Who is available as 6th-7th pick
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He might fall... he's far from a sure thing. Prospect wise who does he compare to? A Brandon Knight maybe? He went 8th. I dunno... Burke is a tough one. Should be a good player but maybe/probably not great. Who knows though... Chris Paul would never have lasted til 4th if people knew then what they know now.
Well I guess if Napier said it, it must be true! 50 million frenchmen can't be wrong either! A lot of misconceptions being posted about players here! Gilles is dead right about Adams. Porter is the best all around player in the draft, but not necesarily the best overall player in the draft 5 years from now.
you continue to put an awful lot of stock in what grant napear says, which is so strange to me. in his shock jock role, napear is hardly a credible source. that said, you are correct that marcus thornton has admitted to his difficulty in adjusting to a reserve role. he would certainly prefer to start, though malcontent seems an errant characterization, given that there's not been a whiff of locker room dissension related to thornton's desire to start...
personally, i don't find anything wrong with thornton's attitude. he plays with a chip on his shoulder, as if he's always out to prove something. that's a useful quality in a sixth man. but i would absolutely prefer to trade thornton because he's a very movable asset, and because isaiah thomas is cheaper as a change-of-pace guard off the bench. i'd consider doing so for otto porter, though i'd much rather attempt to track down a serviceable veteran SF, if one was available...
personally, i don't find anything wrong with thornton's attitude. he plays with a chip on his shoulder, as if he's always out to prove something. that's a useful quality in a sixth man. but i would absolutely prefer to trade thornton because he's a very movable asset, and because isaiah thomas is cheaper as a change-of-pace guard off the bench. i'd consider doing so for otto porter, though i'd much rather attempt to track down a serviceable veteran SF, if one was available...
Did you know that Cousins was traded? Thornton is fine as long as he's basically the only one who falls out of team concept and only does that from time to time. When traded to Sacramento, he averaged 21.3 points on .547TS%, being only a sophomore. Sure, many people can do that, right? Well, this past season only 9 people averaged above 20ppg with better than .540TS% efficiency. Ok, 20 ppg is pretty unrealistic to expect from 3rd option. How about just 16ppg on .540TS%. List obviously expands, but you still get only 27 people with good teams getting multiple guys on this list, so it's still pretty special company. He was also getting rebounds (4.4 per 36 minutes) and passing (3.2 apg per 36 minutes). Getting that guy back on track will likely benefit this team as well.
Are there players I'd rather have as my sixth man coming off the bench? Damm right, but the likelyhood of getting any of them is slim. I thought Thornton got jerked around maybe more than anyone else on the team that was a prominent player. He didn't know when he was going to play, or how long he was going to play. I believe he even had a couple of DNP-Coaches decision. He had games when he only played 12 or so minutes. He does things that I don't like at times, and suffers from serious tunnel vision at times, but he is one of the better scorers on the team. Give him a role, and let him know whats expected of him, and lets see what he can put together. I don't necessarily think he's a selfish player. At least not intentionaly. I do think he suffers from the hero virus at times though.
I think you'd have to be crazy to take MCW over Burke, and I'm not even gaga about Burke, I just like him. Ya, MCW is tall and athletic, but apart from that, there's not a lot there... He's all potential. Maybe I'll be wrong - I'm not saying he'll definitely be a bust, just that I'm much more confident of Burke being a productive player than MCW.
I know the consensus has Burke as the better player, but I think both MCW and Schroeder are going to be better defensively and both bring something unique to the table which sets them apart, be it excellent size and court vision or elite speed and mobility on both ends. I just have a hard time getting excited about a guy who's an average athlete, lacks any elite skills, and is at best average on the defensive end. Yes he won some big games for his team this year, but we don't need a born leader to take over our team, we've got too much of that kind of mindset already. We need somebody who's going to fit in and fill their role. Burke is less risky than the other two guys, he should provide steady if unspectacular PG play for somebody. But I'm far more intrigued about how MCW or Schroeder would play off of Tyreke and Demarcus and improve our team defense. I'm not excited about the idea of adding a rookie PG in general though.
There's two options I could go for in this draft:
1. Draft a pure PG at #7: MCW. Gifted passer, potentially good defender, has great length for a guard and is a smart kid. Only problem is his shooting, maybe Chris Jent can help him with that?
2. Trade down and get Tony Snell. Gifted shooter with long arms and the potential to be a solid defender in the league. Only problem with him is his strength, but looks like he's able to bulk up some more.
