A least there is progress this year, slowly but progress

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Lockehead said:
How do you see the offense run through Reke? He having the ball and doing the slashing and kickouts drop offs type of game, or something else?
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It's no secret that he's a ball dominant guard, and yeah, when he's healthy, he will drive and dish. But:

1. He hasn't been healthy, so he seems to be settling for jumpers more often than not.
2. Nobody on the team seems to be capable of hitting an outside shot, which allows teams to leave players wide open and clog the lane. If nobody is hitting the outside shot, it's even tougher to pass out of a drive.

Personally, I think Cousins and Evans getting to know each other better will help, but ultimately Omri (hell, anyone) needs to hit the three when it's there to really open things up again.
 
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Asaf

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Spike said:
It's no secret that he's a ball dominant guard, and yeah, when he's healthy, he will drive and dish. But:

1. He hasn't been healthy, so he seems to be settling for jumpers more often than not.
2. Nobody on the team seems to be capable of hitting an outside shot, which allows teams to leave players wide open and clog the lane. If nobody is hitting the outside shot, it's even tougher to pass out of a drive.

Personally, I think Cousins and Evans getting to know each other better will help, but ultimately Omri (hell, anyone) needs to hit the three when it's there to really open things up again.
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Omri is just above 40% in 3-pt shooting this season. He is not the reason for Tyreke's offensive woes.
 
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Personally, i cant see Cousins fitting into that type of offense. Weve seen what Cousins can do, and if you put him in "Reke's offense", hes probably going to become a garbage man with his best talents going unused.
 
Kingster

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Progress. Sometimes you can see it right before your eyes; it's obvious. But other times it's latent, hidden below the surface, and then it comes out of nowhere. My sense with this team, especially Evans, is that he has to make a decision: Is it more important to go my way or the team's way? It just seems like he continues to waffle on that point. He's just not willing to sacrifice his game for the team, at least not yet. How many games is he willing to lose before he decides the team is more important?
 
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Kingster said:
Progress. Sometimes you can see it right before your eyes; it's obvious. But other times it's latent, hidden below the surface, and then it comes out of nowhere. My sense with this team, especially Evans, is that he has to make a decision: Is it more important to go my way or the team's way? It just seems like he continues to waffle on that point. He's just not willing to sacrifice his game for the team, at least not yet. How many games is he willing to lose before he decides the team is more important?
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I think the main problem with Evans is that he is misinterpreting the meaning of the word "aggresive". Just like many other ball-dominant players, he has heard the same mantra from his mentors over and over that "you have to constantly be aggresive". The problem is that he interprets that as "always look for ways to score, even when your shot doesn't seem to be there", but that's an extremely wrong interpretation. Being aggressive includes looking to score, but it also has to include moving the ball fast, making an unexpected pass, catching the other team off guard. Evan's is extremely non-aggressive in that regard. He always walks up the ball and allows the other team's defense to settle. He never passes on a break, which is making it easier and easier for teams to stop him because they don't have to guard the pass. In general, his game is very predictable and constantly trying to force your way through 4 defenders is not aggressive, it's just stupid. Occasionally it will work and he will get the highlight layup and the "TYRRRRIFIC" from JR, but most of the time, especially this season, it just ends with a blocked shot, turnover, or bailout pass to a camping wing guy who is left with no option other than to jack up a long ball with time running out on the clock.
 
bajaden

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If this team was bad all the time, I'd look to the coach as a possible problem. But this team isn't bad all the time. They generally play about 30 to 40 minutes of good basketball per game where guys look in sync, are running plays, etc. It's when the pressure rises and it's time to close out a game that they fail. That says one of two things to me, either they're just mentally weak and crack under pressure, or they just don't have enough talent to compete in crunch time when other teams turn things up a notch.

Neither of those would be problem that a coach can do anything about. If they’re just cracking under pressure because they’re mentally weak as a group, there isn’t a whole lot you can do. You can’t teach/coach mental toughness. It’s either something you have or you don’t.

If it’s not having enough talent to complete once games intensify, that isn’t a coaching problem either. Add some talent, preferably experienced talent, and all of a sudden Westphal will look a whole lot better.

Talk about developing players all you want, there’s only so much you can do with a team full of mediocre vets and young guys who outside of Evans and Cousins, are pretty unspectacular.
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The reason the Kings fold under pressure and the Lakers don't is because all the Lakers players are experienced, and more than that, the majority of them have played together for quite a while. They also have a coach thats very disciplined. When you have a team like the Lakers, or any good team thats been together for a while, they all know what each teammate is going to do. They've done it a thousand times before. They don't even have to think about it. They just do it.

