It also depends on whether Hamilton falls, and if so, how far. Some mocks have him at #6, some have him at #20. Anything can happen in the next five weeks. If we're talking about trading down to the late teens or early 20s, thats a substantial savings. But trading just three or four spots isn't really worth it, unless you're getting another player out of it that has the potential to help the team.
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My problem with Hamilton is that he's a shooter, and that's pretty much it. We need defense at the 3, more than we need shooting, with Thornton here. I don't want to go after a shooter at the 3, who isn't a good defender, but rather get a defensive minded 3, that can get even better at defense. In my eyes, defense is the priority over shooting. If we were picking 12-20, I'd have no problem with Hamilton, but given where we're picking, we'll have better defensive minded sf's available.
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Where are you getting that he's a bad defender? Watched him many many times this year, and he did fine. Not great, but he wasn't a bad defender..
Aslo, we don't need 4 players on the floor that are all ball handlers all holding the ball creating their shots. We need a guy that can catch and shoot like Peja is doing for the Mavs. We weren't suceeding this year because everyone out there is trying to get their own shot. Hamilton can be a GREAT catch and shoot guy in the NBA.. By great I mean FANTASTIC
Aslo, we don't need 4 players on the floor that are all ball handlers all holding the ball creating their shots. We need a guy that can catch and shoot like Peja is doing for the Mavs. We weren't suceeding this year because everyone out there is trying to get their own shot. Hamilton can be a GREAT catch and shoot guy in the NBA.. By great I mean FANTASTIC
Where are you getting that he's a bad defender? Watched him many many times this year, and he did fine. Not great, but he wasn't a bad defender..
Aslo, we don't need 4 players on the floor that are all ball handlers all holding the ball creating their shots. We need a guy that can catch and shoot like Peja is doing for the Mavs. We weren't suceeding this year because everyone out there is trying to get their own shot. Hamilton can be a GREAT catch and shoot guy in the NBA.. By great I mean FANTASTIC
Aslo, we don't need 4 players on the floor that are all ball handlers all holding the ball creating their shots. We need a guy that can catch and shoot like Peja is doing for the Mavs. We weren't suceeding this year because everyone out there is trying to get their own shot. Hamilton can be a GREAT catch and shoot guy in the NBA.. By great I mean FANTASTIC
From our sf, I want defense, rebounding, high energy, ability to handle the ball, and hit an open jumper. IMO, Leonard can do all of those, and therefor contributes in more important areas for this team. Vesley isn't a good rebounder eventhough he's 6'11", but he's incredibly active and athletic, and a good defender who can defend 3's and 4's. That's more important to me.
Leonard compares to G Wallace and a younger Artest.
Vesley compared to AK47.
That is exactly the kind of player I want at the 3, and if one is available, take him. If they weren't available I'd have no problem going for a shooter.
He did bring the ball up quite a bit this year, and quarterbacked quite a bit of breaks.. Great might have been a stretch but I was meaning for a SF. He's as good of a passer as any SF in this draft. You won't see him screwing up many passes, or catch and pass passes.
I don't know if he's going to jump into the top 10, but I think he has as much talent as any SF in this years draft. Watched a lot of SFs last year in college because I knew we needed a 3pt shooter, and we weren't getting it from our other two (Omri tends to hold the ball too long).
Again, this draft is kind of weak so rather than going for someone that may or may not succeed I would rather the Kings try to fill a need.. A player that can do the things I mentioned would make the team much better, and I think Hamilton comes closest to giving the Kings just that.
I don't know if he's going to jump into the top 10, but I think he has as much talent as any SF in this years draft. Watched a lot of SFs last year in college because I knew we needed a 3pt shooter, and we weren't getting it from our other two (Omri tends to hold the ball too long).
Again, this draft is kind of weak so rather than going for someone that may or may not succeed I would rather the Kings try to fill a need.. A player that can do the things I mentioned would make the team much better, and I think Hamilton comes closest to giving the Kings just that.
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I don't know. I think if you're going with Knight then you're changing the whole dynamics of the team. Where does Tyreke play? Are you going to trade him or just not sign Thornton? Knight would take this team in a whole other direction. If we did draft a point guard it would make more sense for it to be Walker. I know most people don't like him for our team, but he would be an energy guy off the bench that could keep the scoring going when the starters are on the bench or to create problems for teams that have a hard time guarding small quick guards(Lakers). But Walker wouldn't be a starter.
Petrie loves versatility and creating mismatches more than just pure shooting. Leonard can play/guard multiple positions and has nothing but upside. We drafted a shot blocking center last year in Whiteside, so I think Biyombo is out of the equation. Our weakest position is SF.
