Landry likely to be traded/Casspi being talked about ( Marc Stein )

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

http://espn.go.com/blog/TrueHoop/post/_/id/23514/trade-talk-latest-on-kings-casspi-landry

Nothing groundbreaking here, but news is news. I hope Landry is dealt for something, so I say 'whatever' to that portion of the article.

The Casspi part is interesting. I have no problem dealing him so long as its not just a straight salary dump (with Garcia) like Stein suggests. Bulls and Knicks apparently interested.

 

[sactownfan]

I dont understand why WE cant develop casspi into a better player.... this is a rebuilding team we should be only focused on player development.... (thanks westphal for sucking so bad at this)

Casspi has a pretty sold all around game.... he has the ability to play scrappy defense and hes our best 3pt threat on a team that really needs 3pt shooting....

sure hes really streaky... but really who isn't on this team?

he has way more up side than Greene at this point.... i wouldn't want to trade casspi

 

[sactownfan]

Also Laundry need to play more mins over everyone that isn't named Cousins so Landry can be showcased....

Carl needs to be moved for sure and while were at it we could try and move Dalembert if a team wants to blow it up and trade some talent for cap space..

cause lets be honest.... we aren't gonna be signing any stars.... we need to trade cap space

 

[bajaden]

Also Laundry need to play more mins over everyone that isn't named Cousins so Landry can be showcased....

Carl needs to be moved for sure and while were at it we could try and move Dalembert if a team wants to blow it up and trade some talent for cap space..

cause lets be honest.... we aren't gonna be signing any stars.... we need to trade cap space

I agree about Landry. Its fairly obvious he's not going to resign with us, so we should try to get what we can for him. I disagree about the cap space. You dont' blow your money before black friday even gets here. At this point there's nothing you can do right now that you can't do after the season ends. But there may be a lot more cookies in the jar after the season, so to not wait is just plain silly. Were going nowhere this year. So I don't see what the rush is to spend the money.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Yeah, there's not a lot of new here. Perhaps solid info that Chicago would be interested in Casspi, but outside of that...

Yes, Landry is a good candidate to be traded. Yes, the Kings aren't going to give up Casspi cheaply.

Anyway, I don't really see the Bulls being able to put together a package for Casspi. They've got two levels of players: players that are way too good to send off for Casspi (Rose, Noah, Boozer, Deng, probably Taj Gibson) and players we doubtfully would have any interest in (everybody else). I mean, Ronnie Brewer seems to be the best we could reasonably do, and I'll stick with Casspi, thanks.

 

[kingsboi]

We already know that Carl isn't going to come back and it's better to get something for him so that's good news to hear. As for Casspi, I really wouldn't mind trading him if it was for the right deal. Plus by the looks of it, the Kings are most likely going to draft a PG or SF in this years draft so it makes Casspi a little expendable. I sure hope something can get done here, we need some new faces on this team. Maybe it will make the team funner to watch again, you would hope so.

 

[gunks]

I like Landry for a late first. Seems like the best we can get for him, unless there's a legit guard or SF out there (Landry back to Houstin for Battier? hah).

As far as trading Casspi....Ehh, only if its really worth it. I'd rather see Greene go personally. I think if we go SF this draft (or FA) then we're definately shipping one of the two off. No reason to do so too early. Casspi has 17/6/2stls 1 blk potential if he figures it out. Greene has 20/3/2stls 1 blk potential but I dont think he'll ever figure it out.

 

[kennadog]

Yeah, there's not a lot of new here. Perhaps solid info that Chicago would be interested in Casspi, but outside of that...

Yes, Landry is a good candidate to be traded. Yes, the Kings aren't going to give up Casspi cheaply.

Anyway, I don't really see the Bulls being able to put together a package for Casspi. They've got two levels of players: players that are way too good to send off for Casspi (Rose, Noah, Boozer, Deng, probably Taj Gibson) and players we doubtfully would have any interest in (everybody else). I mean, Ronnie Brewer seems to be the best we could reasonably do, and I'll stick with Casspi, thanks.

Gotta go with this. I don't really want to trade Casspi, or at least probably not for what would be offered. Personally, I think Casspi has a bright future. I love Donte, but I think Casspi will be the all-around better player. Casspi also has such fire and determination. No way we trade Cousins at this point

 

[The Basketball Kings]

Only deal I'd take is Casspi for Deng. Otherwise that article can **** off.

