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#61
Bobcats, Portland, Spurs and also a game from OKC( when you meet a team 3 times in such a small period of time it's not far fetched to grab 1 win out of it maybe at home).

I just hope we can loose and not have any stupid surprises - but the potential scares are from these games - and I think we'll grab 2-3 wins out of them, although I hope not.
 
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Kingster

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#62
Don't make an "at worst" when it's truly not the worst scenario here. You'll jinx us. Kings absolutely love to ruin long term plans with silly upsets. We need to tell the refs to start calling more fouls on Cousins and tell Tyreke he's our only deep ball threat. He's shooting far too little from that 20% area nowadays. Also, Terrance Williams is playing for his NBA life. He will have none of this tanking business.
I did think long and hard about the "at worst" proviso, but I figured I'd jump off the cliff on this one.:D Terrance Williams is the fly in the ointment, but I still contend that his insertion into the lineup this late in the season is going cause turnovers and miscommunications, which will offset his talent. This team has considerable momentum working for it, with each new game providing a new name to the All-Star ballot from the opposing team. Even NO gets a guy on the All-Star ballot with the inimitiable name of Smith. Next up is OKC. I would expect Sefolosha or maybe even Royal Ivey (yes, Royal Ivey) to be the next All-Star candidate.
 
#64
We absolutely have to loose the next 2 home games against Portland and San Antonio.

If we do that I think we're gonna be the frontrunners for the 4th place - and if New Orleans keeps winning with Eric Gordon now back - we might even be able to sneak into 3rd if we stay win-less or maximum get 1 win against the Bobcats till the end of the year.

Toronto winning today was HUGE.. New Jersey also set themselves apart - Seems it's down to us, Cleveland and Toronto to battle out for 4 5 and 6.
 
#65
Hey, Cavs did noble thing and left Kings alone at #4 spot from the bottom. With the way "great coach" puts "great product on the court" poor Nawlings can lose their #3 spot in no time. :D
 
#66
The way GMs try to put thier teams in the best position to loose is just starting to get ridiculous :D

Toronto took out Bargnani, Calderon, and Bayles out till the end of the season and starts 2 D-League players and has 1 or 2 more on the rotation.

Cleveland took out Varejao, Kyrie - and now Antwan Jamison and Boobie Gibson aswell as Semih Erden - they also start a D-League player and have 2 more on the rotation - all playing major minutes aswell (they actually won them thier game last night) - and get this, they not only take D-League players, they also order them to go back down and play WITH the D-League team right after, and call them back up again - probably as punishment for winning them a game to physically drain them :D

Golden State also got Steph out for the season aswell and Bogut - and they now out of the blue shut down both David Lee and Richard Jefferson for the season cause "the doctors called them and told them they need to shut this guy out or he'll get even more hurt" :D


Us and Detroit and just about the only "tanking" teams that don't have a GM going to the extreme shutting all his players down trying to put his team in the best position to loose - and the kick is we're the only ones that keeps on loosing and loosing. lol.
 
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#67
A lot of times, putting in D-leaguers this late in the season for an already bad team definitely has a chance at backfiring as those are the type of guys that are going to work their heart out for a job in the NBA. They have nothing to lose.
 
#68
A lot of times, putting in D-leaguers this late in the season for an already bad team definitely has a chance at backfiring as those are the type of guys that are going to work their heart out for a job in the NBA. They have nothing to lose.
+1
Thing is coach knows his players so it's not a problem to put a lineup that will struggle scoring and since Kings don't play defense opponent's run is guaranteed.
 
#70
Well what a silly win that was.

I just hope this isn't gonna create some chain reaction and get us a dreadful home win stretch and our only other win till the end of the season will be to The Bobcats.

On the bright side Toronto won @ Atlanta so there's that - Cleveland lost to the Magic at home though - Detroit still battling it out with The Bulls at OT right now.

If we get 1 more win from : Spurs, Thunder, @Thunder and Lakers we just might end up finding ourselfs with a 6th-7th-8th or even 9th draft pick. we gotta get the job done and loose all of these games and maximum get 1 win @Bobcats.
 