My wish is that we draft Leonard if available and bring in a veteran big man in the Juwan Howard mold to help mentor Cousins. Let the back court of Evans and Thornton learn to play together. Between Cousins, Thornton and Tyreke, we have enough scoring. Tell Leonard to go in and just be a lock down defender and crash the boards. With that, I think we'd be poised for a solid run. Would I like AI or AK47? Yes. But if we're building through the draft like Portland did, then I think this is our best case scenario.
Petrie loves versatility and creating mismatches more than just pure shooting. Leonard can play/guard multiple positions and has nothing but upside. We drafted a shot blocking center last year in Whiteside, so I think Biyombo is out of the equation. Our weakest position is SF.
My wish is that we draft Leonard if available and bring in a veteran big man in the Juwan Howard mold to help mentor Cousins. Let the back court of Evans and Thornton learn to play together. Between Cousins, Thornton and Tyreke, we have enough scoring. Tell Leonard to go in and just be a lock down defender and crash the boards. With that, I think we'd be poised for a solid run. Would I like AI or AK47? Yes. But if we're building through the draft like Portland did, then I think this is our best case scenario.
I hope the basketball gods are thinking the same way you are.
About Biyombo. I would give a lot of thought to taking Faried over Biyombo. At least I have seen what Faried can do against top college competition. What kind of competition has Biyombo gone up against for a whole season?
I'm just not sold on him. I hope he goes in the top six so we don't have to worry about it.
About Biyombo. I would give a lot of thought to taking Faried over Biyombo. At least I have seen what Faried can do against top college competition. What kind of competition has Biyombo gone up against for a whole season?
I'm just not sold on him. I hope he goes in the top six so we don't have to worry about it.
I don't think Biyambo is out of the equation at all. Last year, Whiteside showed us absolutely nothing, except the fact that he has a questionable work ethic and being oft-injured. Whiteside is raw, so I don't quite understand the perception that he will amount to anything. Until Whiteside can prove he can stay healthy, we can't rely on him to be the future PF.
I think Biyambo or Leonard would be good fits for this team.
I think Biyambo or Leonard would be good fits for this team.
I guess I know exactly what I have in Beno and I'm good with that coming off the bench. I know what Knight is supposed to be but he hasn't done it yet. Instead of drafting a position where you're ok, fill the need. Unless you're sure Knight is going to be a star. If you're not ready to make a move for a playoff run, then it makes sense to just stockpile talent, regardless of position. With a healthy Evans and Thornton now in the mix, we're better than a 24 win team. So I think its time to act like we have our nucleus and starting filling in the holes on the roster.
Biyambo is raw as well. It's not hard to find an undersized hard working big man . It's harder to find the 7 ft big man with the same skills, which is why they are so coveted and you don't give up on them after one injury plagued year. In my opinion Biyambo is a project. Why draft the same project 2 years in a row?
I tend to agree with this. I don't think Biyambo is a Petrie type pick regardless. I think some team will take the big risk on him though. If he's available in our range it gives us some good trade leverage with the interested teams. I know Philly is in desperate need of a defending/rebounding big man.
I'm not endorsing giving up on Whiteside. I'm saying let's not put all our eggs in white basket. Whiteside showed NOTHING last year, so there is not reason to believe he will pan out. Unless you know for certain Whiteside will amount to anything, what harm is there in drafting another project? Cousins is our center, but his deficiencies in athleticism and shot blocking make this team susceptible on defense. We need to pair Cousins with a PF or SF who can do the things Cousins can't do on defense.
I'm quite comfortable with Cousins paired with Dalembert.
As far as projects go, playoffs teams can play around with projects. Kings need to start filling holes with their lottery picks. Take a project with our 2nd rounder. I'm good with that. Resigning Dalembert is more important than trying to find his replacement through the draft at this point.
As far as projects go, playoffs teams can play around with projects. Kings need to start filling holes with their lottery picks. Take a project with our 2nd rounder. I'm good with that. Resigning Dalembert is more important than trying to find his replacement through the draft at this point.
A PF/C is probably the optimal position for us to get in this draft. We could use a PG with more potential but with Tyreke always dominating the ball perhaps Beno has the ideal role of being a side guy who can complement him--that omits ball-dominating options like Kemba Walker and Brandon Knight (who's overrated) already. We have the SF triumvirate of Greene-Casspi-Garcia, but if Casspi gets traded, we can afford to look at one (although probably not at this draft, more likely at free agency). With Dalembert possibly leaving, we can really use a defensive C to complement Cousins' offensive game. A defensive PF would work as well as Cousins could switch to C in an Al Jefferson-esque type role. So looking at the PFs and C's, and having established my scouting reports throughout the year, here's my picks for #7:
1) Bismack Biyombo.