With the Kings its not about mental toughness or talent. Its about experience first, and familiarity with their teammates on the floor second. They haven't been through it a thousand times, and they still aren't to a place where they just need eye contact. In some cases they may not trust one another, because of lack of playing time together. They're going to make mistakes, and thats the only way they can learn.

I think a large part of the problem is Westphal's constant tinkering with the starting rotation. His love affair with Landry, almost to the point of star treatment. His sometimes crazy rotations. His leaving players that played well in the first half on the bench in the second half almost as though he forgotten about them. As a result, there's less constistancy right now than there should be. Players are sometimes confused on the floor while running simple plays.

He should have had a set starting lineup from the start of the season, and stuck with it barring injuries. The lineup he's going with right now is the one I would have started the season with. It wasn't rocket science. These are the players that had played the most together. They were the most likely to have chemistry on the floor.

I didn't expect him to take us to the playoffs. I hoped for 30 to 35 wins. I expected the team to play better than it did the year before. I expected Greene and Casspi to show significant improvement. I'm willing to let Evans pass because of the injury. I expected Cousins to be better than Hawes, and he is. I truely believe that if Westphal would just teach, and quite tinkering with the lineups and the rotations, the team would improve. But it seems to be his curse. He just can't keep his fingers out of whatever plan he has.

If you think a player has a hot hand and you want to keep him in the game, like Cisco last night, thats fine with me. But when he doesn't even take a shot in the 4th quarter, what is the poiint of his being on the floor, especially when your starting to get killed because of bad defense. I'm sorry, I just don't get that. If Beno or Evans won't pass him the ball, and Evans was on the bench for most of the quarter, then put someone in the game that will. Your the head coach for gods sake. Act like it.
 
Bricklayer

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Lockehead said:
Personally, i cant see Cousins fitting into that type of offense. Weve seen what Cousins can do, and if you put him in "Reke's offense", hes probably going to become a garbage man with his best talents going unused.
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Its really not much different a puzzle than the Shaq and Kobe or Shaq and Wade relationships, with the added bonus of Cousins being able to play out high at times, which Shaq could never do, thus opening lanes in the middle. A clever offensive coach, ahem, could do wonders with individual talents like those.

Should be noted this is basically the first time Reke has ever played with a big man of Cousins' caliber, either in the pros or college, or almost surely high school. Don't know about AAU, but then again that's more showing off than basketball. So it shouldn't come as any surprise that figuring out the balance is going to take some time.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Its really not much different a puzzle than the Shaq and Kobe or Shaq and Wade relationships, with the added bonus of Cousins being able to play out high at times, which Shaq could never do, thus opening lanes in the middle. A clever offensive coach, ahem, could do wonders with individual talents like those.

Should be noted this is basically the first time Reke has ever played with a big man of Cousins' caliber, either in the pros or college, or almost surely high school. Don't know about AAU, but then again that's more showing off than basketball. So it shouldn't come as any surprise that figuring out the balance is going to take some time.
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As it stands its a pretty big puzzle to figure out. They have different styles of playing. Cousins is more suited towards working in the half court set, with alot of passing, team movement, and working in the post. Reke's game is drive and kick / drop offs. Unless one or the other make some drastic changes to their approach to the game, its going to be hard to figure out how to weave those two together into a system. If we're going to build around Reke's game, Cousins is going to have difficulty fully expressing his potential.
 
Kingster

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Asaf said:
I think the main problem with Evans is that he is misinterpreting the meaning of the word "aggresive". Just like many other ball-dominant players, he has heard the same mantra from his mentors over and over that "you have to constantly be aggresive". The problem is that he interprets that as "always look for ways to score, even when your shot doesn't seem to be there", but that's an extremely wrong interpretation. Being aggressive includes looking to score, but it also has to include moving the ball fast, making an unexpected pass, catching the other team off guard. Evan's is extremely non-aggressive in that regard. He always walks up the ball and allows the other team's defense to settle. He never passes on a break, which is making it easier and easier for teams to stop him because they don't have to guard the pass. In general, his game is very predictable and constantly trying to force your way through 4 defenders is not aggressive, it's just stupid. Occasionally it will work and he will get the highlight layup and the "TYRRRRIFIC" from JR, but most of the time, especially this season, it just ends with a blocked shot, turnover, or bailout pass to a camping wing guy who is left with no option other than to jack up a long ball with time running out on the clock.
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I think you're definitely on to something with that interpretation. Also, following your interpretation, I'm wondering if he's following that advice of his "mentors" at the expense of Westphal. I just don't see how it's possible that Tyreke could throw up three point shots with a hand in his face in the final minutes because Westphal wants it. That's the last thing Westphal wants.
 
