Lowry talk heating up .. Kings in the mix (ESPN)
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I'm against any of these trade, I prefer to pick at #5 the player available between Robinson, MKG and Barnes (I hope one of these last two).
Remember last year, when we traded down and took a bad contract too.
I don't understand why Dalembert value is so high here. And Lowry will be UFA in two years.. and we got owners with no money.
Remember last year, when we traded down and took a bad contract too.
I don't understand why Dalembert value is so high here. And Lowry will be UFA in two years.. and we got owners with no money.
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This is the only deal makes any sense to me.
Houston receives: #5 pick
Sacramento receives: #8 pick, #14 pick and Samuel Dalembert
Toronto receives: Kyle Lowry
They could also send Hays back for all I care.
We don't need another guard unless we trade a bunch of players.
I would want Dalembert to sign an extension as part of the trade or draft another big to go behind him.
I wouldn't mind drafting Jones and Zeller.
Harkless looks like a good prospect but he is small and can't shoot.
Houston receives: #5 pick
Sacramento receives: #8 pick, #14 pick and Samuel Dalembert
Toronto receives: Kyle Lowry
They could also send Hays back for all I care.
We don't need another guard unless we trade a bunch of players.
I would want Dalembert to sign an extension as part of the trade or draft another big to go behind him.
I wouldn't mind drafting Jones and Zeller.
Harkless looks like a good prospect but he is small and can't shoot.
This story sure fits the narrative. The Kings like Lowry and want veteran leadership. The #5 pick is the key pick probably to pick Drummond. Also, MKG and Robinson may not be on the board at #5, and I doubt the Kings like Barnes at the slot. That said, it's a lot less desirable of a deal if you don't make it contingent upon both MKG and Robinson being gone before the Kings get to select.
If they do make this deal, there are going to be other dominos that fall, imo. At the least, the 3 position will continue to be a gaping hole. This deal doesn't solve that. At the most, the combined outside shooting of Lowry and Tyreke remains an open question in my mind. It is interesting to me that the Kings traded down specifically to get Jimmer, whose primary asset is his shooting, so he could complement Tyreke. Now, in this trade, they would be obtaining a player who is known more for defense than for his shooting. Have the Kings done some rethinking of their position on this, or is there more than meets the eye? It's interesting, that's for sure.
If they do make this deal, there are going to be other dominos that fall, imo. At the least, the 3 position will continue to be a gaping hole. This deal doesn't solve that. At the most, the combined outside shooting of Lowry and Tyreke remains an open question in my mind. It is interesting to me that the Kings traded down specifically to get Jimmer, whose primary asset is his shooting, so he could complement Tyreke. Now, in this trade, they would be obtaining a player who is known more for defense than for his shooting. Have the Kings done some rethinking of their position on this, or is there more than meets the eye? It's interesting, that's for sure.
How would they Toronto's #8
I too would love Dally back, but if they give us Lowry, Dally, #14 and #16 how they h3ll are they going to get Toronto's #8 pick.
Remeber they want our #5 and Toronto's #8 to offer to Orlando for Dwight.
I honestly can see this as a four team trade now.... not with Orlando, but with fourth team to get it done.... or first trade with houston and sacramento, second trade houston, toronto, and another team.....
I too would love Dally back, but if they give us Lowry, Dally, #14 and #16 how they h3ll are they going to get Toronto's #8 pick.
Remeber they want our #5 and Toronto's #8 to offer to Orlando for Dwight.
I honestly can see this as a four team trade now.... not with Orlando, but with fourth team to get it done.... or first trade with houston and sacramento, second trade houston, toronto, and another team.....
If terms of looking at the big picture here assuming the Dwight thing has legs.
I think it's much more reasonable to believe the idea is the Kings trade #5 for #14, #16 and maybe a little something extra(Donatas Motiejunas + dumping a bad contract?) - and the Raptors trade #8 for Lowry straight up.
And I absolutely don't approve that trade - I'm just saying if the idea is for Houston to get BOTH picks, that's the most likely situation, cause in any other trade scenario we speculated I just can't see what else do they have to show for Toronto to nab that #8 - That's assuming if our front office really don't like Barnes/Robinson who are most likely to drop to 5, and is really high on the guys in the middle of the pack.
Either way in case of a trade down not trying to look at this as a homer - I think most odds are we're going to get royally screwed from any likely scenario in terms of value.
I think it's much more reasonable to believe the idea is the Kings trade #5 for #14, #16 and maybe a little something extra(Donatas Motiejunas + dumping a bad contract?) - and the Raptors trade #8 for Lowry straight up.
