With the 7th pick in the 2011 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select .....

Every year somebody falls down the draft board. I have a feeling Kemba Walker is going to fall to us. He's probably going to measure out smaller than his listed 6'0" height.
 
funkykingston said:
Tyreke isn't a true PG and many will argue that he's not a PG at all and while I disagree, I can understand that. But does anyone disagree that we are looking to he and Cousins to be the building blocks for this team? If so, why would you take the ball out of his hands, take away his physical advantage against smaller guards, reduce his ability to penetrate at will and hand the reins over to a diminutive rookie PG who took 18 shots a game in college and has a shaky outside shot while ALSO pushing Thornton to the bench to do so?(Quote)

You've asked the key question that would get everyone's attention. I do want the two of them to be the cornerstones of the future but not if we have to depend on Tyreke being our best ball handler/distributor. In his two years he not shown me that he is right for that job. If I am right it leaves us with a problem that has to be solved by working a good ball handler in with the two, or replacing Evans. So, for me, now is the time to try the first alternative. Who it would be, I have no idea.
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pshn80 said:
funkykingston said:
Tyreke isn't a true PG and many will argue that he's not a PG at all and while I disagree, I can understand that. But does anyone disagree that we are looking to he and Cousins to be the building blocks for this team? If so, why would you take the ball out of his hands, take away his physical advantage against smaller guards, reduce his ability to penetrate at will and hand the reins over to a diminutive rookie PG who took 18 shots a game in college and has a shaky outside shot while ALSO pushing Thornton to the bench to do so?(Quote)

You've asked the key question that would get everyone's attention. I do want the two of them to be the cornerstones of the future but not if we have to depend on Tyreke being our best ball handler/distributor. In his two years he not shown me that he is right for that job. If I am right it leaves us with a problem that has to be solved by working a good ball handler in with the two, or replacing Evans. So, for me, now is the time to try the first alternative. Who it would be, I have no idea.
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Everybody agrees Tyreke has a high ceiling, an All Star ceiling, but there is no guarantee he gets there. The body of work isn't in in order to make that call. At this point you just want to improve the talent level of your team and increase the flexibility of your roster, so that if Tyreke doesn't turn out as flexible as you hoped in terms of his skills on the floor, then other players are there to compensate.
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LPKingsFan said:
Either way, I don't think you can preemptively write off drafting Bismack simply because we have Whiteside.
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Well, that's fair. I certainly wouldn't if I were sold on Biyombo being better than Whiteside, but I'm not sold on that yet. Biyombo will likely be a better rebounder by a bit. I wouldn't want to take bets on who will be the better shotblocker. Whiteside should be far and away the better offensive player.

I do think that taking Biyombo would definitely mean that Whiteside would be on the way out (so long as we resigned Dalembert). The question is whether we'd be better off going with Cousins/Dalembert/Thompson/Whiteside or with Cousins/Dalembert/Thompson/Biyombo for our frontcourt rotation. Seeing as we've been a strong rebounding team lately I don't see Biyombo making a big positive difference as a member of four-man rotation. Maybe he does. But I think I'd rather hold on to Whiteside and grab Knight/Leonard (if available). If not, maybe take Vesely, maybe trade the pick for a SF.

I'm just not sold on (+Biyombo -Whiteside) being better overall than (+SF +Whiteside). That's all.
 
RookieOfTheDay said:
What sucks is, they could have had last year's Landry Fields but took Whiteside instead, who so far at least, is looking like bust city.
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In fairness, no one complained about the pick, and most were thrilled. I still think Whiteside can end up being a steal. As they say, hindsight is 100%.
 
