Well, if Kings liked two guys, who they brought in, that wouldn't last till #59, and Baldwin lasts till #12, #8 for #12, Thabo and #44 makes sense, so Kings come away with Baldwin, Thabo and Robert Carter from this draft. #8 for #12 and #21 works as well, but Kings didn't take a closer look at anyone likely available in the 20s.
Looks like Kings had no interest in Teague, at least a year rental.
Well, I guess, we are on the opposite sides of the spectrum on Baldwin. No need to argue ad nauseam. We'll have to wait and see. One last remark though: 20-y.o. with good work ethic do improve.Sefolosha is a 32 year old defensive specialist on a 1 year deal. Baldwin doesn't look like he can play PG in the NBA to me -- his ball handling is a major weakness right now and that's supposed to be your primary playmaker on the floor. Personally, I think that would be a disaster on par with the Jimmer/Salmons trade.
Well, I guess, we are on the opposite sides of the spectrum on Baldwin. No need to argue ad nauseam. We'll have to wait and see. One last remark though: 20-y.o. with good work ethic do improve.
P.S. In the second part of this season, when Baldwin finally got to be a full-time PG, his TOV% dropped from 20%, he had for 1.5 seasons, to 16.5%, and that's over better half of the schedule. Kris Dunn finished last 2 years with 4.5 TOs per 40 minutes during Conference play. Baldwin this year - with 3.3.
Actually up to this point only #3, 6 and 7 were reported to be actively discussed, since I don't believe a package based around #5 for Butler talks to be a discussion, more like one-way monologue.
Sabonis doesn't offer anything at all in terms of rim protection, although he does look surprisingly decent on perimeter. His post offense will most likely fail to carry over due to over-reliance on power advantage, that will not be there in the pros. Sabonis is pretty skilled, he just did, what team asked him to do, and played inside all the time, but we just don't know, how effective he is playing face-up.
And Joerger doesn't have the preference for 2 post players, he just tried to put his best players on the floor as much as possible like any good coach would do. Remember, that the last couple of years Joerger worked with FO, that didn't choose him, so its' not like they were rushing to accommodate his every request, if there were any.
Memphis fans have complained about this.
Memphis can be a vet team, but it doesn't mean the coach should ignore his younger guys. Developing talent falls on both Memphis FO and coaching. Out of their big 3, only Z-Bo is out of his prime.
Just because they are an established vet team should not mean they ignore younger guys. I hope this is not the same attitude Joeger brings here. Look at Indiana and Frank Vogel. He already had a very good team of Roy Hibbert, Danny Grangers, and David West who were all in the middle of their prime.
He made no hesitation to bring in rookie Paul George and rookie hothead Lance Stephenson. That's what Joeger probably should've done. Joegs gets a lot of credit for his defensive coaching, but he gets 0 for his development. It's pretty poor.
Well, I guess, we are on the opposite sides of the spectrum on Baldwin. No need to argue ad nauseam. We'll have to wait and see. One last remark though: 20-y.o. with good work ethic do improve.
P.S. In the second part of this season, when Baldwin finally got to be a full-time PG, his TOV% dropped from 20%, he had for 1.5 seasons, to 16.5%, and that's over better half of the schedule. Kris Dunn finished last 2 years with 4.5 TOs per 40 minutes during Conference play. Baldwin this year - with 3.3.
Agreed......also agree with the theory that you can't have more than 2 rookies in camp or on your roster.....and 2 can be problematic also. They don't know what they are doing yet and giving them time or developing them puts you at risk of losing games. Ainge has come out and said he needs high level vets and not more young guys. The guy who has 8 picks in the draft. What a dilemma for Boston.Really? First off, very few head coaches that have a team full of veterans give much time to rookies. Gerald Wallace had to beg for minutes when he was on the Kings. Secondly, there were only three young players worth mentioning, and they were Jordan Adams, who played in two game and then was injured and out for the season. Jamychal Green, who was in his second season and he averaged 18:32 mpg. The third was Jarell Martin who averaged 14 mpg. So they did get minutes and contributed. Martin is a PF and unfortunately for him, so is Green, so they split the minutes behind Zbo. So frankly, when you say that Joerger failed in developing young players, I don't know what your talking about.