And I absolutely don't approve that trade - I'm just saying if the idea is for Houston to get BOTH picks, that's the most likely situation, cause in any other trade scenario we speculated I just can't see what else do they have to show for Toronto to nab that #8 - That's assuming if our front office really don't like Barnes/Robinson who are most likely to drop to 5, and is really high on the guys in the middle of the pack.
Either way in case of a trade down not trying to look at this as a homer - I think most odds are we're going to get royally screwed from any likely scenario in terms of value.
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Well I dont see how Houston can turn Lowry,Daly,#14,#16 into 5and8
Maybe Lowry for 8th might do it for Toronto
But if they use Lowry as part of Sacto Deal then I dont see Toronto letting #8 go
If Sacto does give up #5 For 1yr of Daly and #14 and #16, Im gonna be sick
Maybe if they take Hayes (they like him anyway)
Then we take Parsons for Salmons/Garcia (switch starting SF) and save some dough
then could amnesty the other Garcia
But we still dont get a game changer for number #5, but we can save some bucks
Wow sounds like a real Magoof deal to me
Would eliminate expensive deadwood (Hays,Salmons,Garcia)
Set us up for a trade for a starter vet (could absorb salary) that we could not do before
Maybe Lowry for 8th might do it for Toronto
But if they use Lowry as part of Sacto Deal then I dont see Toronto letting #8 go
If Sacto does give up #5 For 1yr of Daly and #14 and #16, Im gonna be sick
Maybe if they take Hayes (they like him anyway)
Then we take Parsons for Salmons/Garcia (switch starting SF) and save some dough
then could amnesty the other Garcia
But we still dont get a game changer for number #5, but we can save some bucks
Wow sounds like a real Magoof deal to me
Would eliminate expensive deadwood (Hays,Salmons,Garcia)
Set us up for a trade for a starter vet (could absorb salary) that we could not do before
I agree, we need to cut some of the dead timber. I hate to bring up the unlikely, but we can still amnesty either Cisco or Salmons. I perfer Salmons because along with clearing a roster spot, it clears more capspace. We would still need to resign JT, so the capspace would help in that area. I still think some team would love to have Salmons at a reduced price, so we wouldn't have to foot the whole bill. I agree that Cisco might be easy to move as filler in a trade because of his expiring contract. Neither of Salmons or Cisco has much of a future here, and I don't say that as a negative about either player. They just aren't good fits, and both for different reasons.
The problem Lowery had with McHale was that he started equalizing the time between Lowery and Dragic. Lowery felt as though he wasn't being given his due respect. He felt he had earned the job there. In fairness to McHale, Lowery was injured and Dragic not only did a very good job of filling the role of PG, he surprised everyone by playing much better defense than expected.
McHale tried to appease the situation by telling Lowery he planned on playing Dragic and Lowery together. I guess Lowery wasn't having any of it.
McHale tried to appease the situation by telling Lowery he planned on playing Dragic and Lowery together. I guess Lowery wasn't having any of it.
If he is who everyone says he is, then I don't see how he isn't a great fit. Sure, he's a slasher, but he's a low shots-per-game guy who can give us elite level defense at a spot where we really need it. I'm not really concerned with his offense right now.
I personally would start Evans-Thornton-MKG under that scenario for Thorntons shooting, and our shooting as a whole wouldn't be that far off from other teams. I'd say a good portion of teams have ONE really good shooter out of their PG-SG-SF spots. MKG shot .255 from 3... which is better than what a guy like Kawhi Leonard shot during his first year in college. I have hope for him as a shooter.
The hope would obviously be that what we lose in shooting we make up for in hustle, energy, rebounding, size, etc.
The issue is that we need to keep Evans for this team to succeed. I say that because any SF who is also starting with Thomas and Thornton is going to struggle. IT and MT are simply too small to start together, and that is exactly what we are facing if we send Evans out in a deal. If Evans can find a way to improve his outside shot like Lowry was able to do .. then we'd be in business.
Whatever happens though .. we cannot go into next season with IT and MT as the starting guards. It would be a disaster.
I personally would start Evans-Thornton-MKG under that scenario for Thorntons shooting, and our shooting as a whole wouldn't be that far off from other teams. I'd say a good portion of teams have ONE really good shooter out of their PG-SG-SF spots. MKG shot .255 from 3... which is better than what a guy like Kawhi Leonard shot during his first year in college. I have hope for him as a shooter.
The hope would obviously be that what we lose in shooting we make up for in hustle, energy, rebounding, size, etc.