Kingster

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bajaden said:
The reason the Kings fold under pressure and the Lakers don't is because all the Lakers players are experienced, and more than that, the majority of them have played together for quite a while. They also have a coach thats very disciplined. When you have a team like the Lakers, or any good team thats been together for a while, they all know what each teammate is going to do. They've done it a thousand times before. They don't even have to think about it. They just do it.

With the Kings its not about mental toughness or talent. Its about experience first, and familiarity with their teammates on the floor second. They haven't been through it a thousand times, and they still aren't to a place where they just need eye contact. In some cases they may not trust one another, because of lack of playing time together. They're going to make mistakes, and thats the only way they can learn.

I think a large part of the problem is Westphal's constant tinkering with the starting rotation. His love affair with Landry, almost to the point of star treatment. His sometimes crazy rotations. His leaving players that played well in the first half on the bench in the second half almost as though he forgotten about them. As a result, there's less constistancy right now than there should be. Players are sometimes confused on the floor while running simple plays.

He should have had a set starting lineup from the start of the season, and stuck with it barring injuries. The lineup he's going with right now is the one I would have started the season with. It wasn't rocket science. These are the players that had played the most together. They were the most likely to have chemistry on the floor.

I didn't expect him to take us to the playoffs. I hoped for 30 to 35 wins. I expected the team to play better than it did the year before. I expected Greene and Casspi to show significant improvement. I'm willing to let Evans pass because of the injury. I expected Cousins to be better than Hawes, and he is. I truely believe that if Westphal would just teach, and quite tinkering with the lineups and the rotations, the team would improve. But it seems to be his curse. He just can't keep his fingers out of whatever plan he has.

If you think a player has a hot hand and you want to keep him in the game, like Cisco last night, thats fine with me. But when he doesn't even take a shot in the 4th quarter, what is the poiint of his being on the floor, especially when your starting to get killed because of bad defense. I'm sorry, I just don't get that. If Beno or Evans won't pass him the ball, and Evans was on the bench for most of the quarter, then put someone in the game that will. Your the head coach for gods sake. Act like it.
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I think the tinkering with the starting lineup has been over for a while now. The only reason Thompson didn't start was because of injury. That excuse is gone.

Westphal is going to ride Tyreke until he breaks him. Sitting on the bench isn't going to do it.
 
Kingster

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Lockehead said:
As it stands its a pretty big puzzle to figure out. They have different styles of playing. Cousins is more suited towards working in the half court set, with alot of passing, team movement, and working in the post. Reke's game is drive and kick / drop offs. Unless one or the other make some drastic changes to their approach to the game, its going to be hard to figure out how to weave those two together into a system. If we're going to build around Reke's game, Cousins is going to have difficulty fully expressing his potential.
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The only drastic change Tyreke has to make is to learn to hit a shot off a pick and roll. Time will tell whether that happens or not.
 
Bricklayer

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Lockehead said:
As it stands its a pretty big puzzle to figure out. They have different styles of playing. Cousins is more suited towards working in the half court set, with alot of passing, team movement, and working in the post. Reke's game is drive and kick / drop offs. Unless one or the other make some drastic changes to their approach to the game, its going to be hard to figure out how to weave those two together into a system. If we're going to build around Reke's game, Cousins is going to have difficulty fully expressing his potential.
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The only difference i sthat they both need the ball int heir hands, for differing purposes. They are both halfcourt players, both ot the basket players, one day some coach is going to figure out hey, that would make a hell of a pcik and roll and its going to be dangerous.
 
gunks

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A Reke/Cuz pick and roll would be friggin awesome and pretty much unstoppable. If they are going to gain any chemistry I think its going to be through running that play to death. I imagine it would get us a ton of wins too if they figure it out (this is also assuming they become the players we think they can be).


