Kings in mix for Iguodala

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Looks like the wolves signed Budinger to 4/16 and offered Martin 4/30 today. They also want Pekovic back. Doubt there is room left for AK47 now. Could we swoop in with a 3/30 or 4/36 deal for AK and retain Tyreke as well? I'm looking around and wondering where else he lands.

Paying 4/60 or whatever for Iggy is looking very expensive.
 
You guys need to factor in that part of the reason the max is being rumoured as a deal for Igoudala is because we are Sacramento and need to overpay to bring stars and to win here! I think I would prefer Evans/McLemore/??(cheap)/Patterson/Cuz much more than Calderon/McLemore/Iggy/Patterson/Cuz...
 

Bricklayer

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Looks like the wolves signed Budinger to 4/16 and offered Martin 4/30 today. They also want Pekovic back. Doubt there is room left for AK47 now. Could we swoop in with a 3/30 or 4/36 deal for AK and retain Tyreke as well? I'm looking around and wondering where else he lands.

Paying 4/60 or whatever for Iggy is looking very expensive.
Yes we could, if he'd be amenable. And that's an obvious fallback position, and a good one, if Petunia'a demands remain up in lala land.
 

Bricklayer

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Yeah, the per year isn't too bad, but that 5th year is a huge advantage for them, because his next contract won't be anywhere close. I'd imagine we'd have to come close in the total amount, something like $55 million for four years or so, to get his attention.
or S&T? Under the new CBA can you S&T a 5yr deal?
 

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or S&T? Under the new CBA can you S&T a 5yr deal?
would be nice. I really hope PDA has some friends in Denver still and they want to work with him as far as trades. I stated in a salary thread we can get Iggy and keep Thornton. We have the money to do that. but a S&T would be nice. Salmons then becomes an assett backing up SG/SF.

Evans, IT, Mccallum
Maclemore,Evans,Salmons
Iggy,Salmons,Outlaw
JT,Ppat,Outlaw
Cousins,JT,Hayes,


oh yeah Jimmer is still here. Can we get thabeet for him?
 
would be nice. I really hope PDA has some friends in Denver still and they want to work with him as far as trades. I stated in a salary thread we can get Iggy and keep Thornton. We have the money to do that. but a S&T would be nice. Salmons then becomes an assett backing up SG/SF.

Evans, IT, Mccallum
Maclemore,Evans,Salmons
Iggy,Salmons,Outlaw
JT,Ppat,Outlaw
Cousins,JT,Hayes,


oh yeah Jimmer is still here. Can we get thabeet for him?
i think that would be a key here...hopefully thorton for iggy
 
Raj Sharan ‏@Raj_Sharan 12m
Sorry for the delay, was multitasking. Looks like Kings considering offering Iguodala a max contract. Don't expect them to match Evans.
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My fear is coming true, Andre Iguodala is getting supremely overrated. Vivek is trying to make a 'splash' ... this is the wrong one.

I want him. I do, but not for anything close to the max. I'd give Evans the max before I gave it to AI. Keeping Evans and getting AK47 would be a better play for us. You can't pay Iguodala like a 1st option. He isn't that. He isn't even close to that.
 
My fear is coming true, Andre Iguodala is getting supremely overrated. Vivek is trying to make a 'splash' ... this is the wrong one.

I want him. I do, but not for anything close to the max. I'd give Evans the max before I gave it to AI. Keeping Evans and getting AK47 would be a better play for us. You can't pay Iguodala like a 1st option. He isn't that. He isn't even close to that.
I would be cautious about all these reports. Could just be agents leaking info to inflate the asking price for their clients. I wouldn't flip out yet. I doubt a supposed cap expert would offer him the Max unless it was actually structured very favorably or so we could get out of it early.
 
My fear is coming true, Andre Iguodala is getting supremely overrated. Vivek is trying to make a 'splash' ... this is the wrong one.

I want him. I do, but not for anything close to the max. I'd give Evans the max before I gave it to AI. Keeping Evans and getting AK47 would be a better play for us. You can't pay Iguodala like a 1st option. He isn't that. He isn't even close to that.

This x100. You can't give Iguodala the max, that's a crippling contract.
 
Again, imho Thornton has negative value.. For a s/t we are going to have to give up assets, like picks unfortunately. But hopefully I am wrong
Not sure about that.

