And It Begins....Pelicans About to Talk to Tyreke Evans
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As much as I like Tyreke, he's NOT worth that kind of money at this point in his career. But he certainly has the potential (remember he's still only 23) to be worth that contract as soon as next season.
And the unfortunate reality of being a small market team in the NBA is that you have to gamble on that potential in your own young players or lose them for nothing and either just bleed talent or be forced to overpay for someone else's free agent down the line. If word comes out that Evans is going to sign the Pelicans' offer sheet then we should find out quickly what the Kings FO thinks of Tyreke.
And the unfortunate reality of being a small market team in the NBA is that you have to gamble on that potential in your own young players or lose them for nothing and either just bleed talent or be forced to overpay for someone else's free agent down the line. If word comes out that Evans is going to sign the Pelicans' offer sheet then we should find out quickly what the Kings FO thinks of Tyreke.
Reke tweeted..
https://twitter.com/tyrekeevans
"The way I'm feeling about you got me feeling some type of way #new money "
DONT LEAVE REKE!!!! MATCH IT KINGS!!!!!
https://twitter.com/tyrekeevans
"The way I'm feeling about you got me feeling some type of way #new money "
DONT LEAVE REKE!!!! MATCH IT KINGS!!!!!
I'll quibble/elaborate with you here a little bit about Tyreke's future role. On its face, yes, to resign Tyreke the only thing matters is whether the Kings are willing to match. Period. The Kings could match and he has no choice in the matter. Theoretically, the Kings could begin playing him at the 3 or having him come off the bench in that scenario. He obviously wouldn't be a happy camper then. Does it matter? Yes, if you really want to keep him for the longer term because he's not going to resign and he might willingly or unwillingly show his unhappiness on the court. But no, it won't matter if you just want to match in order to retain his services for the short term while you look for a trading partner.
4 for 44 is Curry Money, and Curry is glass ankles is about as equivalent as tyreke's fade away everything, as is the talent.
I think it is below 44, others are saying 40!
Sean Deveney: Just heard that Pelicans offer to Tyreke Evans would be 4 years, $40 mil. That's a $35 mil-per-year backcourt, assuming Eric Gordon stays Twitter @SeanDeveney
I think it is below 44, others are saying 40!
Sean Deveney: Just heard that Pelicans offer to Tyreke Evans would be 4 years, $40 mil. That's a $35 mil-per-year backcourt, assuming Eric Gordon stays Twitter @SeanDeveney
I guess here is the question.
It looks as if NO can't offer Tyreke a 12m a year contract with-out somehow shedding some of their existing contracts.
So let's say that NO wants to offer him 12m a year...but they can only clear enough space to offer him 11m a year.
If the Kings FO are only willing to match 11m a year...do you accommodate NO to take back some of their salary (Vasquez) so they can clear their space to sign Tyreke to 12m a year...or do you tell them to go find another partner to clear their cap space with the hopes that they can't do it so that you can match an 11m offer?
It would be a game of chicken with the one of the following results:
1.) NO finds a partner to clear salary. They offer Tyreke 12m+ and he walks while we get nothing.
2.) NO can't find a partner, they have Tyreke sign a 11m offer and we match.
I know everyone is talking about a S&T with NO...but if I'm the FO I don't know that I help a team get under a certain salary threshhold so that they can actually offer what they want to steal my guy away. If they can clear salary and make the offer...then I have the chance to match or not...but I don't know if I help grease the wheels for them...unless I believe that Vasquez is truly going to make a difference.
We'll see...
It looks as if NO can't offer Tyreke a 12m a year contract with-out somehow shedding some of their existing contracts.
So let's say that NO wants to offer him 12m a year...but they can only clear enough space to offer him 11m a year.
If the Kings FO are only willing to match 11m a year...do you accommodate NO to take back some of their salary (Vasquez) so they can clear their space to sign Tyreke to 12m a year...or do you tell them to go find another partner to clear their cap space with the hopes that they can't do it so that you can match an 11m offer?
It would be a game of chicken with the one of the following results:
1.) NO finds a partner to clear salary. They offer Tyreke 12m+ and he walks while we get nothing.
2.) NO can't find a partner, they have Tyreke sign a 11m offer and we match.
I know everyone is talking about a S&T with NO...but if I'm the FO I don't know that I help a team get under a certain salary threshhold so that they can actually offer what they want to steal my guy away. If they can clear salary and make the offer...then I have the chance to match or not...but I don't know if I help grease the wheels for them...unless I believe that Vasquez is truly going to make a difference.
We'll see...
So how big a contract can a 6th man get? This is pretty interesting: the first team that we know about that contacts him wants him to come off the bench? That does throw me for a loop. PG? Yes, I thought that could happen. Same with SG and even SF (although I thought Tyreke would balk at that), but 6th man? Hmmmmm......
I fear Kings FO may be grossly underrating Evans and grossly overrating Iguodala. Iggy will likely get a similar or bigger deal, and he's not as good as Evans. Maxed out potential, less versatile, etc. We aren't winning a title next year. Get the younger guy with more potential who will likely come cheaper.
NO should have gone to $10.1 mill/year.