Hallama said:
I think Chris Singleton is your man.
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I like Singleton, who really improved his outside shot this past season. He was having his best season until he got injuried. Wasn't quite the same player when he came back. Too much rust, and I'm not sure he wasn't rushing back to help his team for the Tourney. Great defender that can defend three positions. Is definitely one of the best athlete's in the entire draft. If Singletons offense matched his defense, he'd be a top 3 player.
 
pshn80 said:
funkykingston said:
Tyreke isn't a true PG and many will argue that he's not a PG at all and while I disagree, I can understand that. But does anyone disagree that we are looking to he and Cousins to be the building blocks for this team? If so, why would you take the ball out of his hands, take away his physical advantage against smaller guards, reduce his ability to penetrate at will and hand the reins over to a diminutive rookie PG who took 18 shots a game in college and has a shaky outside shot while ALSO pushing Thornton to the bench to do so?
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You've asked the key question that would get everyone's attention. I do want the two of them to be the cornerstones of the future but not if we have to depend on Tyreke being our best ball handler/distributor. In his two years he not shown me that he is right for that job. If I am right it leaves us with a problem that has to be solved by working a good ball handler in with the two, or replacing Evans. So, for me, now is the time to try the first alternative. Who it would be, I have no idea.
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Capt. Factorial said:
Well, that's fair. I certainly wouldn't if I were sold on Biyombo being better than Whiteside, but I'm not sold on that yet. Biyombo will likely be a better rebounder by a bit. I wouldn't want to take bets on who will be the better shotblocker. Whiteside should be far and away the better offensive player.

I do think that taking Biyombo would definitely mean that Whiteside would be on the way out (so long as we resigned Dalembert). The question is whether we'd be better off going with Cousins/Dalembert/Thompson/Whiteside or with Cousins/Dalembert/Thompson/Biyombo for our frontcourt rotation. Seeing as we've been a strong rebounding team lately I don't see Biyombo making a big positive difference as a member of four-man rotation. Maybe he does. But I think I'd rather hold on to Whiteside and grab Knight/Leonard (if available). If not, maybe take Vesely, maybe trade the pick for a SF.

I'm just not sold on (+Biyombo -Whiteside) being better overall than (+SF +Whiteside). That's all.
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Put me in the camp with those that aren't sold on Biyombo. I have no idea what his offensive skills are, other than dunking the ball. I have no idea what his basketball IQ is. I used Saer Sene as an example of a player that did the exact same thing in the exact same game, and ended up out of the NBA. That along with the high failure rate of international players in the NBA, and I'm going to take a wait and see attitude.
 
RookieOfTheDay said:
What sucks is, they could have had last year's Landry Fields but took Whiteside instead, who so far at least, is looking like bust city.
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He played a whopping 2 minutes this season according to NBA.com. Any player could look like a bust going by 2 minutes of playing time. Give him a chance. Plus, I don't think a 2nd round pick counts as a "bust".
 
bajaden said:
Put me in the camp with those that aren't sold on Biyombo. I have no idea what his offensive skills are, other than dunking the ball. I have no idea what his basketball IQ is. I used Saer Sene as an example of a player that did the exact same thing in the exact same game, and ended up out of the NBA. That along with the high failure rate of international players in the NBA, and I'm going to take a wait and see attitude.
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Ha I said that a little while ago but apparently it never posted :confused:. I've never seen Biyombo play, it just reminds me of Sene because I never even heard of Biyombo until very recently and all of a sudden he's a top 10 pick, much like Sene was.
 
Leonard
Vesley
Singleton

Unless we trade for a sf, I want one in the draft, and this draft has a handful of defensive minded, athletic sf's, with offensive potential. With our team constructed the way it is now, we can be patient waiting for any offensive contribution, although I'm confident these guys would probably be able to convert an open jumper at the very least. But defensively, i think all 3 of these guys have a good shot at starting at the 3, above Omri/Donte, and immediately helping us on that end.

Of course if we trade for Iggy this idea goes out the window.
 
I've been taking a look at all the teams drafting ahead of us and I think its possible that a player like Knight could slide down to us. There's a slightly less chance of Kanter sliding. This is all speculation on my part, so pick it apart as much as you like.

1. Cleveland: Derrick Williams, 6'8" SF/PF. This isn't a slam dunk between Irving and Williams. But the Cav's have Baron Davis under contract for three more years and have a decent backup in Sessions. So taking Williams makes the most sense for them in the immediate. They could certainly use a top flight SF.

2. Minnesota: Kyrie Irving, 6'2" PG. This is a tricky one. Minny is probably holding their breath in hopes of drafting Williams. Do they really need another PG with the possiblity of Rubio coming over? And if they draft Irving, what message does that send to Rubio? I could see Minny trading the pick and moving down a few spots. Casspi anyone?

