2018 Draft - the morning after (split)

[Gguod]

I've been replying to you ockingsfan, but I'm not aiming to pick on you. You're a good starting point.

I am speaking about the bare minimum expectations Kings fans have and the way the organization routinely abuses those low expectations. The Kings routinely lie to the fans. They say things that are ridiculous and expect the fans and press just to nod along. It's the only constant variable over the years of losing.

Exactly. The post draft press conference is a good example. Our Gm was questionned on how he have used a lot of draft captial on bigs and his answer was that "all the bigs can play 3 too". The fact that no one questionned him about that, no one calling his bs, no one saying that its just insulting to a fanbase to expect them to be so stupid thah they believe that, its just sad to me. When you dont demand intelligence and excellence as a fanbase, this is what you get: a rookie gm trying to sell wcs, skal and co capable of playing 3 in todays Nba without any consequences

 

[VF21]

I've been replying to you ockingsfan, but I'm not aiming to pick on you. You're a good starting point.

I am speaking about the bare minimum expectations Kings fans have and the way the organization routinely abuses those low expectations. The Kings routinely lie to the fans. They say things that are ridiculous and expect the fans and press just to nod along. It's the only constant variable over the years of losing.

I'm not ockingsfan, but I will interject one thing. I don't pay to see the front office or listen very much to what they say. I pay to watch a bunch of very talented individuals take the court and play the game I have loved for half a century. You make it sound as though the stands are filled with simpletons. A LOT of Kings fans are not interested in micromanaging the team. They quite honestly couldn't care less about who is drafted as long as it's someone with talent. They don't hang on every word on social media or in the press. They just come to watch the games. If they keep coming, it's pretty obvious they're satisfied that they're getting their money's worth. At the end of the day, sports is just entertainment. I think sometimes we all forget about that fact.

 

[VF21]

Exactly. The post draft press conference is a good example. Our Gm was questionned on how he have used a lot of draft captial on bigs and his answer was that "all the bigs can play 3 too". The fact that no one questionned him about that, no one calling his bs, no one saying that its just insulting to a fanbase to expect them to be so stupid thah they believe that, its just sad to me. When you dont demand intelligence and excellence as a fanbase, this is what you get: a rookie gm trying to sell wcs, skal and co capable of playing 3 in todays Nba without any consequences

Speak for yourself and not the fanbase. It's only insulting if you want to be insulted. If you're a realist, you understand Vlade is not about to get into some in-depth discussion of his logic for picking Bagley right after the draft any more than Joerger would get into in-depth analysis of his rotational scheme right after a loss. What's stupid to me is that some fans think just because they want a question answered that it has to be answered.

Demand intelligence and excellence as a fanbase? BY WHOSE YARDSTICK? I understood what Vlade was saying. To an extent, he's actually right. In the NBA of today, positions are becoming less and less important. We might put a big out there with two other bigs and two guards at some point. It doesn't mean it'll happen every night but who's to say we won't see it?

I apologize if I'm sounding harsh but this is all just beyond ridiculous.

 

[Kingster]

Those who are bummed about not getting Doncic, go find an interview with Coach K where he talks about Bagley. Highest praise he could possibly give to Bagley. Thinks he’s going to one of the best during his era. And of course, those who are salty will say he is just talking up his own guy and that is what they all do. Not true on that front, they don’t go out on a limb for one guy and speak a false narrative. Doing so trashes his credibility and ruins it for the next player.

My 1a was Doncic, Bagley was 1b. Can’t wait to see Bagley play.

The word he used was "great." I'll take that from Coach K.

 

[Purple&BlackAttack7494]

New member here...I wanted Doncic, but Bagley was my 2nd choice. As a result, I will live with Bagley being a King. For now.

 

[Gguod]

Speak for yourself and not the fanbase. It's only insulting if you want to be insulted. If you're a realist, you understand Vlade is not about to get into some in-depth discussion of his logic for picking Bagley right after the draft any more than Joerger would get into in-depth analysis of his rotational scheme right after a loss. What's stupid to me is that some fans think just because they want a question answered that it has to be answered.

Demand intelligence and excellence as a fanbase? BY WHOSE YARDSTICK? I understood what Vlade was saying. To an extent, he's actually right. In the NBA of today, positions are becoming less and less important. We might put a big out there with two other bigs and two guards at some point. It doesn't mean it'll happen every night but who's to say we won't see it?

I apologize if I'm sounding harsh but this is all just beyond ridiculous.

To me its very insulting to except a fan be okay with Vlade saying how Wcs or Skal can play 3. If you dont want to answer a question about drafting so many bigs, try to get out of it by giving a no answer like "we take the best possible players and let them battle it out". Thinking that this fan base is gullible enough to buy that "all of our bigs can play 3" is insulting imo. If you find that ridiculous, thats okay but that answer most certainly was just stupid.

 

[VF21]

To me its very insulting to except a fan be okay with Vlade saying how Wcs or Skal can play 3. If you dont want to answer a question about drafting so many bigs, try to get out of it by giving a no answer like "we take the best possible players and let them battle it out". Thinking that this fan base is gullible enough to buy that "all of our bigs can play 3" is insulting imo. If you find that ridiculous, thats okay but that answer most certainly was just stupid.

I get it, you're insulted. Well, I don't know what to tell you. Perceiving insult where I'm pretty sure none was intended is a personal choice, one I don't happen to agree with.

You think the answer was stupid. I don't. There's obviously no need to continue in this vein. Have a good day.

 

[swisshh]

Settle down. Let fans voice their concern. That's how you get results.

Most fans watch to see the team win. That's the basic crux of sports fandom.

