Why does it have to be any of those guys? And whats wrong with McLemore? Or Noel? Or Porter? And I wince at the thought of us drafting Muhammad as well. I do like Burke, but I'm betting he'll go somewhere in the teens, and after our pick.
I thought Kabongo got a raw deal from the NCAA, but is playing pretty well right now. I liked him coming out of highschool, and this was susposed to be his breakout year until the NCAA stepped in and screwed things up for him. If your looking for a pass first PG he fills the bill. He's not a bad shooter, and he's a very good athlete, and has decent size, at least in height, for the position. He definitely needs to get stronger though. I don't think Texas having a bad year is helping his case in the draft, and its likely Texas won't make the tournament either, so he won't get any extra exposure.
I like him, and I definitely think he can play in the NBA. And although he was projected as a 1st round pick coming out of highschool, its likely he'll get drafted in the second round now.
Ahhh, since Len is a 7'1" center, I doubt well play him at SF. I think Len can be pretty good down the road. He's not bad now, and he plays on a team loaded with shoot happy guards. There are games where he only gets 5 or 6 shots the whole game despite the fact that he has the highest shooting percentage on the team. Don't expect Aldrich to be here next season!.
Well you never really know until put him up against some of the quicker PG's in the NBA. But if I had to guess, I'd say yes. Smart is a terrific athlete. He, McLemore and Oladipo are all outstanding defenders. I know that Smart is a PG and both McLemore and Oladipo are SG's. As a matter of fact, Oladipo can guard some SF's because he's 6'6" and has a huge wingspan. Porter is a good defender as well at the SF position. Right now you have about 5 guys that are almost interchangable for the top five in the draft, and anyone of them could be number one, depending on a teams needs. Noel was the consensus number one until he tore his ACL.
If we end up picking 7th or 8th, its hard to say who might be there. Muhammad might break into the top five. Or someone desperate for a center might take a gamble on Len in the top five. When you get a group of around 10 or 11 players that are all close to being equal in skill level to some degree, it becomes hard to predict who will go where. I'm sticking with my wish list right now. Noel, Porter, McLemore, Olapido, Smart, Len, Bennett, Stein, Zeller, Muhammad. Thats not how they'll get drafted of course, but thats the order I would take them. By the way, I see Anthony Bennett as a SF in the NBA. I know he plays PF at UNLV, but he's a very good athlete, and he already has a good jumpshot.
It has to be any of those guys because we already have a pretty good frontcourt (with the exception of the SF position). Noel is a center, and he's probably going number 1, so even if he was still on the board by our pick, I wouldn't draft him for fear of how making him play out of position would work out. Mclemore, same thing, we already have two good and proven SG's. Otto Porter would be great, but it's almost a guarantee that he'll go before our pick. My pick would be either Porter or Smart, who are both unfortunately going to go ahead of our pick, which leaves Muhammad and Burke as our best options. Out of those two, I would pick Burke. He's a passer, and would definitely pit in nicely next to Tyreke. He's projected to go ninth overall, so he wouldn't be far from our pick. I think with us projected to get number 6, he's the best and safest option.
So you want a backup center when we could get Otto Porter, Marcus Smart or Trey Burke?
Your speaking in generalities and not specifics. Yes, I would take Noel over any of those players, but not Len. I would take Porter second, and McLemore third, even though I have McLemore at number one on my board right now, subject to change. As I said before, I would take Burke over Smart if I wanted a PG. I could be dead wrong, but I'm not sold on Smart yet, and I've seen him play at least 15 or 16 times so far. On a team overloaded with guards, the last thing we need is another guard, unless he's very special, and I think McLemore is going to be special. I'm also very high on Oladipo. Of course this is just my humble opinion, and its free!![]()
It's not that I don't like them. If it were, say, two or three years ago, I would've jumped at the chance to nab Oladipo or McLemore in a draft. Now, however, I feel that there's more pressing matters on our lineup than getting a better SG. We need both an SF and a real PG, and maybe an upgrade at power forward. As much as I'd like either of the two, we've already got both Tyreke and Thornton/Thorton, who have both performed well. If we want to win, we need to address the positions we're weakest at, and right now that's SF and PG.
As for Noel, I think he'd probably be an amazing PF, but again, we need to address our weakest positions first. Our PF's aren't great, but they'll get the job done, until we can upgrade. No, for us to be a winning team, we need to draft either an SF that isn't Shabazz Muhammad, or draft a PG that isn't Michael Carter-Williams.