1. Draft a pure PG at #7: MCW. Gifted passer, potentially good defender, has great length for a guard and is a smart kid. Only problem is his shooting, maybe Chris Jent can help him with that?
2. Trade down and get Tony Snell. Gifted shooter with long arms and the potential to be a solid defender in the league. Only problem with him is his strength, but looks like he's able to bulk up some more.
There is no good person that will benefit the Kings much at pick #7.
Everybody has huge holes in their game and whether these holes can be fixed is conjecture. I have resigned myself to getting a non-fitting player and then having an active GM to straighten out the mess. We already have a mess so what's an extra player but perhaps more flexibility in trades? Nobody fits unless Noel, Porter, or Oladipo fall to us. Now, that doesn't mean there are nothing but bad athletes left. There are several non-fitting good athletes available. Len is not ideal (if he falls) but would give us a tough offensive front court with still no mega shot blocker. That assumes no future stress fractures. He would be easily tradable and might get us the GOOD shot blocker. Zeller is at least a curiosity. I don't think it is so easy to know how his game would translate to the NBA game except that we don't need a short armed, non shot blocking 7 footer. The rest of his athletic skills might work out just fine. He certainly is tradable. There are a variety of guards with problems in there game that do little but add to the collection we have. There are guys who might mature into something and I look straight at Gobert and Adams but we are looking at a 3-5 year project.
In other words I would pick the guy most likely to be tradeable so we can clean up this fluster cluck of a line up. Perhaps we would even develop the player to a certain extent before the trade but that would cause problems of maintaining the mismatched pieces longer than most of us would like.
BTW, did anyone see the interview with Shabbazz? I think I know why Malone spent so much time with him. From the maturity side of the equation, he is deficient. I think there are reasons why he is a year older than originally thought such as perhaps he was held back a year. I hate to call someone limited in intelligence but as I see it as just another factor along with a jump shot that goes into the ability to play the game, I'll say this guy is not bright. All indications point in that direction. Something is wrong above the neck. He seems to be living in a non-adult fantasy world. He seems like a five year old. That about covers it.
Everybody has huge holes in their game and whether these holes can be fixed is conjecture. I have resigned myself to getting a non-fitting player and then having an active GM to straighten out the mess. We already have a mess so what's an extra player but perhaps more flexibility in trades? Nobody fits unless Noel, Porter, or Oladipo fall to us. Now, that doesn't mean there are nothing but bad athletes left. There are several non-fitting good athletes available. Len is not ideal (if he falls) but would give us a tough offensive front court with still no mega shot blocker. That assumes no future stress fractures. He would be easily tradable and might get us the GOOD shot blocker. Zeller is at least a curiosity. I don't think it is so easy to know how his game would translate to the NBA game except that we don't need a short armed, non shot blocking 7 footer. The rest of his athletic skills might work out just fine. He certainly is tradable. There are a variety of guards with problems in there game that do little but add to the collection we have. There are guys who might mature into something and I look straight at Gobert and Adams but we are looking at a 3-5 year project.
In other words I would pick the guy most likely to be tradeable so we can clean up this fluster cluck of a line up. Perhaps we would even develop the player to a certain extent before the trade but that would cause problems of maintaining the mismatched pieces longer than most of us would like.
BTW, did anyone see the interview with Shabbazz? I think I know why Malone spent so much time with him. From the maturity side of the equation, he is deficient. I think there are reasons why he is a year older than originally thought such as perhaps he was held back a year. I hate to call someone limited in intelligence but as I see it as just another factor along with a jump shot that goes into the ability to play the game, I'll say this guy is not bright. All indications point in that direction. Something is wrong above the neck. He seems to be living in a non-adult fantasy world. He seems like a five year old. That about covers it.
It's an open question. I'm totally on the fence on this one and would just have to wait and see Burke up against NBA competition to know whether he is better than IT. It would probably be a heckuva battle in training camp. I do like Burke, though, and if he's the BPA I'd go with him. This isn't the greatest draft. If you come away with a guy that can play and not necessarily a star you're going to be doing well.
I don't know, I actually was kind of impressed with the maturity if it was this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB7w-iN9wDU&feature=youtube_gdata
Of course, hardly surprising since he may in fact be 30 for all we know.
Of course, hardly surprising since he may in fact be 30 for all we know.