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Portland 28 33 0.459 16.5 20-23 4-8 20-12 8-21 4-6 L 2
Minnesotao 25 36 0.410 19.5 19-26 4-8 13-17 12-19 1-9 L 9
Golden Stateo 22 37 0.373 21.5 15-26 7-7 12-17 10-20 2-8 L 4
Detroito 22 38 0.367 24.0 17-26 3-10 15-14 7-24 4-6 L 2
New Jerseyo 22 39 0.361 24.5 16-27 5-6 9-21 13-18 6-4 L 1
Torontoo 22 39 0.361 24.5 14-29 6-8 12-19 10-20 5-5 W 2
Clevelando 20 39 0.339 25.5 12-31 3-10 10-20 10-19 3-7 L 1
Sacramentoo 20 41 0.328 24.5 15-29 2-10 15-15 5-26 2-8 W 1
New Orleanso 18 42 0.300 26.0 12-31 2-9 10-22 8-20 5-5 W 3
Washingtono 14 46 0.233 32.0 10-32 4-7 8-22 6-24 3-7 L 2
Charlotteo 7 52 0.119 38.5 5-39 1-12 4-24 3-28 0-10 L 16

damn, tied for 4th again.... cmon nawlins! you can squeak out another 3 wins in the season
 
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№	Teams	        W	L	Games
9	Golden State	22	37	7
8	Detroit	        22	38	6
7	New Jersey  	22	39	5
6	Toronto      	22	39	5
5	Cleveland	20	39	7
4	Sacramento	20	41	5
3	New Orleans	18	42	6
2	Washington	14	46	6
1	Charlotte	 7	52	7
 
#75
So our fellow tankers are Golden State, Detroit, New Jersey, Toronto, Cleveland - excluding New Orleans even though they're hot right now and don't look like stopping - the focus is the 4th or atleast 5th worst spot imo - that's what all of the above got left and what I think will happen :


Golden State(22 wins) remaining games :

They're scaring me the most out of the 22 wins group. they absolutely HAVE to pick 7th or they loose their draft pick - they already shut down Steph Curry and Bogut - and now David Lee and Richard Jefferson aswell - pretty much saying "even if you hand it to us, we're not gonna take it"

vs San Antonio
vs Lakers
@ Dallas
@ Houston
@ Minnesota
vs New Orleans
vs San Antonio

Trying to be realistic - the only really winnable game is against NO, but the way The Hornets are playing right now and the way GS absolutely can't get any more wins it seems like that's what thier win column will show at the end of the season aswell.. the other game we can MAYBE hope for a result in is @Minni, but again it seems like a longshot.
Estimation : 22 wins.



Detroit(22 wins) remaining games :

I think we're pretty safe from Detroit tbh.
Other then us and the Hornets they're pretty much the only team whos GM isn't aggressively trying to put his team in a position to loose shutting players down.
They play hard every game - are a very tough home team against just about anyone in the league, play good defense and never quit.

vs Cleveland
@ Atlanta
vs Minnesota
vs Toronto
@ Indiana
vs Philadelphia

They got 2 games against direct competition in Toronto and Cleveland which I think they'll win or atleast split - another home game against the Love-less Wolves they're favorite to beat - and as they're playing so good at home they might even get a W against Philly in the last game of the year too.
Estimation : 25 wins.



New Jersey(22 wins) remaining games :

The Nets don't really have nothing to loose for - they don't own their pick unless they finish top 3 - and they need to play good to show Deron Williams he got a reason to stay.. The problem for us is they're just not so good at basketball as a team, and have very tough games remaining.

vs Miami
vs New York
@ Milwaukee
vs Philadelphia
@ Toronto

Even if they got 3 home games, you couldn't really call thier arena 'home' - and it's against either an elite team(Miami) - or pretty good teams that are fighting for their playoff lifes(Knicks, Bucks, Philly).
Only winnable game here is Toronto away. Toronto are a tough team at home and play hard every game - but seeing it's the last game of the year and a win could mean the world for Toronto I can see them loosing this one with their GM making up DNPs out of thin air, calling an entire D-League team to play instead, seeing nothing else worked for him yet in his desperate attempt to make his team loose + NJ are a pretty solid away team.
Estimation : 23 wins.



Toronto(22 wins) remaining games :

What a joke. their GM is handing people DNPs for nose bleeding and back scratching, starting 2 D-League players with major minutes, resting their best players - and they STILL manage to win games against the redhot Celtics at home and @Atlanta.
Bryan Colangelo is prolly at home crying right now thinking of a how to get Dwayne Casey a DNC somehow.. the man is just leading a bunch of scrubs to play hard every night and win against top playoff teams. bad news for the Raptors this year - good news for their future though, cause the man is one heck of a coach.

vs Atlanta
@ Miami
@ Detroit
@ Milwaukee
vs New Jersey

They just destroyed Atlanta away, and they're a very tough home team that plays hard every night - so a win there is very much possible - aswell as the Detroit game even though it's away and Detroit match their "never say die" attitude - so I think they'll prolly pick 1 game from these 2.
Heat and Bucks are fighting for something and are just better and at home so that's 2 L's - and vs NJ even tho it'll be close I can't see BC allowing that team to win that game.
Estimation : 23 wins.