3. Utah: Jan Vesely, 6'11" SF. Utah is loaded with big men and have no need for a point guard. So unless they think someone left on the board is better than Harris. They could use some depth at the SF position, since their likely to lose Kirilenko.

4. Cleveland: Jonas Valanciunas, 6'11" C. The Cav's need a big man. So at this point its either Valanciunas or Kanter. I flipped a coin and it came up Valanciunas. It could go either way.

5. Toronto: Bismark Biyombo, 6'9" PF. I'm goiing out on a limb here. They have Calderon and Bayless both under contract for a couple of years. They have a center that loves to play away from the basket. So a defensive, rebounding presence at the PF position would be a big help. They could also go SF here.

6. Washington: Kawhi Leonard, 6'8" SF. They have McGee and Blatche, and Wall at the PG. Its doubtful that Josh Howard will be back. I'm not sure exactly what Jianllan is. But they could use a SF that plays defense and runs the floor with Wall. They could easily go with Enes Kanter here as well. But the need for a big man isn't as great.

7. Sacramento: Knight/Kanter. The odd's might be slim, but it could happen. Its also possible that the Kings could trade up with either Minnesota, or with Cleveland for the 4th pick if someone's there that they reall like. Cleveland would only be moving down a few spots and saving themselves some money in the process.

I do think someone will slide. Its more likely to be Knight, simply because most of the teams above us aren't in great need of a point guard. But with Kanter not playing last season, and the rumors about his knee's, it possible he'll slide as well. I guess we'll see..
 
"The Kings have traded their pick with the blah blah blah to opbain their pick, Jordan Hamilton."

The Kings can save some cash over 3 years of they trade down their pick to obtain Jordan Hamilton. I think the guy is top 10 talent and I am pretty sure after workouts he will probably nudge into the top 10 but if he doesn't then I can see the Kings swapping picks with someone between 11-15 to get Hamilton which would basically save the Kings money in the long run.. I wouldn't even care if we got anyone else back because the cap space (although it's minimal) can help in the long run if they paid less for a player they wanted anyway.
 
bajaden said:
I've been taking a look at all the teams drafting ahead of us and I think its possible that a player like Knight could slide down to us. There's a slightly less chance of Kanter sliding. This is all speculation on my part, so pick it apart as much as you like.

1. Cleveland: Derrick Williams, 6'8" SF/PF. This isn't a slam dunk between Irving and Williams. But the Cav's have Baron Davis under contract for three more years and have a decent backup in Sessions. So taking Williams makes the most sense for them in the immediate. They could certainly use a top flight SF.

2. Minnesota: Kyrie Irving, 6'2" PG. This is a tricky one. Minny is probably holding their breath in hopes of drafting Williams. Do they really need another PG with the possiblity of Rubio coming over? And if they draft Irving, what message does that send to Rubio? I could see Minny trading the pick and moving down a few spots. Casspi anyone?

3. Utah: Jan Vesely, 6'11" SF. Utah is loaded with big men and have no need for a point guard. So unless they think someone left on the board is better than Harris. They could use some depth at the SF position, since their likely to lose Kirilenko.

4. Cleveland: Jonas Valanciunas, 6'11" C. The Cav's need a big man. So at this point its either Valanciunas or Kanter. I flipped a coin and it came up Valanciunas. It could go either way.

5. Toronto: Bismark Biyombo, 6'9" PF. I'm goiing out on a limb here. They have Calderon and Bayless both under contract for a couple of years. They have a center that loves to play away from the basket. So a defensive, rebounding presence at the PF position would be a big help. They could also go SF here.

6. Washington: Kawhi Leonard, 6'8" SF. They have McGee and Blatche, and Wall at the PG. Its doubtful that Josh Howard will be back. I'm not sure exactly what Jianllan is. But they could use a SF that plays defense and runs the floor with Wall. They could easily go with Enes Kanter here as well. But the need for a big man isn't as great.

7. Sacramento: Knight/Kanter. The odd's might be slim, but it could happen. Its also possible that the Kings could trade up with either Minnesota, or with Cleveland for the 4th pick if someone's there that they reall like. Cleveland would only be moving down a few spots and saving themselves some money in the process.