 

[VF21]

Settle down. Let fans voice their concern. That's how you get results.

Most fans watch to see the team win. That's the basic crux of sports fandom.

Excuse me? I'm posting as fan. If I weren't it would be bolded and in red.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Like many others, really wanted Doncic but it's also really easy to like Marvin. Here is the interview with Coach K a few have mentioned

 

[hoops4kings]

Grant said he asked Vlade about the Bagley playing the 3 comment and Vlade said he meant in certain situations he is a versatile player. But his natural positions are the 4 and some 5.

 

[est.1999]

Am I the only one skeptical of Marvin’s height? Doesn’t look 6’11” to me.

 

[Gliesian]

I thought it was pretty obvious Vlade said that just so he wouldn't hurt his current bigs' feelings. It would have been worse if he said, "Well we're looking to trade Willie or Skal! Next question." It's really not a big deal.

 

[Gary]

Still processing this draft. Not real happy about the pick. Wish we got Trae Young. Can't wait to see Young play in the NBA. I'm telling you, he's going be a star. As for Bagley? Meh. I don't see him making us better by himself as someone playing off the ball, and I don't see Fox lighting it up. Fox probably puts up 13/6 and bagley 12/8.

 

[roasthawg]

Exactly. The post draft press conference is a good example. Our Gm was questionned on how he have used a lot of draft captial on bigs and his answer was that "all the bigs can play 3 too". The fact that no one questionned him about that, no one calling his bs, no one saying that its just insulting to a fanbase to expect them to be so stupid thah they believe that, its just sad to me. When you dont demand intelligence and excellence as a fanbase, this is what you get: a rookie gm trying to sell wcs, skal and co capable of playing 3 in todays Nba without any consequences

Grant cleared it up on the radio today. Said he questioned Vlade about that and he said it wasn't his intention to mislead people into thinking Bagley or the others could play the three. He said he meant that in certain lineups against certain teams all of them are capable of guarding the three. He said Bagley is a 4/5.

 

[roasthawg]

Still processing this draft. Not real happy about the pick. Wish we got Trae Young. Can't wait to see Young play in the NBA. I'm telling you, he's going be a star. As for Bagley? Meh. I don't see him making us better by himself as someone playing off the ball, and I don't see Fox lighting it up. Fox probably puts up 13/6 and bagley 12/8.

Fox puts up 15/6 and Bagley 16/9

 

[kingdivac]

No chance does Luka have higher upside than bagley. Luka is safe... He'll be somewhere in the hedo/Manu/Hayward range. The sky is the limit with Bagley though, he doesn't have the athletic constraints Doncic has and is really skilled for a guy that size that can move and jump like he does.

"No chance" and the "the sky is the limit".....I disagree; especially with these phrases.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Am I the only one skeptical of Marvin’s height? Doesn’t look 6’11” to me.

I think he looks about 6'9

 

[Nokidding]

If Bagley is a faster, bouncier(is that a word?) version of Z-Bo he's going to be a very very good player.

Hopefully Z-Bo's game around the rim with taller Shawn Marion athletic ability

 

[VF21]

Am I the only one skeptical of Marvin’s height? Doesn’t look 6’11” to me.

I posted a picture of him standing next to Vlade. I think he's legit close to 7'.

 

[VF21]

Grant cleared it up on the radio today. Said he questioned Vlade about that and he said it wasn't his intention to mislead people into thinking Bagley or the others could play the three. He said he meant that in certain lineups against certain teams all of them are capable of guarding the three. He said Bagley is a 4/5.

Thank you.

 

[Gguod]

Yeah coach k
Grant cleared it up on the radio today. Said he questioned Vlade about that and he said it wasn't his intention to mislead people into thinking Bagley or the others could play the three. He said he meant that in certain lineups against certain teams all of them are capable of guarding the three. He said Bagley is a 4/5.

Good thing someone questioned him about that and that ridiculousness didnt just slip past everyone. It shouldnt be assumed this fanbase is that ignorant it could believe bs like Wcs, Skak or Bagley being able to play 3.

 

[VF21]

Good thing someone questioned him about that and that ridiculousness didnt just slip past everyone. It shouldnt be assumed this fanbase is that ignorant it could believe like Wcs, Skak or Bagley being able to play 3.

What was ridiculous was how it was being interpreted by some. Why do I feel like I'm suddenly in Groundhog Day?

 

[jcassio]

How was this the safe pick. When all the writers and 70% of your fan base think Luka’s the guy it hardly seems the safe pick to take Bagley. Vlade went on a limb and will be the hero or the goat.

How do we (you) know how the fan base feels about wanting to draft Doncic? Or do you think Kingsfans posters represent the fan base? Cause they don't.

 

[jcassio]

I think he looks about 6'9

I think he looks 6 feet max. I was looking up at him, which made him seem tall, so I decided to penalize him by a foot. So he's 6 foot max.

 

[est.1999]

I posted a picture of him standing next to Vlade. I think he's legit close to 7'.

Really? I’ve seen him next to Vlade, he looks considerably smaller than Vlade.

 

[roasthawg]

Really? I’ve seen him next to Vlade, he looks considerably smaller than Vlade.

Two inches shorter than Vlade is my estimation from that picture.

 

[Gguod]

What was ridiculous was how it was being interpreted by some. Why do I feel like I'm suddenly in Groundhog Day?

As a statement its ridiculous. No other way to put it

 

[allrightythen]

In all of the draft pictures he looks a little taller than Wendell Carter who measured 6'10" in shoes.

 

[Telemachus]

Look I like what Coach K said but a coach bad mouthing a player will make recruiting harder

There is a very big difference between bad mouthing a player and calling him the most talented big man you have EVER coached.