Cleveland(20 wins) remaining games :

Like Toronto they're also in a quest to loose as much as possible, with 3-4 D League players playing starter or rotation minutes and shutting down about 4-5 players including Kyrie Irving. They really got their eyes on that 4th worst spot and are doing anything to get it.

@ Detroit
vs Philadelphia
vs New York
@ San Antonio
@ Memphis
vs Washington
@ Chicago

The Detroit game is one where they might win, but I really doubt they will - same as I doubt they'll get another win from any other game they got except for 1.
That Washington game is super important for us if we want a shot at that 4th worst place - their GM will prolly try his hardest to make sure they loose that game, but he tried to do the same against them away starting 3 D-League players and still got a W, and that's cause the Wizards are just that bad - and lucky for us - a worst away team then they are a home team.
Estimation : 21 wins.



Sacramento(20 wins) remaining games :

So unlike most of the other teams we don't really TRY to loose, shut down players or do any of those stuff - we just simply suck. After all these years if there's one ability we perfected into art it's loosing - and it looks like it's starting to pay dividends - disregarding the awful win last night - and our schedule atleast on paper seems like maybe the hardest of all the other tankers.

vs San Antonio
vs Oklahoma City
@ Charlotte
@ Oklahoma City
vs Lakers

I know i'm too harsh on us then others but it is what it is.

Spurs at home is a major major game here in my opinion - they play us as their 3rd night of a back to back to back having played the Warriors away, and the Lakers at home on ESPN 1 day before us.
They will at best be very tired - and at worst rest all their major players and starters.
So considering that, and with us playing at home after 2 days of rest playing everyone we got in a run and gun high tempo style of play with the crowd behind us - a win for us there is a pretty real scenario.
The reason that's a major game is - a win there will stretch it to a 2 game win streak, sending us to that OKC game again rested with VERY high moral against a team we already beat at home before and just knocked us out of the park a few days ago - so I think if we don't win SA we can mark this down as a loss too - but if they do, it might cause a chain reaction that will end with a 4 game win streak.

The Bobcats game is pretty much a lock as a W - and @OKC it's just as much lock as a L - leaving us with the Kobe-less Lakers at home in the last day, and the Lakers at home is always a possible win for us no matter what - esp as the Lakers might rest other players for the playoffs, and we'll fight extra hard to give(SOME) fans the W they want.
Estimation : 22 wins.



If i'm correct it'll look like this :

9. Detroit : 25-41 (1.7% to win)
T7. New Jersey : 23-43 (3.5% to win)
T7. Toronto : 23-43 (3.5% to win)
T5. Golden State : 22-44 (7.5% to win)
T5. Sacramento : 22-44 (7.5% to win)
4. Cleveland : 21-45 (11.9% to win)
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3. New Orleans (15.6% to win)
2. Washington (19.9% to win)
1. Charlotte (25% to win)
 
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#78
Yeah this was a horrible win. I can't believe they did that. Course, the shortsighted fans are screaming about how awesome this win was.
Our players like to win. Unless you can prove otherwise it's a bit shortsighted of you to act like winning a freaking game (ONE game) is such a bad thing.
 
#79
Since the return of Eric Gordon Hornets are 5-1 in the games he played (they lost to LAL and won against Kings in two games in between he missed) beating teams like Denver, Utah, Memphis so I feel like they have at least 2 99%-sure wins against Bobcats and Warriors and from othe 4 games they should at least take 1 so even with 22 wins I think Kings will tie for 4th or maybe even 3rd.
 

bajaden

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#80
The only team I see us beating, and thats iffy, is Charlotte. We barely beat a depleted Portland team tonight, and we didn't play very well on the defensive side of the ball. Personally, I think we'll be lucky to win another game. But maybe thats just subconcious wishful thinking on my part. I have a very difficult time rooting for a loss while watching the game. The old competitive juices kick in, and I'm screaming at my TV.. Then afterward, I'm cursing about the win.

How many players the Lakers rest will probably depend on how close the Clips are to taking over the 3rd spot, or if the Lakers have a shot at the 2nd spot in the rankings. If neither of those are options, then I agree they'll probably rest whoever they can.
 
#81
The only team I see us beating, and thats iffy, is Charlotte. We barely beat a depleted Portland team tonight, and we didn't play very well on the defensive side of the ball. Personally, I think we'll be lucky to win another game. But maybe thats just subconcious wishful thinking on my part. I have a very difficult time rooting for a loss while watching the game. The old competitive juices kick in, and I'm screaming at my TV.. Then afterward, I'm cursing about the win.