You could be right, but Kevin Martin just signed for 7mil per, MT makes 8 this year, 8.5 next year. I'd rather have Thornton, so is he over payed? maybe to some, not to me. Not really.
 
I would be disappointed if we gave a player like Andre the max. I think it is a bad price now and a brutal price 4 years from now.
 

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Nice. Good starting point. The 5th year is a little concerning, though.
Well, unless we do a sign and trade, the most we can offer is a 4 year deal. 12.6 mil isn't unreasonable, considering he was making more than that last season. Something I think people have to think about, if it truely comes down to Tyreke or Iguodala. Lets assume that they are equally talented, just different. The question should be, who is the best fit overall for the team? Yes, Tyreke is younger, but by NBA standards, Iguodala isn't old. I believe he turns 30 in january, but don't quote me. If your worried about durability, well Iguodala wins that battle. In nine seasons he's averaged playing in 77 games per year, while Tyreke has averaged 64 games per year, and that includes the shortened season for both of them.

D'Allesandro and Malone say they want more ball movement, and movement without the ball. Less isolation play. Does that sound more like Iguodala or Tyreke? Obviously, if we were to sign Iguodala, it would most likely be for just 4 years. After which time he would probably move on, or settle for a more reasonable and shorter contract. If we sign Tyreke, were getting a player that could still play at a high level for 10 more years, if healthy. Of course one major difference right now, is that we know we can resign Tyreke, and Iguodala is just a hope and a prayer. Do you pass on a sure thing, in hopes of gaining Iguodala, even if you have to pay more than you want for Tyreke.

I know some think there's a simple answer here, but I don't! Its highly possible that the Kings look at Tyeke as the square peg in the round hole. At least as far as their needs go, and the direction they want to go. I don't have the answers. I honestly don't know whats best for the Kings. My perference would be to keep Tyreke and see how that flies. At the same time, its a big investment, and there are no guarantee's. Cousins is up next, either for an extension, or once again, going the restricted freeagency route. My perference is for an extension, but the Kings may want to wait and see, knowing that if they like what they see, they'll just match any offer anyway. As far as waiting being an insult to the player, its really to the players advantage to go on the open market. Just ask Tyreke.
 
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rainmaker

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My fear is coming true, Andre Iguodala is getting supremely overrated. Vivek is trying to make a 'splash' ... this is the wrong one.

I want him. I do, but not for anything close to the max. I'd give Evans the max before I gave it to AI. Keeping Evans and getting AK47 would be a better play for us. You can't pay Iguodala like a 1st option. He isn't that. He isn't even close to that.
Fully agree. Iggy would be a great piece for this team for 10-12M per. Great. But even that is going to most likely be overpaying the last two years. He's not going to get better and guys like him usually start to slowly decline right about now, but I'd be happy paying it given how important a vet presence is for our squad as well as the role he'd play on the court.

But, part of what makes Iggy attractive is adding him to a Reke/MLM/Cuz trio. If it is instead MLM/Iggy/Cuz, and Iggy in a max contract and he starts declining, well, IMO that's not that a great a situation to be in. There's just the plain as day aspect that if offering Reke/Iggy similar amounts, with Reke he's still 3-4 years from entering his prime. He won't get worse. With Iggy, you'd be hoping he can hang on after a year, maybe two. And even if Iggy declines he'd still be a very valuable player, but nowhere near a max player. While different players, it could turn into a Joe Johnson type contract. And with AK available, I'd see if we can get him for less.

A Reke/MLM/Cuz core can be added around pretty easily without throwing out max contracts, and all are years from their prime. Upside across the board. Replace Reke with Iggy, that core has less upside, you still need to splash for someone who can break down defenses 1v1 from the perimeter which costs good money, and you likely have less flexibility going forward. I'd actually say a Reke/MLM/Cuz core with a decent SF will be better two years from now than a Iggy/MLM/Cuz core. On the former you only need to add spot up shooters and defensive role players. With the latter you still need a damn good starting PG who can penetrate/break defenses and is a plus on the defensive end, if comparing it to what a Reke/MLM backcourt would bring.
 
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Fully agree. Iggy would be a great piece for this team for 10-12M per. Great. But even that is going to most likely be overpaying the last two years. He's not going to get better and guys like him usually start to slowly decline right about now, but I'd be happy paying it given how important a vet presence is for our squad as well as the role he'd play on the court.