The issue is that we need to keep Evans for this team to succeed. I say that because any SF who is also starting with Thomas and Thornton is going to struggle. IT and MT are simply too small to start together, and that is exactly what we are facing if we send Evans out in a deal. If Evans can find a way to improve his outside shot like Lowry was able to do .. then we'd be in business.
Whatever happens though .. we cannot go into next season with IT and MT as the starting guards. It would be a disaster.
I have to assume that somehow Houston knows that Orlando would like to have Drummond. Between Toronto and Sacramento, there's only one pick that would guarantee Drummond being part of the deal, and thats the 5th pick in the draft. So the 8th pick is rendered useless in that area. So its possible that the Kings don't want to move all the way down to 14 and 16. But moving down to the 8th spot, and then aquiring either the 14th or 16 pick isn't a bad deal. Lowery could go to Toronto straight up for the 8th pick, which would move to the Kings. The Kings then receive Dalembert and the 16th or 14th pick from Houston. Houston could then move the 5th and 14th or 16th pick to Orlando as part of a deal to aquire Howard.
Now if this is a game time deal, then I'm all for it. But if its done deal prior to the draft, I'm not so sure. I'd hate to make this deal in advance and then see MKG sitting there when its our time to choose. Not saying I wouldn't, but I'd have to think about it.
Now if this is a game time deal, then I'm all for it. But if its done deal prior to the draft, I'm not so sure. I'd hate to make this deal in advance and then see MKG sitting there when its our time to choose. Not saying I wouldn't, but I'd have to think about it.
The only part of your scenario that I would dispute is with Jimmer. You could ultimately be right, but its way too early to tell. PG and Center are the two most difficult positions to fill and play. Both, in general take time. So lets take up the Fredette situation in a couple of years and see where he's at. No argument with the rest.
Thanks for the info. So Dragic is an unresticted FA this year. If Houston trades Lowry, it seems to me they have to either have already re-signed Dragic or make some kind of deal to get a pg with a longer contract.
Also, Lowry's contract expires in 2013. (That's what I got on one web site, anyway). How does that fit into the picture?
PS Another website (http://hoopshype.com/salaries/houston.htm) had Lowry's contract expiring in 2014.
Also, Lowry's contract expires in 2013. (That's what I got on one web site, anyway). How does that fit into the picture?
PS Another website (http://hoopshype.com/salaries/houston.htm) had Lowry's contract expiring in 2014.
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I may have disparaged his offensive game a little much. It was just to highlight how much I want his intangibles and how much I think his spirit will lift everyone else. We need a guy who does things the right way, every play. Vet leadership, sure. But who is that? No vet with any actual credibility (being old doesn't mean people automatically take a knee everytime you speak) will come here and babysit. The other options areheralded coach, or a kid who is mature and does all of the little things. Enter mkg. Not Henson, harkless, whomever else. Those are just players. Mkg is a leader. Reke is too quiet, seems to lack focus. Cousins is too emotional. They lead in their own ways, but You need a Duncan, a Durant, fisher. Their glue ability is what keeps their teams humming.
I have sweaty palms about this Lowry deal, I think he fits in great here paired next to Evans but GP stunk up the joint last summer so I don't have a great deal of confidence in him right now. I think some form of #5 & Hayes for Lowry & Dally & #14 ( it costs to get a top 5 pick without enduring a ###### season).
Then that leaves us needing to make another trade to shed some of these guards but thats easier said than done.
Whats Jimmer's role (potential) or trade value?
Do we really want to trade MT? (leading scorer & closer with a fair contract)
Amnesty Garcia?
Salmons???
Release Honeycutt?
Another option I hope GP explores is dumping Salmons contract for the #5 for a late lotto pick.
Then that leaves us needing to make another trade to shed some of these guards but thats easier said than done.
Whats Jimmer's role (potential) or trade value?
Do we really want to trade MT? (leading scorer & closer with a fair contract)
Amnesty Garcia?
Salmons???
Release Honeycutt?
Another option I hope GP explores is dumping Salmons contract for the #5 for a late lotto pick.
Given that they have worked out players in the 8-16 range, you might be right. They seem to have been on this track since after the combine. So the chances of the Kings keeping that #5 appear to be slim.
I've heard so many variations of what could be coming and going. The worst of which was the one I posted about the Kings ending up with only Dally and the #16 for the #5. I want to believe something good is coming, but after last summer's roster moves were utter failures... I am holding off on those high hopes.
I've heard so many variations of what could be coming and going. The worst of which was the one I posted about the Kings ending up with only Dally and the #16 for the #5. I want to believe something good is coming, but after last summer's roster moves were utter failures... I am holding off on those high hopes.
