And It Begins....Pelicans About to Talk to Tyreke Evans
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Yeah that's what I meant. Can we creep up from the original qualifying offer? Sounds like the answer is yes. I wasn't sure if it was like arbitration in MLB where there is simply Kings Offer vs Pelicans Offer, and each team was committed to a figure. Thanks. Sounds like Kings can schmooze Tyreke, promise him PG, tell him we love him, and offer $10.5 (big raise from the qualifying offer, but less than a different team is offering.
Once we missed the extension deadline, the only thing we could do was extend the QO. Now that he's a restricted free agent, we can negotiate with him just like any other team. We can agree with him to any deal (outright sign him, or commit to a sign and trade) - until he accepts an offer from another team and signs the offer sheet. If that happens, our only two choices are match or let him walk. He, like any other free agent, would be foolish to not listen to other teams and look at other offers - even if he wants to stay with the Kings. It's part of free agency.
I think that's what the deciding factor will be, he's looking for a team to commit giving him the ball as a PG and there are likely multiple teams which will do just that. Only question is do we match and/or are we one of them.
When meeting with Reke today PDA will need to show he fully understands how the previous regime misused him and all the steps he's committed to in order to fix that going forward. And it needs to be clear. Reke won't willingly come back to us if it's just an experiment at point or if he might see some time at SF. I think he'll be guaranteed 35+ min per night as a PG somewhere and that is highly attractive after the crap we put him through.
When meeting with Reke today PDA will need to show he fully understands how the previous regime misused him and all the steps he's committed to in order to fix that going forward. And it needs to be clear. Reke won't willingly come back to us if it's just an experiment at point or if he might see some time at SF. I think he'll be guaranteed 35+ min per night as a PG somewhere and that is highly attractive after the crap we put him through.
One thing I think people are forgetting is that Tyreke is a restricted free agent. The ONLY thing that matters is what offer sheet he signs and whether the Kings want to match it. Obviously you don't want a completely unhappy player coming back to Sacramento, but the reality is that the Kings control whether or not Evans goes anywhere. His fit, his role and his interest in another team don't really play into it from the Kings standpoint.
Of course this all could have been avoided with an extension last year, but we were of course Maloofed. In most industries it makes sense for the market to determine the value of a product or asset. Not so in the NBA because the market it is dumb. No matter what restrictions owners try to place on themselves in each new CBA, they'll still fall all over themselves to overpay for a guy when he looks like their best option in free agency. Most teams know they don't have a shot at the one or two marquee guys so they throw marquee money at good players. And unfortunately that is going to bite the Kings. I love Tyreke and I think he can be a lot more than what he's shown thus far, but right now he's not a $11-$12 million a year player. But I'm guessing he will get paid like one.
We'll just have to see if it's the Kings writing the checks.
Of course this all could have been avoided with an extension last year, but we were of course Maloofed. In most industries it makes sense for the market to determine the value of a product or asset. Not so in the NBA because the market it is dumb. No matter what restrictions owners try to place on themselves in each new CBA, they'll still fall all over themselves to overpay for a guy when he looks like their best option in free agency. Most teams know they don't have a shot at the one or two marquee guys so they throw marquee money at good players. And unfortunately that is going to bite the Kings. I love Tyreke and I think he can be a lot more than what he's shown thus far, but right now he's not a $11-$12 million a year player. But I'm guessing he will get paid like one.
We'll just have to see if it's the Kings writing the checks.
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Probably 4/40-4/45.
Yet last week we had people here who watch Reke 82 times per year suggesting 4/32 would be a good route to take. And by constantly undervaluing your own you end up in situations like this. Could have been avoided but a number of Kings fans wouldn't have liked 4/40-45 either, evidenced by the 4/32 offer they wanted last week.
Yet last week we had people here who watch Reke 82 times per year suggesting 4/32 would be a good route to take. And by constantly undervaluing your own you end up in situations like this. Could have been avoided but a number of Kings fans wouldn't have liked 4/40-45 either, evidenced by the 4/32 offer they wanted last week.
If it's 4/40 or 4/45 and Tyreke signs it, that's a no-brainer. Match that contract and it's over, we don't have to wait for other teams to bid the price up. Anything at $10-12M a year is a fair deal for him. And the sooner we get him signed the better. He can return to Sacramento and keep working out without any distractions.
Interesting. If Tyreke is really signing the first big offer he was given then it makes me think that either he's looking to cash in and doesn't see a bigger offer coming OR he's really just trying to set the market value so the Kings will know what they need to match. Because I can't believe that he honestly sees New Orleans as the best option for his career.
EDIT: And if Deveney is right and the Pelicans are envisioning Tyreke as a sixth man type guy then it only adds to my belief that Evans is really just looking for a big contract for the Kings to match in order to return to Sacramento.
