond all the other major sports in USA and globally.
Sometimes that I am on the road or abroad and it's not possible to watch the match "live" from league pass, it feels like I am watching it if I check social media (the Kings reporters, the official twitter account etc) since there are frequent videos every 2-3 minutes (clips from the tv coverage not from inside the arena) so it's "like" watching the game.

Also globally many people that gamble are watching the matches via streams offered by the bookmaker (. The NBA itself the last years are making dozens of millions from co-operating with legal gambling sites, so the drop in the tv ratings isn't that much of a big issue for them.

There are rumours that they are trying to figure out a way so the 3 pointers to be reduced but I doubt this could happen in the near future.
 
I say this with respect but who cares if ratings are down? People are still consuming basketball at about the same rate they just aren’t sitting on the couch watching the entire games. The NBA has the biggest social media presence of the 4 major sports. It’s all highlights, league pass, social media etc. The value of the Kings franchise went up millions of dollars recently and the league is on track to pay its best players 60 plus mil a year. This isn’t a struggling league.
I think the Inside the NBA folks, putting on a TV show in between games and halves, might be more interested in ratings than about anybody else.

They may not be as equipped as commentators to understand and explain the game as it currently is, so I'm not surprised they have antipathy for the 3 point era. The NBA is doing fine, but their jobs are at risk
 
Mike Brown doing things the opposite way. He criticized the team after a hard fought loss (last game) when he should have stood with the team. The coaches and players need to share the responsibility.

He's comes up with this passive aggressive stuff when direct criticism is warranted after a lackluster effort today (gave up 15 offensive rebounds). Why is he not taking responsibility? After a bad start last game, he should have got the team executing well-practiced plays at the start today. Instead, he left the team to fend for themselves. Fox and Deebo trying to get their own while others stand around is not a winning formula. There was a distinct lack of energy and cohesion. He's simply not pushing the right buttons. He needs to wise up before he totally loses the locker room.
Interesting take. I watched last night on the tube and had no idea what was happening--they came out shooting blanks. Then Fox picked up his fifth foul on a really stupid reach-in on a fast break. No way you can win when one of your two stars sits on the bench during the most crucial part of the game. "Lack of cohesion," indeed.
 
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Mike Brown doing things the opposite way. He criticized the team after a hard fought loss (last game) when he should have stood with the team. The coaches and players need to share the responsibility.

He's comes up with this passive aggressive stuff when direct criticism is warranted after a lackluster effort today (gave up 15 offensive rebounds). Why is he not taking responsibility? After a bad start last game, he should have got the team executing well-practiced plays at the start today. Instead, he left the team to fend for themselves. Fox and Deebo trying to get their own while others stand around is not a winning formula. There was a distinct lack of energy and cohesion. He's simply not pushing the right buttons. He needs to wise up before he totally loses the locker room.
Too late, IMO.
 
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