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Wolters was a first round pick for me even before this season started. Good to see people finally noticing.
2013 Draft Prospects
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Darth Divac
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Just what we need, another scorer...He probably will be a solid player, just not on this team, like Brooks.
bajaden
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Wolters is a PG, and a dammed good one. The only time he tries to score is when his team hits a roadblock, and needs a pick me up. You might want to watch a player play for a while before making statements about him. On a side note, I'am totally confused by a lot of the people on the fourms. They treat the ability to score the ball as though its a desease. Just in case there's some doubt about the game, the team that puts the ball in the basket the most times wins the game. The idea that you are seaching for a PG that can't shoot the ball and can't score if you need it just blows my mind. Chris Paul is an excellent PG, and last time I checked, he wasn't a bad scorer either.
Dime Dropper
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On a side note, McLemore had 24 points in Kansas' win over Texas Tech, including a dunk from almost the free throw line. He's continuing to impress. He could easily go first, but could also slip to third (or lower) if Cleveland and Washington get the first two picks.
Looking forward to Oklahoma St. vs Baylor in 25 minutes. Good chance to see both Smart and Austin. Unfortunately it's not on TV so I'll have to watch it online. I also like Markel Brown as a mid-late 2nd rounder, and I'm a big fan of Cory Jefferson in that range, although I don't know if he'll come out this year (he's a Junior, but already 22 - I think he should probably come out this year). He puts up 12pts, 8 boards and 2 blocks per. He's an excellent athlete, shows a few moves around the basket, and has improved every year. Unfortunately he's not young, so his upside may be limited. But as a potential partner for Cuz at PF, he fits the bill perfectly, so a look in the 2nd round would be worth it, if he declares.
Looking forward to Oklahoma St. vs Baylor in 25 minutes. Good chance to see both Smart and Austin. Unfortunately it's not on TV so I'll have to watch it online. I also like Markel Brown as a mid-late 2nd rounder, and I'm a big fan of Cory Jefferson in that range, although I don't know if he'll come out this year (he's a Junior, but already 22 - I think he should probably come out this year). He puts up 12pts, 8 boards and 2 blocks per. He's an excellent athlete, shows a few moves around the basket, and has improved every year. Unfortunately he's not young, so his upside may be limited. But as a potential partner for Cuz at PF, he fits the bill perfectly, so a look in the 2nd round would be worth it, if he declares.
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Dime Dropper
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This Baylor/Ok St. game is crazy. Pierre Jackson led Baylor back and it's level with 3 seconds left, but Ok St just got bailed out big time. At the line now.
bajaden
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Exciting game to watch. Jackson had a great game, but unfortunately it wasn't enough. Not a particularly great game for Smart. Didn't shoot the ball that well, and only a couple of assists to go with quite a few turnovers. He played good defense though. Right now, McLemore is probably number one on the mock draft boards, and deservingly so. He has a couple of holes in his game, but he could come in and contribute to a team right now. Smart is still rough around a lot of edges. Great athlete with tons of potential though.
Not a great game by Porter, but still very effective and solid. Should be a good one today between Georgetown and Syracuse..
Dime Dropper
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Agreed on all counts. What do think of Cory Jefferson? And LeBryan Nash? I'd never been a fan of the latter, but I'd been semi warming to him over the past couple weeks as he's played some good games. However after seeing his interview after the game last night, I don't want him. He didn't say anything awful or anything like that, but he strikes me as having a bad attitude and thinking he's far better than he is.
Vlade4GM
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The 2014 has the potential to be by far the most dominant class since 2003. I can't wait to see the '13 HS class in college. Wiggins, Parker, Andrew Harrison, and Randle all seem like potential all-stars to me. Obviously, who knows who will ultimately declare and how they will perform in college, but as far as I can tell right now, it can be a historic draft.
Sorry, just had to gush.
Sorry, just had to gush.
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Kingster
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Ditto. I don't get it either.
Darth Divac
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Imagine if we got Andrew Wiggins....*Salivates*
I think it's a side-effect of watching a team that's overflowing with guards who shoot the ball every time they touch it. If this were the Chicago Bulls fan board and we were desperate for someone who can score, it would be a different story. But you're right that it is reactionary and the fault doesn't lie with the players but with the roster. In fact, the reason I'm so in favor of trading Marcus Thornton isn't that I don't like him as a player, it's that there are other teams that need scoring and need SGs and he's a proven commodity. Incidentally it's more or less the same reason that any mention of an undersized PF, even a very productive one, around here elicits screams and death threats. (I might be exaggerating, slightly.