 

[Showtime]

Orlando needs bigs. They were in the market even prior to Bass getting hurt. Landry wants out, so I think possibly packaging him with Sammy D to Orlando with something involving Anderson and JJ or J-Rich might be possible.

 

[Section 101]

Orlando needs bigs. They were in the market even prior to Bass getting hurt. Landry wants out, so I think possibly packaging him with Sammy D to Orlando with something involving Anderson and JJ or J-Rich might be possible.

Only contract they Kings would take back is Howard. They aren't increasing the payroll for anything but a franchise player at this point.

 

[Showtime]

Only contract they Kings would take back is Howard. They aren't increasing the payroll for anything but a franchise player at this point.

They wouldn't be increasing payroll. J-Rich is a 14 mil expiring deal, and Anderson will only make a little over 2 mil a year for two more years.

 

[jon e]

I dont understand why WE cant develop casspi into a better player.... this is a rebuilding team we should be only focused on player development.... (thanks westphal for sucking so bad at this)

Casspi has a pretty sold all around game.... he has the ability to play scrappy defense and hes our best 3pt threat on a team that really needs 3pt shooting....

sure hes really streaky... but really who isn't on this team?

he has way more up side than Greene at this point.... i wouldn't want to trade casspi

i agree with this point totally

 

[Uncia03]

I think it's a given that Landry will be moved before the trade deadline. I have been wondering whether or not Petrie's comments about remaining salary-neutral is truly the organizational stance, or something to increase bargaining position as we get closer to the trade deadline. For instance, if they wanted to bring in a very good veteran player (Gerald Wallace or Andre Iguldala), they might be best served to convey the message that they aren't that interested in taking on salary to help with negotiations down the line. Of course with the Maloof's struggles, it's probably more realistic that they want to keep the payroll as low as possible.

There are so many things which are up in the air on our roster, and what sort of moves that could be made will depend on the organization's feelings.
1.) What sort of draft position are they eyeing for the end of the year? (Top 5?)
2.) Is Tyreke a PG? If so, then you perhaps pass on Irving/Walker/Knight.
3.) Do they project either Casspi or Greene to be the SF of the future? (With Garcia now starting I think that is becoming less likely)
4.) Do you fill the SF spot with a big veteran (Gerald Wallace) or the draft? (Jones, Barnes, ect.)
5.) Do they project Thompson as a solid starter for this team in the future? (If not, again you look at the draft)

At this point in time, I don't really expect nor want us to spend much money in free-agency. I just don't think that we'll get the right talent at the right price.
Our best use of the cap-space would probably be in a trade where we absorb the salary of a veteran player. That along-side a high impact draft pick should hopefully put us in position to maybe think 8th seed next year. But it is all such guess-work until we have an idea of how the organization currently views our young batch of players.

 

[CruzDude]

Sactownfan has it right. Casspi (and Garcia) are our two best SF all around and are key to Kings getting to next level.

At the 4, JT is the future but Landry has really good down low skills and plays bigger than his size. If he gets 8 & 8 or 10 & 10 most nights and can negate the other 4's that is a good piece to have and keep. Jackson is an unknown but comes from great pedigre (Kansas). Greene doesn't fit the 4 role at all and is way too inconsistent.

My concern I'd that Dalembert hasn't filled in as well as hoped. Off the bench 5-7 min a half spelling DMC maybe is his best service. If DMC is a young Vlade then we need a young Brad Miller as backup next year.

Bottom line: Casspi is our diamond in the rough and is a keeper no matter what. Garcia too for his bench and floor leadership until a guard comes along to fill that roll. JT is our 4 of the future and can fill in at the 5 when necessary.

 

[Bricklayer]

