2021 Free Agency Mega Thread

[Padrino]

Fox Mitchell
Hali Davis
Barnes MLE
Tobias Metu
Holmes Queta

that would probably be the most complete team we have had in the last 15+ years. Not saying much but still

Harris' contract is a big fat , but I would still be fairly satisfied if that was the bulk of the roster heading into next season. The Kings obviously aren't getting the world for Buddy Hield. If they had been able to package him with the 9th before the draft, then they might have been able to squeeze more out of his trade value. As it is, something like a Hield+Bagley for Harris swap makes a lot of sense for both teams and represents reasonable value, all things considered.

I'd like to see the Kings additionally pursue Nerlens Noel to bring veteran rim protection off the bench. Who knows if Metu or Queta are truly ready to contribute, especially since that starting lineup suggests a team competing for a playoff seed. And they need to fill out their rotation on the wing a bit more. None of these are gravity-defying moves, but if you combine all these potential roster changes together, the team starts to look like one that can win. A title? Certainly not. One step at a time, and all that.

 

[Section 101]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1422243207648210945

That’s a pretty good deal if that’s what we get him for. 60 million is a little too rich for my taste

I believe 4/47 is the max we can offer.

 

[Tetsujin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1422248477346582529

 

[The_Jamal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1422243207648210945

That’s a pretty good deal if that’s what we get him for. 60 million is a little too rich for my taste

In demand for sure, but is Holmes willing to wait out the 2-3 teams with cap space that can actually use him? I'm fairly certain at this point he's not any of their #1 options.

 

[Tetsujin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1422250255786024961

Is Sam Presti alright?

 

[pdxKingsFan]

If we send Bagley, who still has an admittedly very narrow window of being the best player in the deal long term, I would really like to see us at least get a pick back if we don't send a third player and get a contributor back.

I'd prefer we send them an expiring MLE level guy in the deal.

 

[Tetsujin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1422252640575148032

 

[Entity]

If we send Bagley, who still has an admittedly very narrow window of being the best player in the deal long term, I would really like to see us at least get a pick back if we don't send a third player and get a contributor back.

I'd prefer we send them an expiring MLE level guy in the deal.

Well if we sign Holmes we could swing Tristan there

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Well if we sign Holmes we could swing Tristan there

If we sign Holmes we should sent them Wright and also ask for more. Forget Tristan if Holmes signs.

 

[The_Jamal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1422254255004692484

My word. Get in on this buy-low.

 

[MizzouKing]

I’d just really need the Kings to conduct a full medical check before hand. Considering our track record, his legs would probably fall off the second he got up from signing his contract.

So true! And Vlade doesn't get nearly enough credit for trading DMC _before_ his legs fell off.

 

[Entity]

If we sign Holmes we should sent them Wright and also ask for more. Forget Tristan if Holmes signs.

how about buddy, Bagley, Barnes, Wright for Harris and simmons

Fox/Mitchell
Hali/TD/Ramsey
Simmons/MLE/king or woodard
Harris/Metu
Holmes/queta/jones

 

[pdxKingsFan]

how about buddy, Bagley, Barnes, Wright for Harris and simmons

Fox/Mitchell
Hali/TD/Ramsey
Simmons/MLE/king or woodard
Harris/Metu
Holmes/queta/jones

Why would Philly do that? Pretty sure they wouldn't take that package for Simmons alone.

 

[Entity]

Why would Philly do that? Pretty sure they wouldn't take that package for Simmons alone.

they will find out soon enough that nobody is beating the doors down for simmons.

 

[SLAB]

they will find out soon enough that nobody is beating the doors down for simmons.

Its cool, I’m sure Doc, Embiid, and all of Philadelphia are dying to run it back exactly the same!

 

[Tetsujin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1422254419811373060

Dallas now in the awkward position of being the max cap space team that no one apparently wants to go to

 

[Jkbiker]

But we are not sending Fox and 5 future firsts for Simmons so Phil is content waiting for
the big haul that they think will come later

 

[Telemachus]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1422254255004692484

My word. Get in on this buy-low.

Fox is good friends with Vanderbilt.

 

[Entity]

But we are not sending Fox and 5 future firsts for Simmons so Phil is content waiting for
the big haul that they think will come later

id send fox, buddy, bagley and next years first for simmons and harris

 

[pdxKingsFan]

they will find out soon enough that nobody is beating the doors down for simmons.