But, part of what makes Iggy attractive is adding him to a Reke/MLM/Cuz trio. If it is instead MLM/Iggy/Cuz, and Iggy in a max contract and he starts declining, well, IMO that's not that a great a situation to be in. There's just the plain as day aspect that if offering Reke/Iggy similar amounts, with Reke he's still 3-4 years from entering his prime. He won't get worse. With Iggy, you'd be hoping he can hang on after a year, maybe two. And even if Iggy declines he'd still be a very valuable player, but nowhere near a max player. While different players, it could turn into a Joe Johnson type contract. And with AK available, I'd see if we can get him for less.

A Reke/MLM/Cuz core can be added around pretty easily without throwing out max contracts, and all are years from their prime. Upside across the board. Replace Reke with Iggy, that core has less upside, you still need to splash for someone who can break down defenses 1v1 from the perimeter which costs good money, and you likely have less flexibility going forward. I'd actually say a Reke/MLM/Cuz core with a decent SF will be better two years from now than a Iggy/MLM/Cuz core. On the former you only need to add spot up shooters and defensive role players. With the latter you still need a damn good starting PG who can penetrate/break defenses and is a plus on the defensive end, if comparing it to what a Reke/MLM backcourt would bring.
I'm pretty much in agreement with this.

I LOVE AI and have wanted him on our team for years. But I don't want him at the expense of Tyreke.

My preference would be to retain Tyreke and then bring bring in a SF by going the FA route and getting the space by Amnestying Salmons and clearing some smaller contracts. (Jimmer/Outlaw/IT/ect.) Then using Thornton to bring in a defensive big (Gibson/Gortat/Asik/ect.)

But as a secondary plan I could see using Thornton in a S&T to bring in one of the best SFs. (AI/AK)

I just don't want a higher tier SF at the expense of Tyreke at this point.
 
exactly, i would rather have reke over dre for the long run...and we could get a guy like dorrell wright for cheaper, now i know he doesnt bring the ball handing and passing that dre brings bt he would give us more spacing..maybe a 3/15 with 3rd yr an option year...
 
I want Tyreke here, and hope they match the Pelicans offer, but I'm not gonna jump off a building if they decide he doesnt fit into their plans. And if they are able to bring in AI, then clearly the old myth about big name FAs not coming to Sac would be dispelled, probably because of the new ownership team and how theyre seen around the league. I'm not gonna be one of those Golden State fans that was booing Lacob after Ellis got traded, I'll give this group the benefit of the doubt when it comes to shaping the roster at least for a year or two. But like I already said, rumors about what the Kings are going to do that come from Denver don't hold much water for me, it just smells of agents leaking info to inflate the going rate for their client across the board.
 

rainmaker

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Jimmy Spencer, who's a pretty decent writer made a good point.

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You need your max guy to take over games and Iggy can't do that. On the flip side, this is why it's hard to get free agents to Sacramento.



It's true, a max guy does need to be able to take games over. And I'd classify Iggy as a star role player, but someone who can take over a game he is not. I'm sure everyone remembers him getting killed in both Philly and Den for disappearing offensively in the playoffs.

As a role player he would be phenomenal for us, but as a maxed out star I think many would be left disappointed and wanting more. I would.
 
Jimmy Spencer, who's a pretty decent writer made a good point.

Jimmy Spencer ‏@JimmySpencerNBA 11m
You need your max guy to take over games and Iggy can't do that. On the flip side, this is why it's hard to get free agents to Sacramento.



It's true, a max guy does need to be able to take games over. And I'd classify Iggy as a star role player, but someone who can take over a game he is not. I'm sure everyone remembers him getting killed in both Philly and Den for disappearing offensively in the playoffs.

As a role player he would be phenomenal for us, but as a maxed out star I think many would be left disappointed and wanting more. I would.
Totally agreed
 
Actually, I'm pretty certain we can't do that due to Tyreke's cap hold (as in sign Iggy first and then resign Reke).
we could if we can somehow get under enough including his cap hold...bt i dont know how we could get that low...i think if we amnesty salmons we would still be around 48M...can we S&T thorton with thorton for iggy and then sign reke? i guess reke would have to wait for us?
 
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