As far as progress, I've noticed it too. We've gone from looking completely lost out there, to playing good ball in stretches, to playing good ball through 3 quarters. Late game meltdowns are to be expected with young teams. No real progress in the W/L column. To the casual fan we're still mired in suckness. But we've gone from abysmal to terrible. And I have utmost confidence in this squad to go from terrible to bad! Babysteps! :p

We might not be getting wins, but the play of late has even tempered my Westphal hate a bit. Its one thing to fire a coach when players are regressing, but with the bits of improvement we're seeing, might as well stick with him. I still want him gone, he isnt our coach going foward, but my desire to have him axed immeadiately has dwindled. Lets get us a better coach in the offseason, give Westphal a chance to redeem himself in the last 3/4s of the season.
 
CruzDude

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Kings Fan Gerard said:
Progress should not be used to describe anything that the Kings have done this year. There is no progress. We have regressed in every way possible.
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Guess you haven't been watching the Kings games I have. Tyreke wasn't defended much last year. This year he not only is defended on every play but they basically close him down and close down the middle for everyone. Then JT and Landry had to make major adjustments as did coach but with inexperienced players. Add Tyreke's bad foot preventing anything more than about 60% performance and the confusion of rotations by the coach until a week ago. All other teams defend the Kings very differently than last year. We may have had 15 wins in the first third but then only go 10 more wins in the year. That was regression.

My progress is from 4 quarter blowouts, to playing well in 1st quarter then progress to playing well in 1st and 2nd quarter. It is all learning as individuals then learning in a team environment. This later item has been the real bugga bu. Perhaps better labeled focus or attitude or both. Seems the Kings play at the same level for all 4 quarters when the other teams turn it up a notch in the 3rd then one more notch in the 4th and the Kings are at the same effort level as in the 2nd.
 
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gunks said:
As far as progress, I've noticed it too. We've gone from looking completely lost out there, to playing good ball in stretches, to playing good ball through 3 quarters. Late game meltdowns are to be expected with young teams. No real progress in the W/L column. To the casual fan we're still mired in suckness. But we've gone from abysmal to terrible. And I have utmost confidence in this squad to go from terrible to bad! Babysteps! :p
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Good! This post gets back to the OP's point. The team is progressing. It might even get a little better than bad but it going in the right direction.
 
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So let me get this straight.

Kings fans should stop whining and look at the "progress" we're making because we're staying close until the beginning of the 4th quarter, when we suddenly forget our offense and lose the game over and over?

Heck, if that's progress, then I'd sure like to have you vote for me if I'm a failing politician in Washington right now ;)

I don't know how anyone can look over our record since 2010 started (16 total wins!) and think of "progress". We went from 17 wins to 25 wins last season, THAT'S progress. Now, it looks like we might struggle to even get to 15, and if it wasn't for our 3-1 start, I'm not sure if we would reach 12 wins. We're THAT bad!

Tell ya what OP, how about you give me $25,000, then I'll give you $1 back and every now and then, I'll give you a quarter. You might not paid back for years, but at least it's progress, right? :cool:
 
bajaden

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Kingster said:
I think the tinkering with the starting lineup has been over for a while now. The only reason Thompson didn't start was because of injury. That excuse is gone.

Westphal is going to ride Tyreke until he breaks him. Sitting on the bench isn't going to do it.
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Its been over for about 5 or 6 games. Lets hope he sticks with the lineup, and doesn't fall in love with Jackson all over again while Thompson is injured. Sorry, I just don't trust him. As for Tyreke, I don't think you have toi bench him persay, but I do think it might be a good idea to jerk him out and talk to him when he starts to do something thats not part of the plan. And I'm not just talking about one mistake or on incident. But when it starts to become a trend during the game. Sit him down and talk to him.
 
Bricklayer

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theclash4u5 said:
So let me get this straight.

Kings fans should stop whining and look at the "progress" we're making because we're staying close until the beginning of the 4th quarter, when we suddenly forget our offense and lose the game over and over?

Heck, if that's progress, then I'd sure like to have you vote for me if I'm a failing politician in Washington right now ;)

I don't know how anyone can look over our record since 2010 started (16 total wins!) and think of "progress". We went from 17 wins to 25 wins last season, THAT'S progress. Now, it looks like we might struggle to even get to 15, and if it wasn't for our 3-1 start, I'm not sure if we would reach 12 wins. We're THAT bad!

Tell ya what OP, how about you give me $25,000, then I'll give you $1 back and every now and then, I'll give you a quarter. You might not paid back for years, but at least it's progress, right? :cool:
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That's silly. Why don't we just compare back to the 61 win team while we're at it, then there can never be progress.