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bajaden
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I think it's a side-effect of watching a team that's overflowing with guards who shoot the ball every time they touch it. If this were the Chicago Bulls fan board and we were desperate for someone who can score, it would be a different story. But you're right that it is reactionary and the fault doesn't lie with the players but with the roster. In fact, the reason I'm so in favor of trading Marcus Thornton isn't that I don't like him as a player, it's that there are other teams that need scoring and need SGs and he's a proven commodity. Incidentally it's more or less the same reason that any mention of an undersized PF, even a very productive one, around here elicits screams and death threats. (I might be exaggerating, slightly.
No, your right, and I understand that. I'm still trying to find out at what height a PF becomes a normal sized PF. People throw that label around so quickly without even knowing anything about a player. Right now, most of my attention, is, or at least was, on big men, and specificly SF's and PF's with defensive capabilities. And of course one SF leaps out and thats Porter. After that, just about everyone else at the SF position is a gamble in some way. At the PF position, after Noel, the first one that comes to mind is Willie Cauley-Stein, who I'm liking more and more, and who would most likely be available when we pick. Although Stein is a center, he's more than athletic enough to fill the same role that Dalembert filled. Probably a bit of a reach, but you never know. I think your the one that said it. If we keep winning games, we might be picking around 8th or 9th, and at that spot, it wouldn't be that much of a reach.
Ironicly, the one thing we really don't need is more guards, and the draft is deep in guards. Go figure.
bajaden
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Next years college season should be one of the best in some time. Wiggins and Parker are at the top of the class, but either of the Harrison twins, Randle, Aaron Gordon, Noah Vonleh or James Young, would all have a shot at being the number one pick in this years draft. Either Wiggins or Parker would be a shoo in for the number one spot. The 2013 class is just loaded with SF's and PF's.
Darth Divac
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bajaden
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I'm not a big fan of Nash. Mr. inconsistency. He's sort of like a SF with a PF's game. He's a terrible outside shooter, and except for the occasional game where he looks like the best player in the universe, he's been a disappointment. Jefferson, I like. However, I'm not sure what position he plays. Always hard to tell with Baylor where the three inside guys are interchangable. But there are many times when he's the best player on the team. He added the 3 pt shot to his arsenal this season, although he hasn't taken many of them. I can see him as a SF at the next level, but he really has a lot of work to do on his outside shot and his ballhandling. Austin really struggled in that last game. I think it would serve him well to stay another year at Baylor.
Dime Dropper
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Porter with a nightmare ending to his short career at Uconn.
If you're talking about Otto Porter he's on Georgetown not UCONN and the NCAA tournament hasn't even started yet so his college career is definitely not over. He made a mistake at the end of OT which cost his team a critical possession, but he also hit the two free throws which tied the game and sent it to overtime in the first place. He had a two week run where he was dominating everybody but the last week of the season he's reverted back to the at-times overly passive player who was projected as a mid first-rounder at the start of the season. McLemore didn't have a particularly good game today either. Cody Zeller maybe made up a little ground with his big game, but the top 6 or 7 guys in the draft are so evenly rated right now that a big tournament and combine could be what separates somebody from the pack. I wouldn't count out anybody yet.
Dime Dropper
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I was talking about Otto, and you'll have to forgive me, it's extremely late here and I'm sleep deprived. Hey, I wasn't criticising Porter, I've had a chance to watch a few extra Georgetown games that I'd recorded and I'm in agreement with his supporters. He's pretty much the perfect fit for us at SF. And G'Town didn't get him the ball near enough to get him into a rhythm - no good giving him the ball late and expecting him to produce when he'd effectively been iced out of the game before that. This has been a tough week for a few prospects, with both Smart and McLemore (as you mentioned) playing worse than usual in their last games. As for the tournament, I have no idea what I was thinking as I can't even remember writing that.
On that note, I should probably get some sleep!
I was talking about Otto, and you'll have to forgive me, it's extremely late here and I'm sleep deprived. Hey, I wasn't criticising Porter, I've had a chance to watch a few extra Georgetown games that I'd recorded and I'm in agreement with his supporters. He's pretty much the perfect fit for us at SF. And G'Town didn't get him the ball near enough to get him into a rhythm - no good giving him the ball late and expecting him to produce when he'd effectively been iced out of the game before that. This has been a tough week for a few prospects, with both Smart and McLemore (as you mentioned) playing worse than usual in their last games. As for the tournament, I have no idea what I was thinking as I can't even remember writing that.
Heh, maybe. Sleep is the cure for many ills.
