Tyreke Evans.

[Section 101]

Evans for Rights to Rubio and Flynn. HAHAHA couldnt resist.

I think Evans issues are more mental than physically at the moment. Yes his ankles are hurting and he's thinking too much about hurting them more. His shot selection is back to crap because teams are taking away his driving in the lane. And when he goes into pass mode the only ones he can make are in front of him. He's also jumping and passing, a bad habit. Coach needs to treat him like the others. If he playing like crap sit him. If he's not playing defense bench him. It may hurt in the short run, but will help in the long run. But Westfail knows he wont be around the long run if they keep losing.

 

[Kingstime]

Tyeke has only been 'terrible' this year because of how high he set the bar last year. His playmaking for others is not as good this year, simply because he isn't getting himself going first. His jumper looks alot better from mid range and I personally think that's all he really needs to be effective. He doesn't need to shoot 3's to get space, he just needs to holler at Beno and master that mid range pop shot if he had that he'd be unstoppable. Also I like most think he is hurting alot more than anybody is letting on, but the question is to make him sit or make him play through whatever is nagging him. If you sit him we watch this team with no clear 2nd option go out there every night and struggle to find themselves hoping a 2nd option rises up. If we don't sit him and let him heal up you run the risk of him getting a big time injury that could hurt the team and him alot further down the lne.

Not to get off topic but he coaching staff is at fault for everything wrong here except the play on the court. These are young professionals who just need to be told what to do out there and trusted to follow through on the gameplan. PW set a bad standard looking back at it last year when he just let Reke run wild, now it looks as if he doesn't have the ball in his hands he could give a crap. This team has fairly accurate shooters, good scorers and some good defenders it just happens that they are all role players who seemingly don't know their role. The game plan should be simple:

1. Post up Demarcus who can go to work inside, hit a cutter or dish out for a open three from one of our spot up guys Head..Cisco..Omri...Greene

or.

2. Allow Reke to penetrate and dish out for our open spot shooters...

and.

3. Use damn Beno in pick and rolls chist his mid range is automatic, if you then run that with Landry, DMC or JT you got a money play half the time.

Once again not to go off topic but I thought this is what the plan was gonna be this year, allowing all of our guys to shine out there I can except this 4-10 start if I was seeing these plays being ran on the court, but this crap is a mess.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

It's a hypothetical its like saying "imagine you had a million dollars"

it's not a serious suggestion.

Truth. People take everything so damn literally, lol.

 

[pshn80]

Not only is this thread completely rediculous, but why would you try trading Tyreke when he's playing worse than he ever has since coming into the league? Buy low, sell high ring a bell?

This thread isn't rediculous, it only said "what do you think about Tyreke's performance". Quite frankly I think that is a very legitimate, no, even a necessary question right now.

 

[kingsboi]

What's most frustrating to me about Tyreke is that he just seems like he doesn't care and he plays so lazy. You can't have that with a 21 year old, they are supposed to be full of energy and always wanting to play hard and win. He just goes through the motions and he also seems like he blocks people out when they try to give him some advice. It doesn't help that he lets himself get taken out of the games. He needs to just keep taking what the defense gives him, I don't care if he misses 10 straight jumpers, if they are there for him to take, take them! You can only get better by repetiton and practice.

 

[Tetsujin]

This. You people need to chill.

Players go through sophomore slumps? Never.

 

[Lockehead]

In last nights broadcast, Sheryl Miller asked Tyreke if he thought he was a PG or a SG. His reply was that he wasnt a PG nor was he a SG, but a "guard". Thats his problem, and its a cop out. I dont know if its his own decision, his coaches, or maybe even his brothers who seem to have a lot of influence in what he does. He is obviously a SG in a physical sense. He just doesnt have a jump shot. He is not a PG at all, yet he wants to be. I think hes calling himself a guard so that he doesnt get judged for the bad playmaking, and the bad jumpshot. But he has to figure it out sooner or later or else hes just going to continue to float in between that grey area which would make him appear lazy and stagnant on the court. it messes up his decision making. Its stopping him from making any real progress in any direction. If he has an improving jumpshot, how often is he going to use it if hes trying to get better at playmaking? If he becomes a great playmaker would his scoring abilities be left undeveloped? Not only this but our team has to deal with it also so it has its consequences on the team.