We are where we are. This is the season. Not last, not the season before. This one. For whatever reason we took a big step back at the start of this season. But its getting better. We're getting closer, and Cousins is beginning to show that he is the real thing. Almost 1/3 of the way into the new season is a bit late to be complaining about last year. Our window of comparison now is this year, and we have seen enough to be able to make those comparisons. And we seem to be stabilizing and getting competitive. That's progress from where we were a month ago. And if a month from now we begin to break through and win a few of these that will be progress from where we are today. Last year is last year. This year, this team, is getting better. It takes some fun out of the "we are the worst team of all time!!! Aaaiyyeeee!!! hysterics, but its still true. Will we win more than last year? Who knows. Maybe not. But if we had just started the season playing like we are playing now our chances would have been alot better.
 
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That's silly. Why don't we just compare back to the 61 win team while we're at it, then there can never be progress.

We are where we are. This is the season. Not last, not the season before. This one. For whatever reason we took a big step back at the start of this season. But its getting better. We're getting closer, and cousins is beginning to show that he is the real thing. Almost 1/3 of the way into the new season is a bit late to be complaining about last year. Our window of comparison now is this year, and we have seen enough to be able to make those comparisons. And we seem to be stabilizing and getting competitive. That's progress from where we were a month ago. And if a month from now we begin to break through and win a few of these that will be progress from where we are today. Last year is last year. This year, this team, is getting better. It takes some fun out of the "we are the worst team of all time!!! Aaaiyyeeee!!! Hysterics, but its still true. Will we win more than last year? Who knows. Maybe not. But if we had just started the season playing like we are playing now our chances would have been alot better.
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no!!!!!!! Not logic!!!!!!!!
 
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no!!!!!!! Not logic!!!!!!!!
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Brick is right. We are progressing. No, not from last year's record but but in the last 12 to 15 games where we are one and 11 or 14. This year we are, starting out a worse team than last year. We lost Udoka, Hawes and Nocioni (all of whom this site was happy to get rid of) and we gained Cousins, Jeter, Jackson, and ? We are paying the price for change and losing the maturity and experience. Who do we think are our best players? Beno, Tyreke, Cousins. Tyreke is so young he is only older than Cousins, who would now be a midyear sophomore. My point is, whether we knew it or not, we were a lot worse a team to begin this season than last year.

Now, knowing bad we were to start with, I think it should be clear to most folks who follow our games with any interest that we are getting better, making progress. That is what the OP said in the first place. We are. Tonight, if we play well, hard, and defend our best we will make it a game and only lose by a thread. We've got to work our butts off to do that but I'm hoping.
 
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pshn80 said:
Brick is right. We are progressing. No, not from last year's record but but in the last 12 to 15 games where we are one and 11 or 14. This year we are, starting out a worse team than last year. We lost Udoka, Hawes and Nocioni (all of whom this site was happy to get rid of) and we gained Cousins, Jeter, Jackson, and ? We are paying the price for change and losing the maturity and experience. Who do we think are our best players? Beno, Tyreke, Cousins. Tyreke is so young he is only older than Cousins, who would now be a midyear sophomore. My point is, whether we knew it or not, we were a lot worse a team to begin this season than last year.

Now, knowing bad we were to start with, I think it should be clear to most folks who follow our games with any interest that we are getting better, making progress. That is what the OP said in the first place. We are. Tonight, if we play well, hard, and defend our best we will make it a game and only lose by a thread. We've got to work our butts off to do that but I'm hoping.
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Oh I know he is right, for the most part. I was being sarcastic.
 
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The games are getting more watchable from the 1st Q on and DMC is improving, that's some progress to me. The last couple games even with the 4th Q collapses have been exciting and that's all we can ask for this year. I had stupidly high expectations for this team before the season started, I really failed to take into account just how young and inexperienced they are and with no real legit vet in sight to reel in these dudes on the court and a coach that clearly isn't the sort of taskmaster, X's/O's type guy this is what's gonna happen. With all that said I still believe if Reke was 100 percent we'd look alot better out there, because regardless of what anybody says he was our closer last year for most of our 'noteable' wins.
 
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A bit negative? Are you kidding me? Thats about all that comes out of your mouth. You seldom find anything to say soomething good about. You claimed on another thread that you were one of three real kings fans. Hopefully your were being sarcastic. I've been with the Kings from day one and I don't need you or anyone to question my loyality to the team. Do you think that I, or Cruzdude or any of us that are tying to look at the positiive side, like the losing? Don't you think were in just as much pain with each loss as you claim to be.. Do you really think that your enlightening us with your posts.