Once when Adelman was asked what he thought of rookies, he said they get head coaches fired.
Oh for sure. He can certainly improve with hard work. You may be right about Baldwin -- I have Luwawu ranked very highly based on his potential and he's got a lot of work to do as well before he gets there. The big hangup for me with Baldwin is the PG position. I evaluate wings and lead guards differently. What I'm primarily looking for in a PG is ballhandling ability and court vision. After that physical tools, defensive mentality, and leadership qualities separate the good prospects from the elite ones. If Baldwin can't put pressure on the defense with his dribble it makes it that much harder for him to get his shot off and he doesn't have a particularly quick release either. If your requirement for the PG position is somebody who can defend, swing the ball, and hit spot-up threes than Baldwin may not be as far away as I think he is. With the right mentality anyone can improve, I just don't like the odds looking at where he is now and where he'll need to be to excel as a lead guard.
Agreed......also agree with the theory that you can't have more than 2 rookies in camp or on your roster.....and 2 can be problematic also. They don't know what they are doing yet and giving them time or developing them puts you at risk of losing games. Ainge has come out and said he needs high level vets and not more young guys. The guy who has 8 picks in the draft. What a dilemma for Boston.
Ahh, decided to just drop it. Didn't add to discussion in this thread.Really? First off, very few head coaches that have a team full of veterans give much time to rookies. Gerald Wallace had to beg for minutes when he was on the Kings. Secondly, there were only three young players worth mentioning, and they were Jordan Adams, who played in two game and then was injured and out for the season. Jamychal Green, who was in his second season and he averaged 18:32 mpg. The third was Jarell Martin who averaged 14 mpg. So they did get minutes and contributed. Martin is a PF and unfortunately for him, so is Green, so they split the minutes behind Zbo. So frankly, when you say that Joerger failed in developing young players, I don't know what your talking about.
Once when Adelman was asked what he thought of rookies, he said they get head coaches fired.
I think it might have to do with teams higher in the draft preferring a non-stash player. Korkmaz has a higher ceiling than Luwawu, but Luwawu heavily benefited by being able to play freely. He had the opportunity to showcase his entire skillset without being limited to a strict role.I don't get how some people have Luwawu ranked higher than Korkmaz. Both are 6'7". both are very good athletes, but Korkmaz is a better three point shooter, he's a better ball handler, and despite being only 185 pounds, he's a better finisher in traffic. I also think he has a better feel for the game. I have him ahead of Luwawu on my board. I guess we'll see tomorrow.
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Kings not a coveted destination among draftees & agents - true. But told that Kings have medicals on EVERY player in the draft.
I'm going to go on record and say Wade Baldwin should be the guy for us (he's now dropped to 14th on DraftExpress -- a bit shocking actually as that is right on the cusp of being out of the lottery), barring any sudden drops from big names -- if Dunn drops, that's a no brainer. He's barely 20, a good/great athlete with great size, a very solid all around game, and has great potential. He's got things to work on, but which prospect at 20 years old doesn't? He's got a good head on his shoulders, which makes me believe he will only improve his game.
A huge x-factor for me is Brown... he's got all-star potential (maybe more), but can he put it all together? He's got a lot of holes in his game that he needs to work on, but age is on his side. If all the stars align, you have yourself a great player, but if they don't, he will be a bench player at best. Just too much risk, IMO, and given our history of not being able to develop players, I don't take Brown (but it's still a close call).
Hoping we can swing a trade and move up a few spots for him or Hield!It's DRAFT DAY!!!!
If you read that backwards, it spells Kris Dunn!
About that...Hoping we can swing a trade and move up a few spots for him or Hield!
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Dunn goes #3, calling it right now. I'm hoping for Jaylen Brown to drop. If you squint real hard, the dialogue around him reminds me a tiny bit of a young Cuz. I think they would work well together. Or they'd hate each other but either way, i'm willing to roll the dice