EDIT: And if Deveney is right and the Pelicans are envisioning Tyreke as a sixth man type guy then it only adds to my belief that Evans is really just looking for a big contract for the Kings to match in order to return to Sacramento.
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FWIW
Sean Deveney @SeanDeveney 2 minutes ago
Pelicans would bring Tyreke Evans off the bench in a Manu Ginobili-style role, source says. Not saying it'll work. But that's the idea.
Sean Deveney @SeanDeveney 4 minutes ago
Just heard that Pelicans offer to Tyreke Evans would be 4 years, $40 mil. That's a $35 mil-per-year backcourt, assuming Eric Gordon stays
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz2XpNhhs00
Just heard that Pelicans offer to Tyreke Evans would be 4 years, $40 mil. That's a $35 mil-per-year backcourt, assuming Eric Gordon stays
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz2XpNhhs00
Sean Deveney @SeanDeveney 2 minutes ago
Pelicans would bring Tyreke Evans off the bench in a Manu Ginobili-style role, source says. Not saying it'll work. But that's the idea.
EEP.. If it's 12mil/year do the new owners let him walk? I would say yes. As much as I would like him back, it does not look like there would be room for MY preferred position (where I would like Reke to play). Still, I think an Iggy/Reke lineup could work because of the increased ball handler (like Beno/Reke). The only thing I worry about is 3pt shooting which the bench could be used for I guess.
EDIT: JUST saw the 4/40 post as I was posting this... Looks like it's 2mil more than I would have offered. I would be in negotiations with Evans at this point.
EDIT: JUST saw the 4/40 post as I was posting this... Looks like it's 2mil more than I would have offered. I would be in negotiations with Evans at this point.
Someone with more CBA knowledge can correct me if I'm wrong (and I am quite often) but I'm fairly certain Tyreke can only sign ONE offer sheet. It isn't as if another team can make him a slightly better offer and he can then sign that new offer sheet. If he signs with New Orleans he's either going to be a Pelican or a King. Once he signs, he doesn't have any leverage and the Kings have a decision to make.
In my mind, I wouldn't want a bunch of worthless salaries to dispose of. Vasquez would certainly be a target, and I wouldn't mind having him. They also have Robin Lopez who is operating on a non-guaranteed contract for this and next season. I doubt they'd be willing to give him up, but it would be worth a try. He's a good defender if nothing else.
Yeah, he can field multiple offers but once he signs one of them it's basically a binding contract. Restricted status means we can match that contract and he stays in Sacramento or we can pass and he goes to New Orleans. I'd be surprised if he signs a $40 million dollar offer on day 1 of free agency, but maybe he does it expecting Sacramento to match?
Good point Baja,
Evans + agent could see that as the floor, and go to other teams with the numbers. Would Detroit go higher?
I don't think Sac will negotiate the number, as they'll likely just match, but if the number is lower than whatever number PDA & Co. had in mind, they might give Evans just a little more just to end the search before things have the potential to get out of control.
If he's offered 10 million per, for example, and our number (internally) is 12, we might say, take 11, call it a night, and everyone's happy. Go out for more, then we might not match, or the Pelicans offer might be the best one you get, at which point our offer is to match.
I think it's better to end this quickly, before those who strike out on bigger names end up getting desperate and really drive up the price.
Evans + agent could see that as the floor, and go to other teams with the numbers. Would Detroit go higher?
I don't think Sac will negotiate the number, as they'll likely just match, but if the number is lower than whatever number PDA & Co. had in mind, they might give Evans just a little more just to end the search before things have the potential to get out of control.
If he's offered 10 million per, for example, and our number (internally) is 12, we might say, take 11, call it a night, and everyone's happy. Go out for more, then we might not match, or the Pelicans offer might be the best one you get, at which point our offer is to match.
I think it's better to end this quickly, before those who strike out on bigger names end up getting desperate and really drive up the price.
Capt is right. If Tyreke is willing to sign an offer sheet then there's no basis for a sign-and-trade. The only real reasons to do a S&T are to either get that fifth year on a max deal or to entice a team to send a guy to a capped out team as opposed to losing him to a team with caproom with no compensation. Neither scenario exists with Tyreke and the Kings & Pelicans.
Now if (just as an example) Tyreke SAYS he's going to take the New Orleans deal unless the Kings sign-and-trade him to Detroit THEN you see the leverage that's possible in free agency with the S&T.
We'll see.
Now if (just as an example) Tyreke SAYS he's going to take the New Orleans deal unless the Kings sign-and-trade him to Detroit THEN you see the leverage that's possible in free agency with the S&T.
We'll see.
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