I've been watching NBA and college basketball for over 50 years. I doubt that there's anything you can tell me about basketball that I don't know. I know when a team is playing badly. I know when they stink. I don't need you or anyone else on this fourm to enlighten me on the poor play. As matter of fact, the last thing I need sometimes, is to listen to a bunch of negative posters pontificate on every stinking bad thing they can think of, and pretend they have special insights that the rest of us don't have. Who the hell do you think your preaching to?

Do you think Petrie is listening in? That he's going to become enthralled with your vision of the Kings? I mean just what is your purpose. To just ***** about everything? What the hell does that help. The only people that enjoy it are your fellow bitchers. I love talking about the things that are wrong. What needs to change in order for the team to become a contender. But the discussion has to based in some sort of reality for me, or its just pointless. We can agree or disagree on anything, but please give me solid arguments other than the whole team is just crap, and there's no hope because Petire is crap and the Maloof's are crap.

I know I'm exaggerating a little. But after a while all this negativism gets tiresome. And make no mistake, being critical of the team or the coach, or a particular player isn't necessarily being negative. I've done my share of being critical of Westphal. But I give my reasons for being critical. And I'm sure there are many that disagree with me. And thats alright. But with some of you guys, the whole sky is falling. How do you have an intelligent conversation about how to stop the sky from falling?

Four years ago, maybe less. Almost everyone on this fourm was screaming for the team to stop using its mid level exception year after year, and to start the rebuild. Stop trying to recapture the glories of the past, and clean out the house. Get rid of all the big salaries that weren't leading us anywhere and get under the cap so when the time presented itself, we would have the money to make a significant move. To rebuild through the draft. At least start there. I and many others warned at the time that it would require patience. That it would get worse before it got better.

The problem with rebuilding through the draft is that it takes time. There aren't any quick fixes, unless you luck out and get a couple of your important pieces in the same year, the way the Thunder did with Durant and Green. Then it might move a little faster. Especially if one of them turns out to be a superstar, a status that Durant is approaching rapidly.

My point is, that this is what I expected. I expected us to have brainless moments on the court. I expected last minutes losses because of mistakes. Maybe I didn't expect it to be quite this bad, but I'm not shocked by it. And if you are, then you just have yourself to blame for having too high of expectations. Because this is what a rebuild looks like. Its no accident that almost all the bottome dwellers are mostly young teams without experience. Now those are the facts! You can howl at the moon all your want, but its not going to change anything. Only time and reasonable additions to the team will. If you don't have the patience for that, then I have nothing for you other than go find another team to root for. But I hope you don't do that.

I've said this before, so sorry if it bores you. But we have a saying in the Marine Corps. Its used on people we really trust. " I'll share my foxhole with you anytime". I'll tell you this. The last person I want in my foxhole with me is someone thats yelling "Were all going to die".
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Nope, I am one of only 2 other Kings fans left...yes I was being sarcastic. Clearly anyone that still watches this team at this point is a true fan or maybe a sado-masochist. I'm just being realistic. I'm certainly not any less enlightening than threads about how we should be more positive. If you don't want to read my posts, skip past any post by "nickmcclure." I never said anything bad about Petrie, in fact I think he's a very smart, very capable GM but I was hoping for a bit less pacifism this year from him. Also, what you are saying about me is your opinion. I don't call people out on this board for disagreeing with me, I'm just posting my opinions on here, we are in a FORUM. I highly doubt anyone in the FO cares about our nice little site here. For you to be annoyed that fellow kings fans are critical of a team that has lost 9 of our last 10 and are 3-11 at home is kinda ridiculous. As for Paul Westfail my beef with him is that he discourages good play. The other night against the Hornets Donte Greene was a plus 10 and didn't the play the 4th as we handed the hornets the game. Stuff like that. One day he's in love with Carl Landry and the next Darnell Jackson gets the start. That's a reasonable thing to get upset about. I've been a kings fan most of my life and I'm old enough to remember the Hurley/Richmond era. We were a bad team then but I cheered on my team then as I do now. It's just ridiculous that a team that dumped Nocioni's bad contract, Hawes and picked up a good defender in Dalembert and drafted a future starting Center cannot improve. (PS see all the positive things i just said?)
 
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