--Sustainable, NBA-ready elite-level defensive playmaking. Good rebounder.
--Wreck offensively. Zero shooting/zero ballhandling ability. Some offensive upside as he draws a ton of fouls.
--Lacks real height (6'9) to play Cs in this league.
--Comparison: Defensive Serge Ibaka
2) Kawhi Leonard.
--Peaked, NBA-ready.
--Excellent, NBA-ready rebounder at 6'7". Not overwhelming defensively but makes decent number of plays without fouling. Strong intangibles.
--Long wingspan. Mitts for hands. Well conditioned.
--OK shooter. Good passer/ballhandler for size. Incredibly nonelusive/mechanical offense limits offensive upside severely.
--Comparison: Early Shawn Marion
3) Tristan Thompson
--NBA-ready elite defensive playmaking without picking up fouls. Only 6'8" but long reach makes him bigger than many PFs in league. Very active, makes up with motor and athleticism. However, just a decent rebounder.
--Poor offensive player. Draws a ton of fouls but has zero range/shooting ability. Nondescript ballhandler/passer.
--Long wingspan and good lateral quickness for size. Just OK-sized hands. Good enough conditioning. Should really add strength.
--Comparison: Kenyon Martin
4) Jonas Valanciunas
--Major project on both ends of the court.
--Very good, NBA-ready rebounding ability at 6'11". Very athletic for size.
--Bad offensive player with incredibly nonelusive/mechanical offense. Zero handles/court vision. Some shooting potential?
--Overwhelmed on defense. Struggles to make defensive plays, and also extremely foul prone.
--Comparison: Andris Biedrins
Avoid at all costs:
5) Lucas Nogueira.
--Incredibly raw/unproven. 7-foot athletic freak, dunk/block machine. Virtual unknown, very few data points.
6) Markieff Morris.
--Relatively NBA-ready. Excellent rebounder at 6'10". Decent but not great defensive playmaker, very foul prone. Bad offensive player with poor shooting touch, mechanical offense. OK passer. Small hands and short wingspan. Questionable conditioning. Needs to add strength.
7) Jan Vesely.
--Freak athlete. Versatile skeleton, very tall SF. Attempts to slash, shoot from distance, with OK passing at 6'11". Nondescript, foul-prone defense. Doesn't rebound. Bad offensive player. Poor shooter.
8) Donatas Motiejunas.
--NBA-ready 7-foot shooter. Nondescript offensive construct. Poor passer. Poor rebounder. Overwhelmed defensively. Can't make defensive plays, and foul prone.
9) Marcus Morris.
--NBA ready. Just a decent rebounder at 6'9". Questionable shooting touch with mechanical offensive construct. Ordinary passer/ballhandler. Overwhelmed defensively. Can't make defensive plays, and a bit foul prone. Small hands and short wingspan, with just OK conditioning. Needs to add strength.
10) Enes Kanter.
--6'11", Skilled but unathletic widebody scorer. Some rebounding ability. Well conditioned, large hands. Small wingspan. Can be overmatched defensively. Way too few data points to make a judgment.
1) Bismack Biyombo.
--Sustainable, NBA-ready elite-level defensive playmaking. Good rebounder.
--Wreck offensively. Zero shooting/zero ballhandling ability. Some offensive upside as he draws a ton of fouls.
--Lacks real height (6'9) to play Cs in this league.
--Comparison: Defensive Serge Ibaka
2) Kawhi Leonard.
--Peaked, NBA-ready.
--Excellent, NBA-ready rebounder at 6'7". Not overwhelming defensively but makes decent number of plays without fouling. Strong intangibles.
--Long wingspan. Mitts for hands. Well conditioned.
--OK shooter. Good passer/ballhandler for size. Incredibly nonelusive/mechanical offense limits offensive upside severely.
--Comparison: Early Shawn Marion
3) Tristan Thompson
--NBA-ready elite defensive playmaking without picking up fouls. Only 6'8" but long reach makes him bigger than many PFs in league. Very active, makes up with motor and athleticism. However, just a decent rebounder.
--Poor offensive player. Draws a ton of fouls but has zero range/shooting ability. Nondescript ballhandler/passer.
--Long wingspan and good lateral quickness for size. Just OK-sized hands. Good enough conditioning. Should really add strength.