Yeah but you can't do that. If you see a serious complication than you should think long and hard about looking in another direction (like Shabazz Muhammad's value being primarily as a scorer and our team suffering from an abundance of guys looking for their shot already). But barring that, you can't let your concerns about this current roster prevent you from acquiring a potential franchise talent. Most of this current roster will be gone in a couple years anyway.
Yes we have a lot of guards right now but Oladipo or McLemore can still help us. McLemore doesn't need the ball, he scores off of screens, cuts to the basket, fast breaks, etc. That's good for us. And as a good rebounder, defender, and passer he still has value if he's not scoring. Oladipo is an elite perimeter defender and a very good athlete who can explode to the basket and finish but isn't going to be creating shots off the dribble very often. That's good for us too. He'll need to continue to work on his jumpshot but he's gotten a lot better this year. He really just has to keep getting stronger and adding range. Both Tyreke and Thornton have trade value if we decide that somebody has become redundant.
Yes we do need an upgrade at PF. That's Nerlens Noel. If he didn't have a serious knee issue (two ACL tears in three years for a big guy is something to think about) I would take him first overall in this draft without hesitation. We have a 20pt scorer in our frontcourt already -- we have a real need for someone who can block shots, grab rebounds, and stay out of the way on offense. Jason Thompson and Patrick Patterson are not the type of talent that makes you pass up a potential DPOY at PF. They're just not. And the chances of us finding a player like Noel through free agency are slim to none. Teams find players like that and they don't let them go.
Finding a capable SF is a serious issue and priority #1 but this isn't a very deep draft for that position. Porter is excellent. Maybe Bennett can fill that position, maybe Oladipo can play there a bit. But other than that you're probably looking at a trade or free agency. Which is fine. Get the best player you can get in the draft and then fill your other holes elsewhere. We can trade for a SF if we don't get lucky in the draft. (I still like Derrick Williams btw)
And lastly, I think anyone who really thinks we need to draft a PG this year needs to have their head examined. Unless you're extremely confident that there is a guy available who is a perfect fit for your system or if there's a one in a hundred truly talented playmaker that you can't pass on (no pun intended) then I would ask you if pulling in another 20 year old and handing them the keys to this rebuild where countless others have been tried and failed seems like the best use of our resources. I'd rather we continue to work with IT and Tyreke and let them learn from a new coach before I went the rookie PG route. Depending on how much you trust either of those guys to run an offense (and my personal feeling is that both are capable, they just haven't been given the chance with our terrible coaching staffs) we'd probably be better off bringing in a vet starter and relegating the incumbants to backup PG duties are bringing in a solid backup. And I know this isn't exactly consistent with the first paragraph I wrote (Marcus Smart is still worthy of consideration) but after you make the same mistake 4 or 5 times in a row, it's time to start re-thinking your decision-making strategy.
Dime Dropper,
I'm with Baja on Marcus Smart -- I do like him a lot, I still have him in my top 5, but I'm a little nervous about his shot selection and decision-making. The last Oklahoma State game I watched was the game against Texas and they won that game, but if that was the only time I'd seen him this year I would question his capability to run a team. Markel Brown and LeBryan Nash were carrying the scoring and really it just came down to Texas' inability to get past OK State's trapping defense in the second half. Aside from the defense, Smart was a non-factor in that game. He's played better game's obviously, but that's my problem. The inconsistency. I know he's capable of playing the position at a high level, but if he hasn't fully put it together at the college level yet, it's not going to get any easier in the pros.
But I can understand why other people really like him. The talent is there. If you're really sold on Smart as a future NBA PG, which clearly you are, then sure he fits our team and should be drafted with a top 5 pick. If I'm drafting 5th and the other guys I like are already off the board I trust his talent and find a way to make it work despite those reservations. My general criticism was directed more toward someone who would say "we need to get a PG out of this draft" without having anyone specific in mind. And that's just because an inexperienced PG is going to take time to develop and if you're ready to chuck aside the time already invested in IT, Tyreke and Jimmer at the position and try to develop another young player you have to understand that it could take another 2 or 3 years to get them up to speed. It's not a quick fix. Maybe it's time to consider other options. The idea of bringing in a vet like Aaron Brooks wasn't a bad one -- the problem was you couldn't draw up a worse fit in terms of play-style for this team.