Omri's peak could be as something like a 15-17ppg starter, but he doesn't have to ever reach that level. If somebody was going to offer us somebody who we KNOW is at that level, who has already proven it (and I should note isn't just putting up those numbers becuase he plays in a wacky ball system), then its not ridiculous to listen. But its kind of a four part inquiry:
a) First of all most of those guys come attached to big contracts, so chances are the other team is going to be looking to dump a contract on us. Has to be worth it.
b) Secondly is age. We certainly aren't in the market for 30 year olds. Younger vets = a questionmark, and some of that question comes in whether we are basically going to start trying to gear up to win next year, which is possible. If Cousins continues to develop. If we get the real Reke back. Then you figure whether it be by trade or free agency we are going to try to add some strong vets at the other three problem positions.
c) Thirdly is fit and window, and by window I mean what's the time period you want this trade to work for? In the short term there is room for a third major gun while Reke and Cousins are developing. But longterm if both guys are eventually 20+ ppg scorers, that third gun is probably going to top out at about 15ppg. On the other hand what we are always going to need is defenders (Donte) scrappers (Omri) and 3pt shooters (Omri). So basically I want a player comig in to have at least 2 of those traits. A solid 17ppg midrange jumpshooter like Deng for instance isn't a good fit long term, and isn't impact now.
d) remains my standard thought on the Donte/Omri thing, that if you ARE going to trade for a major SF, then Donte is the guy you keep, because he fits better as a versatile roleplayer, and a willing one, while Omri just gets squished and grumpy and wasted. You don't need/want Omri around as a 14min/gm spot guy off the bench. With him you either hang on for several years and wait for him to become a starter, or if you are bringing in a long term starter ahead of him, he's probably part of the package. Realistically no team involved in one of these rebuilds has ever successfully kept all its youth. Takes too long. Sooner or later you roll the dice, bring in the support vets, and try to make the playoffs.

I don't know though. We aren't making the playoffs this season, so if we deal a young piece like Omri away this year it damn well better be for a guy we consider the long term solution at SG/SF/PF.

 

[Showtime]

At the 4, JT is the future

lolwut? JT is a bench player who can barely put together two good performances consecutively. He's not the future of the 4. If anything, he's the clear indication of why the kings need a 4. They can't keep trying to fill the position by circulating inconsistent reserves in and out of the starting spot.

Bottom line: Casspi is our diamond in the rough and is a keeper no matter what. Garcia too for his bench and floor leadership until a guard comes along to fill that roll. JT is our 4 of the future and can fill in at the 5 when necessary.

Garcia is definitely movable. His intangibles don't have the impact, IMO, to justify a "hands-off" approach, especially with his deal. If the right offer comes along, move him. JT too. We know by now what we will get from both guys.

 

[Asaf]

lolwut? JT is a bench player who can barely put together two good performances consecutively. He's not the future of the 4. If anything, he's the clear indication of why the kings need a 4. They can't keep trying to fill the position by circulating inconsistent reserves in and out of the starting spot.

I disagree. JT has already shown a lot of growth this season. He is staying out of foul trouble, is a good defender and rebounder, has a good midrange jumpshot, and is good at picking up garbage points. Considering that he made the transition from guard to PF in college, it's not surprising that he is just now starting to get it, and I would say it's a good bet that within a season or 2 he becomes a solid starter at PF. Not an all-star, but like others have said here, you can't have 5 all-stars on a team. You need good role-players and that's what JT will give you - a solid 15-9 starting PF who can defend. We really don't need more than that at this position, especially when we have Cousins and hopefully Whiteside gets it together at some point and joins the rotation.

 

[Showtime]

He is staying out of foul trouble,

Because he's coming off the bench and playing limited minutes. This started last season when he was moved from the starting spot to coming off the bench. He had less pressure, so he wasn't leading the league in fouls, getting frustrated, and worrying about staying in the game. He can come in, produce, and focus on the game instead of letting his head get in the way. That's exactly why he's a bench player: he hasn't proven to be capable of handling the starting job over a full season. He's played the best basketball off the bench.

is a good defender and rebounder,

So are plenty of bench players. This isn't the mark of why a big is a starter vs why a big is a reserve.

has a good midrange jumpshot,

Doesn't matter much if he doesn't taken them consistently. We only see that version of JT every once in a while, when he happens to have the confidence to fire that 17 footer.

and is good at picking up garbage points.

Only problem is, he can't finish around the rim.

Considering that he made the transition from guard to PF in college, it's not surprising that he is just now starting to get it, and I would say it's a good bet that within a season or 2 he becomes a solid starter at PF. Not an all-star, but like others have said here, you can't have 5 all-stars on a team. You need good role-players and that's what JT will give you - a solid 15-9 starting PF who can defend. We really don't need more than that at this position, especially when we have Cousins and hopefully Whiteside gets it together at some point and joins the rotation.

He's already proven he can't handle the starting job. Now, whether that changes in two more years remains to be seen, but there's no indication to say with any certainty. He hasn't improved his finishing ability around the rim, and that hurts for somebody who seems to get his hands on a lot of rebounds. What good is that offensive board if he can't hit a point-blank putback? I don't see him becoming a productive starter until he works out his mental problems and foul issues.