I do think someone will slide. Its more likely to be Knight, simply because most of the teams above us aren't in great need of a point guard. But with Kanter not playing last season, and the rumors about his knee's, it possible he'll slide as well. I guess we'll see..
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So my day's going along pretty good, considering the disaster of yesterday. I'm starting to recover from the devastation. And lo' and behold, you are trying to get my hopes up again? Can't take it, Baja. My hope muscle has been pulverized. Can't even remotely go there. I'm now doing everything possible to forget that I read this post...
 
I will be satisfied with grabbing Jordan Hamilton at 7 if Knight doesn't fall to us. I haven't seen Leonard play so I can't speak on his game much but from what I've been reading about him, I like what I hear. Tough, hard nosed SF that plays good defense and has room to improve his jumper because he puts a lot of time in the gym. I still prefer to go the athletic/shooting type of SF in Hamilton, it might be a reach but that's what the NBA draft is about. Reaching and hoping that your guy is there when you pick and hoping he turns out to be a solid pick. We'll have to see how measurements, workouts end up going.
 
This is such a strange draft. Should be an easy question to answer - which player do I want at 7? - simple enough. But there really isn't one player I want out of this draft. Maybe Faried, but that is more I like his attitude and want him to do well. I'm more hopeful that the Kings don't draft a bust @ 7.

#7 draft picks historically have been pretty mediocre. Nene stands out. Steph Curry and Greg Monroe are recent picks that have potential.

Trivia question: the Kings have had four #7 picks since the draft lottery, can you name them?
 
bajaden said:
Put me in the camp with those that aren't sold on Biyombo. I have no idea what his offensive skills are, other than dunking the ball. I have no idea what his basketball IQ is. I used Saer Sene as an example of a player that did the exact same thing in the exact same game, and ended up out of the NBA. That along with the high failure rate of international players in the NBA, and I'm going to take a wait and see attitude.
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He looked pretty good in the DX highlight tape. The main difference between Biyombo and Sene is that Biyombo has played a half season in the Spanish ACB league and been an impact rebounder/Shotblocker. Not to mention a decent O player. Sene played in a low-level Belgian league.

Ibaka played in the ACB league too. Biyombo had a little better stats at a younger age.

This is a bit of a non-sequitur, but isn't Kanter the biggest wild card of them all? He's basically had a great Nike game, a great U18 tourney and that's it. I think he also played some games at a So-Cal high school in 09-10, but he's hardly played competitively in two years. So he is really just a top 10 pick based off the Nike game more than anything.
 
Kingster said:
So my day's going along pretty good, considering the disaster of yesterday. I'm starting to recover from the devastation. And lo' and behold, you are trying to get my hopes up again? Can't take it, Baja. My hope muscle has been pulverized. Can't even remotely go there. I'm now doing everything possible to forget that I read this post...
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Glad to have been of service...
 
hammystyle said:
This is a bit of a non-sequitur, but isn't Kanter the biggest wild card of them all? He's basically had a great Nike game, a great U18 tourney and that's it. I think he also played some games at a So-Cal high school in 09-10, but he's hardly played competitively in two years. So he is really just a top 10 pick based off the Nike game more than anything.
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Well he did play on Turkeys 17 and under national junior team, if thats what your referring to, leading them to a bronze medal. He averaged 18.6 PPG and 16.4 RPG, and was voted the MVP of the championships. But your right in that he's been idle for that last year and a half. Not by choice of course.
 
Hallama said:
This is such a strange draft. Should be an easy question to answer - which player do I want at 7? - simple enough. But there really isn't one player I want out of this draft. Maybe Faried, but that is more I like his attitude and want him to do well. I'm more hopeful that the Kings don't draft a bust @ 7.

#7 draft picks historically have been pretty mediocre. Nene stands out. Steph Curry and Greg Monroe are recent picks that have potential.

Trivia question: the Kings have had four #7 picks since the draft lottery, can you name them?
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Hurley, Williams, Simmons, and uhhhh...... Shoot... Owens was 3rd or 5th.... Kleine?
 
SacKings7 said:
Now that we're at #7, I'm with Gary. If we're actually going to use the pick then take a chance on Jordan Hamilton
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I am all for drafting for another team though and then trading picks after the fact in order to save money on rookie salary.. It's only a few hundred thousand, but every bit counts.
 
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