I don't disagree with your analysis of where players might go in the draft, but Noel isn't a center, and there's no way he plays center in the NBA. Doesn't have the frame of a center, or the strength. He'll be a PF and shouldn't have any trouble playing that position. He's more than athletic enough, as a matter of fact, he's probably more athletic than most of the PF's in the league. Right now, he's not as good as Anthony Davis, but he's a similar player with his quickness, and ability to play out on the perimeter and still get back to help under the basket. We need more size in our frontcourt. Whether its as a starting defensive PF next to Cousins, or a backup center behind Cousins. What we don't need, unless we get rid of some of our current PG's, is another PG. Technically, we have 5 players right now that could play the position, when you add Tyreke and Salmons into the mix, and none of them are up to the quality of PG that I desire.
Hey, I can't disagree. I'm not saying he's the finished article. I just feel he has the physical traits, IQ and skill set to be one of the better PGs down the line. But that's just my opinion. I understand the PG situation, and I agree depending on whose on the board. I just think that Smart is so far ahead of IT/Jimmer that it would be worth it, and the other intangibles he brings would add wins regardless of the learning curve. A good coach would go a long way towards helping that. I should also add that my opinion is of course subject to change, and there's more guys I need to see more of (Porter, Oladipo, Bennett, Zeller) before forming a definitive opinion.
Personally, I think Trey Burke should be an exception to the "we don 't need another PG" policy.
Yeah, I like Burke a lot. He's probably not as sexy a choice, but he's a solid player that can pass and can score. He's also a solid defender.
I say we trade IT (and if whoever would draft him wants more, then throw in Jimmer) for the draft rights to him.
I don't think you get much more than early second for either, unless you sneak Jerry Reynolds into some poor team's FO. You could probably test Colangelo, but he's out of picks for the forseeable future.I say we trade IT (and if whoever would draft him wants more, then throw in Jimmer) for the draft rights to him.
I don't think you get much more than early second for either, unless you sneak Jerry Reynolds into some poor team's FO. You could probably test Colangelo, but he's out of picks for the forseeable future.
I wouldn't take Shabazz. He's a ballhog, and he has personality issues. I would use our draft pick on Otto Porter, then (as stated on the previous page) trade IT and Jimmer for the draft rights to Trey Burke. That gives us a great offensive starting lineup, an at least servicable defense, and, once the chemistry is right, a good team system. Our bench is very strong defensively, and our starting lineup makes up for it's partial lack of offense.
Starters:
PG: Burke
SG: Reke
PF: JT
SForter
C: Cuz
2nd unit:
PG: Toney D
SG: Lil' Buckets
PF: Pat
SF: Fish
C: Aldrich (Waive/trade Chuck)
Benchwarmers:
JJ
Outlaw
Look, you probably won't get any argument from anyone on this fourm about drafting Porter. I've been touting him since the beginning of the season. The problem is, he may not be there when our turn comes, so you have to have a plan B, and C, and a D. Trading IT and Jimmer for the rights to Burke is also easy to say, but it takes two to tango. I love your starting lineup, and would be happy as a clam if that happens. But at the same time, I'm not going to hold my breath.
True, that would put us in a bit of a pickle. From what I've heard, the Wiz and Cavs are both pretty high on him, and they're both likely to draft before us. I say we use our pick on Burke; once we've done that, the only hole in our roster is SF. We'd have to use Chuck, IT, and Jimmer as barganing chips to find a solution. Let's think: what team has a good wingman that they'd be willing to exchange for scorers and/or a defensive veteran? After this, we'd be close to my dream roster.
Don't forget that there's this thing called freeagency as well. You don't always have to trade for what you want. Not that I'm against making the right trade. A few unrestricted freeagents that might be of interest are:
Kyle Korver: 31 years old
Andrei Kirilenko: 32 years old
Dorell Wright: 27 years old
Marvin Williams: 26 years old
Luke Babbit: 23 years old
Trevor Ariza: 27 years old
Wesley Johnson: 25 years old
These are all guys you wouldn't have to trade for. Just offer the right amount of money. Some, like Johsnson are a little risky since he's considered somewhat of a bust at the moment. Marvin Williams has played well this year, and Luke Babbit really impressed me last summer during summer league. Korver is thought of as backup SF, but his offense could really help, and everyone knows what Kirilenko brings.
Kirileno would be good. Bah, though, none of the rest of them would make a roster anything like the one I had above. Like you said, it's not too likely, but damn, if it did happen...