Just don't forget Kansas has another game at 3pm PST tomorrow.
bajaden
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I'm assuming your talking about Otto. Georgetown should make the tournament even though they didn't win their conference trounament, so its not quite the end of his career at Georgetown. The team that probably won't make the tournament now, after their loss to Vandy is the current NCAA champions, Kentucky. Damm shame! All they had to do was beat Vanderbilt, and they were in. Now, they're really on the bubble.
bajaden
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I pretty much agree with you. Personally, I think Zeller is struggling today against Berggren, who has made life miserable for him. I'm still not sold on Zeller. Just about every time he has to play against someone as big or bigger than him, he struggles. He always seems to rebound the ball well though. I thought McLemore played OK. I think he only took around 5 shots yesterday and made 4 of them. He also grabbed 6 or 7 boards. Ellis got hot in that game and they kept going to him. Porter definitely had one of his worse games, but it happens to the best of them.
I'll tell you this. No one wants to play Wisconsin in the tournament. No real stars on the team, unless you count Berggren as one, but man to they play well as a team. Very dangerous team going into the Tourney.
Edit: I forget to mention Smart. Two bad games in a row. Very few assists and a lot of turnovers, along with not shooting the ball well. He really needs to step it up in the tournament.
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Dime Dropper
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Yep, if you'd scrolled down you'd have seen the clarification.
As for Smart, I couldn't agree more. He needs to step it up if Oklahoma State are going to go deep. Nash is not good enough to be their standout player. Although in the interest of fairness, it should be pointed out that Smart, as always, he contributed in other ways with 6 boards and 3 steals. 2 TOs in his last game isn't too bad, but he did shoot poorly despite having 18 points.
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MassachusettsKingsFan
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How do people feel about Anthony Bennett? He screams 'undersized dominant college PF who will struggle in the NBA' to me.
I wouldn't draft him under just about any scenario, but I'm curious what others think of him. Am I missing something?
I wouldn't draft him under just about any scenario, but I'm curious what others think of him. Am I missing something?
Darth Divac
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SF is what I think of him.
Vlade4GM
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He's a PF to me, he doesn't have the perimeter skills to be a quality SF, he just has good perimeter skills for a PF. He shouldn't make the same mistake Mitchell is making. He's got the length and athleticism to make for his size, although he'll probably never be good on the defensive end. I like him, he seems like a Larry Johnson/Millsap type, but I don't think I really see him fitting on the Kings.
Double-K
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Darth Divac said:
Bennett could potentially be built into a good NBA SF. He's 6'7" with 7'1" wingspan, 230 pounds. That makes him perfect for SF, but undersized for PF.
He shoots 54% from mid range. He likes to operate from the triple-threat position and drive down to the basket, but need to improve his free throw, his passing and ball-handling.
Another thing I'd be worried about him is that he has athleticism (he's strong and fast enough to overpower a lot of NBA SF) but not very motivated to defense.
He actually reminds me of another UNLV alma mater Larry Johnson...
bajaden
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First off, if I knew he'd be another Larry Johnson, I'd draft him in a heartbeat. That dude was almost unstopable under the basket. I saw him screw one player after another into the floor. But that aside, I pretty much agree with everything you said. He has all the makings of SF except for a few holes in his game for that position. In some ways he reminds me of Kawhi Leonard, who played PF at San Diego St. I always thought of him as a SF and thats where he's playing today. He was knocked for similar reasons as Bennett.
There's no doubt that Bennett would be a bit of a project for a while, but as you stated, he has a good midrange game, and he's a good straight line attacker of the basket. He's not at the top of my list, but he's certainly a talent.
bajaden
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Wow, what a game today by Shane Larkin, the PG for Miami. I'll tell you, the Hurricanes are a very dangerous team. No one, including me, had them going anywhere in their conference this year, and they've beat the pants off just about everyone. Anyway, Larkin played all 40 minutes and scored 29 points on 8 of 15 shooting including 4 of 7 from the three. He added 5 rebounds, 2 steals and 7 assists. He just may be the second best PG behind Burke. He's a sophmore, so he may decide to go back to Miami for another year. Maybe! The Hurricanes are losing most of the team, so he just might decide to come out this year.
My advise to most of the players about declaring, is that if you can get good feedback from scouts, you might be better coming out this year, because next year the draft is really loaded, and if your a low 1st round pick this year, you might end up being a mid 2nd round pick next year.
My advise to most of the players about declaring, is that if you can get good feedback from scouts, you might be better coming out this year, because next year the draft is really loaded, and if your a low 1st round pick this year, you might end up being a mid 2nd round pick next year.
Leonard had better handles and passing, plus his physical profile with better quicks and less strength fit well into NBA SF model.
Darth Divac
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I hope that Noel falls to us in the draft. We need his shot blocking and defense, and being on this team, he'll eventually learn how to play offense correctly.
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