No disagreement I think that package would be good for either one of them plus one or two of their depth players, but can't see how you ask for both. I was more thinking future picks or a Thybulle/Maxsey level. The more I think about it though the more I would like to keep Barnes even if we were adding Harris. If it was Bagley and Buddy for Harris plus a future first, lottery protected I think I would do it.

 

[Jkbiker]

id send fox, buddy, bagley and next years first for simmons and harris

we were guessing for Buddy,Bagley for Harris
phil is not gonna take Fox and one first for simmons- not gonna happen

 

[pdxKingsFan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1422254419811373060

Dallas now in the awkward position of being the max cap space team that no one apparently wants to go to

I still would love to have Luka over anyone else in the 2018 draft but what the hell is going on here that can be explained by anything other than maybe other stars aren't all that interested in being second banana to the guy? Their FO and coaching situation is in a bit of disarray but that is not unrelated.

Obviously this would not be a problem in a FA desert like Sacramento but Dallas is supposed to have that magical zero tax advantage.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

phil is not gonna take Fox and one first for simmons- not gonna happen

That's ok because I wouldn't take Simmons and their first for Fox.

 

[The_Jamal]

Fox is good friends with Vanderbilt.

Love everything about it. Can defend at the 4/5, has a real talent for rebounding, plays with a high motor/energy, legitmately good weak-side rim protector, has the athleticism to switch out onto the perimeter, fits the age curve. Offensively, he's basically a finisher in the dunker spot, but does have some interesting passing/transition ball-handling talent. Mitchell, Vanderbilt and Holmes is one hell of a way to change your culture on defense and drastically change our weak-minded mentality on that end.

The big wart is he absolutely no sense of a shot right now. But honestly, who cares? He's 22 and he's got a chance to be a unicorn big defender. For a team that's coming off the worst defensive season in NBA history he's a guy you make the investment in on defense and work around on offense.

 

[Tetsujin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1422262843336904726

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I believe 4/47 is the max we can offer.

It all depends on what the max Early Bird works out to. I haven't seen the numbers yet, so it's hard to say. If it comes out to exactly $11M (not implausible) then a max 4-year Early Bird contract with 8% raises is $49.28M.

 

[Padrino]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1422254419811373060

Dallas now in the awkward position of being the max cap space team that no one apparently wants to go to

Dallas is going to suffer from the same problem Houston suffered during the height of James Harden's powers. There aren't a lot of high usage stars that want to play with another star whose usage rate tops the entire NBA. If it's a chance to win a title with Lebron, some will take it, because Lebron has managed to win a few titles. He's got the kind of clout that matters in the NBA. A guy like Harden hasn't been so fortunate. He hasn't sniffed the Finals yet. And he had to force his way into a "Big Three" because nobody wanted to play with him long-term in Houston.

Likewise, Luka hasn't gotten out of the first round with the Mavericks, and his usage rate squeezes out the possibility of other ball handlers thriving alongside him. What assurances do Lowry or Derozan have of either individual or team success in Dallas? None of this is to knock Luka. He is still so young. He is phenomenal. He is unique. But strangely enough, he's almost too unique. He got too good too fast for the pace of team-building in the NBA. Now Dallas has to scramble to construct a winner around him with very few tools to do so, and no free agents are beating down their door to play with the Slovenian wunderkind.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Love everything about it. Can defend at the 4/5, has a real talent for rebounding, plays with a high motor/energy, legitmately good weak-side rim protector, has the athleticism to switch out onto the perimeter, fits the age curve. Offensively, he's basically a finisher in the dunker spot, but does have some interesting passing/transition ball-handling talent. Mitchell, Vanderbilt and Holmes is one hell of a way to change your culture on defense and drastically change our weak-minded mentality on that end.

The big wart is he absolutely no sense of a shot right now. But honestly, who cares? He's 22 and he's got a chance to be a unicorn big defender. For a team that's coming off the worst defensive season in NBA history he's a guy you make the investment in on defense and work around on offense.

But the implication was that Vanderbilt could be looking at getting a large chunk (if not all) of somebody's MLE. Would a contract that high be worth it, and would it be bidding against ourselves?

 

[Tetsujin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1422229145220702212

more on thenHarris front

 

[The_Jamal]

But the implication was that Vanderbilt could be looking at getting a large chunk (if not all) of somebody's MLE. Would a contract that high be worth it, and would it be bidding against ourselves?

I'd pay it. His defensive profile paired with his energy/rebound ability doesn't come around very often in Free Agency at age 22. And while the offense is limited right now, he still finished the year with a 61% TS.