Just using your post to make a general comment. If we are all going to have apoplexy over one unsigned offer from a team that might want him at SF, this is going to be a long few weeks for some of you. Tyreke has not signed anything. He has a gaggle of teams to talk with and I suspect he will get burned out on that very quickly. He'll probably only chat with the ones that truly interest him. THIS interview I think was the first shot across the bow by Arn Tellem as he scheduled the time so that not even the Kings could sit down with Tyreke. It was scheduled as part of the negotiating process and perhaps no more. It's hard to know about the latter.
BTW, I think it would be a big mistake for the Kings to just simply sit back and let other teams set the signing price. Respect and all that, ya know? They have to stick their nose in quickly and whether they make a solid offer or not, they need to let Tyreke know the level of their interest and as best as I can understand, they value Tyreke quite a bit and might get AGGRESSIVE in the dealings. AGGRESSIVENESS is what Vivek promised. I translate the word AGGRESSIVE as meaning they will pay. That differs from Petrie's passive approach.
No matter what the other teams say, as opposed to what Tyreke's signs, Tyreke can make an agreement with the Kings at anytime at any amount as long as he signs the Kings offer July 10 and doesn't sign any offer sheet at a larger amount. Tellem is a paid mercenary and highly skilled but in the end, he needs to do what Tyreke wants and we have to hope that the abuse that has been piled on Reke by the odd use of him the last two years doesn't taint his feelings about the new ownership, coach, and GM. Tyreke has said positive things about the Kings and so has one of his brothers. He has a new home in the area. He works out in the practice facility. He may be ready to settle down here for a long time as long as we don't insult him. The likelihood of Vivek or PDA insulting Tyreke seems incredibly remote.
BTW, I think it would be a big mistake for the Kings to just simply sit back and let other teams set the signing price. Respect and all that, ya know? They have to stick their nose in quickly and whether they make a solid offer or not, they need to let Tyreke know the level of their interest and as best as I can understand, they value Tyreke quite a bit and might get AGGRESSIVE in the dealings. AGGRESSIVENESS is what Vivek promised. I translate the word AGGRESSIVE as meaning they will pay. That differs from Petrie's passive approach.
No matter what the other teams say, as opposed to what Tyreke's signs, Tyreke can make an agreement with the Kings at anytime at any amount as long as he signs the Kings offer July 10 and doesn't sign any offer sheet at a larger amount. Tellem is a paid mercenary and highly skilled but in the end, he needs to do what Tyreke wants and we have to hope that the abuse that has been piled on Reke by the odd use of him the last two years doesn't taint his feelings about the new ownership, coach, and GM. Tyreke has said positive things about the Kings and so has one of his brothers. He has a new home in the area. He works out in the practice facility. He may be ready to settle down here for a long time as long as we don't insult him. The likelihood of Vivek or PDA insulting Tyreke seems incredibly remote.
Sean Deveney: Pelicans would bring Tyreke Evans off the bench in a Manu Ginobili-style role, source says. Not saying it'll work. But that's the idea. Twitter @SeanDeveney
Read more at http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#tcagjI6WobX5xZOY.99
More than 10 Million a year does not make sense for a 6th man (10 okay, but more than ten???)
Read more at http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#tcagjI6WobX5xZOY.99
More than 10 Million a year does not make sense for a 6th man (10 okay, but more than ten???)
I want Evans on my team with B-Mac and Cousins.
I've really wanted Iggy for the last few years...and his ball-handling would really compliment a back-court of Evans/B-Mac.
With that said...we need an interior defender somehow (Gibson/Gortat/Asik) and if we have to use Thornton as a piece in a S&T or whatnot...I'm not sure if I'd go with Iggy over a big man. It just seems as if you could probably find someone to man the SF position while solidifying all the other positions.
If we can somehow get Iggy plus an interior defender...while retaining Tyreke...then our roster would basically be set and I would be in basketball heaven.
I've really wanted Iggy for the last few years...and his ball-handling would really compliment a back-court of Evans/B-Mac.
With that said...we need an interior defender somehow (Gibson/Gortat/Asik) and if we have to use Thornton as a piece in a S&T or whatnot...I'm not sure if I'd go with Iggy over a big man. It just seems as if you could probably find someone to man the SF position while solidifying all the other positions.
If we can somehow get Iggy plus an interior defender...while retaining Tyreke...then our roster would basically be set and I would be in basketball heaven.
$10 mil for Reke is pretty steep. Personally, I'd let him walk...but I've never been a big fan anyways.
And while I am a fan of Iguodala's, I'm weary of making long-term commitments to older players of his ilk (driving/penetrating power players); their knees take so much more wear and tear than other players and they tend to decline in their waning 20s/early 30s very, very quickly. Iggy might be an overpaid, low % three-point shooter by the end of his contract.
One question: is Holiday untouchable? Would not mind a S&T with Reke for Holiday...that would be quite the steal...
And while I am a fan of Iguodala's, I'm weary of making long-term commitments to older players of his ilk (driving/penetrating power players); their knees take so much more wear and tear than other players and they tend to decline in their waning 20s/early 30s very, very quickly. Iggy might be an overpaid, low % three-point shooter by the end of his contract.
One question: is Holiday untouchable? Would not mind a S&T with Reke for Holiday...that would be quite the steal...
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