--Comparison: Kenyon Martin
4) Jonas Valanciunas
--Major project on both ends of the court.
--Very good, NBA-ready rebounding ability at 6'11". Very athletic for size.
--Bad offensive player with incredibly nonelusive/mechanical offense. Zero handles/court vision. Some shooting potential?
--Overwhelmed on defense. Struggles to make defensive plays, and also extremely foul prone.
--Comparison: Andris Biedrins
Avoid at all costs:
5) Lucas Nogueira.
--Incredibly raw/unproven. 7-foot athletic freak, dunk/block machine. Virtual unknown, very few data points.
6) Markieff Morris.
--Relatively NBA-ready. Excellent rebounder at 6'10". Decent but not great defensive playmaker, very foul prone. Bad offensive player with poor shooting touch, mechanical offense. OK passer. Small hands and short wingspan. Questionable conditioning. Needs to add strength.
7) Jan Vesely.
--Freak athlete. Versatile skeleton, very tall SF. Attempts to slash, shoot from distance, with OK passing at 6'11". Nondescript, foul-prone defense. Doesn't rebound. Bad offensive player. Poor shooter.
8) Donatas Motiejunas.
--NBA-ready 7-foot shooter. Nondescript offensive construct. Poor passer. Poor rebounder. Overwhelmed defensively. Can't make defensive plays, and foul prone.
9) Marcus Morris.
--NBA ready. Just a decent rebounder at 6'9". Questionable shooting touch with mechanical offensive construct. Ordinary passer/ballhandler. Overwhelmed defensively. Can't make defensive plays, and a bit foul prone. Small hands and short wingspan, with just OK conditioning. Needs to add strength.
10) Enes Kanter.
--6'11", Skilled but unathletic widebody scorer. Some rebounding ability. Well conditioned, large hands. Small wingspan. Can be overmatched defensively. Way too few data points to make a judgment.
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I'm sorry, but that's now two of you that have said Leonard has peaked. Telling everyone that a player has peaked before even being drafted into the league is rediculous. You're saying he won't get better, and won't improve offensively, yet every report in the last two weeks suggests hte opposite. Improved shooting, form, ballhandling, and passing. Has gained the reputation of a gym rat as well. Telling me, or anyone that any of these players has peaked is even more rediculous than those who say Reke will never improve on his rookie season.
You guys do realize guys used to play 4 years of college ball, not get drafted until age 22-24, and improve from one season to the next for years, right?
Also, I strongly, strongly disagree with avoiding Kanter at all costs. Sounds like thats coming from someone who's never seen him play a minute of ball. And no, youtube and allstar games do not count. Yes, stay clear of arguably the best big man in the world not in the NBA, only 18 years old, great footwork in the post, smooth jumper out to the NBA 3, very physical, can pass the ball, and got great reviews for improved athleticism as recently as last week.
Who the hell would want a prospect like that? Sounds like a young Vlade, a younger, more athletic Marc Gasol, or even.......similar to Cousins. The Vlade and Gasol comparisons comes from me having seen him play a number of times.
And Vesley is not a poor shooter. From what I've seen, he's no worse than Omri, who can only hit a stand still 3, and has better form and a higher release than Omri. Is he a good shooter? No. But he's decent, and improving. I'd also say he's a better ballhandler than either Omri or Donte. I've seen him take opposing 4's out to the perimeter(most 3's are too short to guard him), cross them over and throw down some impressive dunks.
You guys do realize guys used to play 4 years of college ball, not get drafted until age 22-24, and improve from one season to the next for years, right?
Also, I strongly, strongly disagree with avoiding Kanter at all costs. Sounds like thats coming from someone who's never seen him play a minute of ball. And no, youtube and allstar games do not count. Yes, stay clear of arguably the best big man in the world not in the NBA, only 18 years old, great footwork in the post, smooth jumper out to the NBA 3, very physical, can pass the ball, and got great reviews for improved athleticism as recently as last week.
Who the hell would want a prospect like that? Sounds like a young Vlade, a younger, more athletic Marc Gasol, or even.......similar to Cousins. The Vlade and Gasol comparisons comes from me having seen him play a number of times.
And Vesley is not a poor shooter. From what I've seen, he's no worse than Omri, who can only hit a stand still 3, and has better form and a higher release than Omri. Is he a good shooter? No. But he's decent, and improving. I'd also say he's a better ballhandler than either Omri or Donte. I've seen him take opposing 4's out to the perimeter(most 3's are too short to guard him), cross them over and throw down some impressive dunks.
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