 

[Sac.1989]

Dont really see why we do this considering what were getting back in return doesnt do much for us long term. Trading Casspi would be a mistake and anything involving ridding Cisco is just not on unless its for superstar talent. The man is keeping us from anarchy now with his leadership, we dont need more capspace with no one to spend it on

 

[The Basketball Kings]

Dont really see why we do this considering what were getting back in return doesnt do much for us long term. Trading Casspi would be a mistake and anything involving ridding Cisco is just not on unless its for superstar talent. The man is keeping us from anarchy now with his leadership, we dont need more capspace with no one to spend it on

There's some jackass on the ESPN article that seems to think we'd do anything to trade away Cisco and Casspi. It's blatantly obvious nobody else in the league knows that those two are key pieces to this team going forward.

 

[Bricklayer]

There's some jackass on the ESPN article that seems to think we'd do anything to trade away Cisco and Casspi. It's blatantly obvious nobody else in the league knows that those two are key pieces to this team going forward.

Well maybe key pieces maybe not, but certainly are going to need shooters at those spots, and even more shooters, not less.

As an aside a Chicago blog this morning claiming an insider source said the Bulls inquiries have just been general and that just about every team in the league calls the bad teams about their competent players. He also said that Casspi might not be a good fit because he can't defend and the system requires it. And he finished off by saying the Bulls weren't going to give up any of their "swingman versatility" or big men to make it happen. Which basically leaves Derrick Rose. I am onboard with that trade.

 

[Asaf]

Well maybe key pieces maybe not, but certainly are going to need shooters at those spots, and even more shooters, not less.

As an aside a Chicago blog this morning claiming an insider source said the Bulls inquiries have just been general and that just about every team in the league calls the bad teams about their competent players. He also said that Casspi might not be a good fit because he can't defend and the system requires it. And he finished off by saying the Bulls weren't going to give up any of their "swingman versatility" or big men to make it happen. Which basically leaves Derrick Rose. I am onboard with that trade.

Derrick Rose and Tyreke Evans. According to the Bricklayer Theory of Backcourt Pairings, this could never work in a million years..

 

[Bricklayer]

Derrick Rose and Tyreke Evans. According to the Bricklayer Theory of Backcourt Pairings, this could never work in a million years..

Actually I doubt it would, but somehow I suspect you still make the trade and figure it out later.

 

[The Basketball Kings]

Actually I doubt it would, but somehow I suspect you still make the trade and figure it out later.

No way Chicago trades their franchise player. Rose is "the man" over there.

 

[Bricklayer]

No way Chicago trades their franchise player. Rose is "the man" over there.

Ya think?

 

[Tetsujin]

No way Chicago trades their franchise player. Rose is "the man" over there.

Really? Never heard of him.

 

[Sac.1989]

Im sure if we proposed tyreke, casspi and our 1st round pick this year they would at least consider it. MAybe

 

[Asaf]

Im sure if we proposed tyreke, casspi and our 1st round pick this year they would at least consider it. MAybe

They would consider it for about 2 seconds before they said:

and hung up the phone...

 

[SacTownGrantFan]

Sactownfan has it right. Casspi (and Garcia) are our two best SF all around and are key to Kings getting to next level.

At the 4, JT is the future but Landry has really good down low skills and plays bigger than his size. If he gets 8 & 8 or 10 & 10 most nights and can negate the other 4's that is a good piece to have and keep. Jackson is an unknown but comes from great pedigre (Kansas). Greene doesn't fit the 4 role at all and is way too inconsistent.

My concern I'd that Dalembert hasn't filled in as well as hoped. Off the bench 5-7 min a half spelling DMC maybe is his best service. If DMC is a young Vlade then we need a young Brad Miller as backup next year.

Bottom line: Casspi is our diamond in the rough and is a keeper no matter what. Garcia too for his bench and floor leadership until a guard comes along to fill that roll. JT is our 4 of the future and can fill in at the 5 when necessary.

Wrong, imo. He has been in the league too long to be this frustrating and inefficient. And his lack of touch around the rim, plus defensive liabilities are huge problems that may never be resolved. I wouldn't be too shocked if we traded Landry/Thompson and grabbed a PF with our 1st rounder in the next draft. That position is not an area of strength for us at the moment. But I definately agree that we need to hang on to Casspi.