How many players the Lakers rest will probably depend on how close the Clips are to taking over the 3rd spot, or if the Lakers have a shot at the 2nd spot in the rankings. If neither of those are options, then I agree they'll probably rest whoever they can.
I watch with mixed emotions too, root for a good play then look at the score and curse when we cruise. A perfect game would be competitive till the end and lose by a single point or two. MT ruined my day today.
The last game against the Lakers will be hard to root for lin.
 
#83
I watch with mixed emotions too, root for a good play then look at the score and curse when we cruise. A perfect game would be competitive till the end and lose by a single point or two. MT ruined my day today.
The last game against the Lakers will be hard to root for lin.

The beauty of the draft is that ultimately "lins and wosses" don't matter. We're deep in the lottery with good odds at a number one pick, but the real odds are that the worst team won't get the number one pick. Yeah it makes a difference if we miss the top 3 how many losses we have, but any day of the week I'll take a solid win and great basketball over a "moral victory" and a close loss. Otherwise what's the point of even watching?
 
#84
I would agree with you in early or mid season, now we are 4th in the lottery and one slot up or down matters. I rather root for a lin for a good pick than pointless wins over the last few games.
 
#85
Minnesotao 25 37 0.403 20.0 19-26 4-8 13-17 12-20 0-10 L 10
Golden Stateo 22 38 0.367 22.0 15-27 7-7 12-18 10-20 2-8 L 5
Detroito 22 38 0.367 23.5 17-26 3-10 15-14 7-24 4-6 L 2
New Jerseyo 22 40 0.355 24.5 16-28 5-6 9-22 13-18 5-5 L 2
Torontoo 22 40 0.355 24.5 14-30 6-8 12-20 10-20 5-5 L 1
Clevelando 20 39 0.339 25.0 12-31 3-10 10-20 10-19 3-7 L 1
Sacramentoo 20 41 0.328 24.5 15-29 2-10 15-15 5-26 2-8 W 1
New Orleanso 19 42 0.311 25.5 12-31 2-9 10-22 9-20 6-4 W 4
Washingtono 15 46 0.246 31.0 11-32 4-7 8-22 7-24 3-7 W 1
Charlotteo 7 53 0.117 38.5 5-39 1-12 4-25 3-28 0-10 L 17

if new orleans keeps this up, we might be able to sneak into the 3rd worst record
 
#88
Lebron scores the last 17 points of the game for the Heat and prevents a NJ win:( They led by like 14 at one point and by 6 with less then 2 minutes left.

GS, Toronto loose aswell.


Sucks that we could really be tied for 3rd worst right now if not that needless gamewinner from MT like you guys said, but we need to focus on keeping that 4th worst spot and not screw everything up in the last minute.

Like someone said, these pointless extra wins could be a difference between a Spencer Hawes and a Joakim Noah.
 
#90
The beauty of the draft is that ultimately "lins and wosses" don't matter. We're deep in the lottery with good odds at a number one pick, but the real odds are that the worst team won't get the number one pick. Yeah it makes a difference if we miss the top 3 how many losses we have, but any day of the week I'll take a solid win and great basketball over a "moral victory" and a close loss. Otherwise what's the point of even watching?
Going after every single win like every other win may be good for a player, but it's not for a franchise. Ask Pop, who is one of the best coaches and GMs in the league. He rests his stars, expecting a loss, so that he may win more later on.

Your last question, "what's the point of even watching?" is the only real quibble that one may have with the strategy. For season ticket holders, I understand that they didn't pay coaches to keep marquee players out of the game or to not try their hardest to win. That goes against each game. But these draft rules are the rules, and come draft day if we miss out on MKG and have to settle for Barnes because of a MT last second game winner that didn't need to be (after all, everyone got a good amount of entertainment and one upmanship in that game. It wasn't a blowout.), well, how would you feel as a perennial season ticket holder? Would you trade that game winner for a better player? Or more chances at a franchise changing defensive player? Or a guy who could change the entire attitude of your team for years to come?

Given our bad luck, I would say that securing higher positioning is not as important in more chances for 1st, but locking in the fact that you can only fall 3 spots from where you are. at 5th, your worst case is 8th. At 3rd, your worst case is 6th, etc. Take a look at the players who will fit here, who we need. See where they go away. See where there are big dips in talent level. I would say 6th is where it drops off, and that's assuming someone above 6 will take a SG.
 
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