I dont think hes in a physical slump. Most of Tyreke's problems are with decision making. From the overdribbling, driving into 3 guys, dribbling into a 3 pointer, standing around, no movement, thats mostly mental. He just doesnt know what to do and it starts with his decision in being a Pg or a SG.

 

[swisshh]

Lockehead's comment is possibly very true. The offensive system or the lack thereof could be because you can't build an offense around a guy with no true position on the court. There is no offense made for that, and what we see played out as an attempt at an offense is glorified street ball.

And that is the major difference between Rose w/ the Bulls and Evans w/ the Kings. The Bulls had an offensive system to go to. Even if Reke starts to come around, it still won't fix the fact that the offense is street ball.

 

[UK_King]

Truth. People take everything so damn literally, lol.

I know! It's fun to debate every possible eventuality.

no need for no pitch forks!

 

[Gabriel]

What's most frustrating to me about Tyreke is that he just seems like he doesn't care and he plays so lazy. You can't have that with a 21 year old, they are supposed to be full of energy and always wanting to play hard and win. He just goes through the motions and he also seems like he blocks people out when they try to give him some advice. It doesn't help that he lets himself get taken out of the games. He needs to just keep taking what the defense gives him, I don't care if he misses 10 straight jumpers, if they are there for him to take, take them! You can only get better by repetiton and practice.

This. Bingo.

I could understand a slump. Every player goes through them. It's going to occur time and time again. But what I can't stand is seeing a player not even try his hardest out there.

 

[Gary]

This. Bingo.

I could understand a slump. Every player goes through them. It's going to occur time and time again. But what I can't stand is seeing a player not even try his hardest out there.

This falls on the coaching staff to make the Kings a fun team to work/play for. It's a job for these people and if the management sucks the place is going to be boring, and we are seeing this on the court. People are just going through the motions, and I think it's because of our coaching staff.

Plantar fasciitis is only part of his problem.. He's not even coming close to playing the way he is capable of (Evans) and it's rubbing off on the rest of the team.

 

[bajaden]

Nope, we probably wouldn't and that's why I wouldn't trade him. I don't know about Arenas, Tyreke is actually putting up better numbers than Arenas this year. I don't think I'd do that trade. Isn't Arenas supposed to be a "locker room cancer" too?

Well he never had the rep until he started bringing guns into the locker room. By all accounts he's loved by his teammates and has been known as jokester. Apparently his joke was taken the wrong way the last time.

 

[LPKingsFan]

I actually think there's a case for sitting Reke right now. If I remember correctly, the basketball players I used to live with would say the only way to cure plantar fasciitis is to stop playing. It's not something you can just "suck up" and play through.

 

[bajaden]

In last nights broadcast, Sheryl Miller asked Tyreke if he thought he was a PG or a SG. His reply was that he wasnt a PG nor was he a SG, but a "guard". Thats his problem, and its a cop out. I dont know if its his own decision, his coaches, or maybe even his brothers who seem to have a lot of influence in what he does. He is obviously a SG in a physical sense. He just doesnt have a jump shot. He is not a PG at all, yet he wants to be. I think hes calling himself a guard so that he doesnt get judged for the bad playmaking, and the bad jumpshot. But he has to figure it out sooner or later or else hes just going to continue to float in between that grey area which would make him appear lazy and stagnant on the court. it messes up his decision making. Its stopping him from making any real progress in any direction. If he has an improving jumpshot, how often is he going to use it if hes trying to get better at playmaking? If he becomes a great playmaker would his scoring abilities be left undeveloped? Not only this but our team has to deal with it also so it has its consequences on the team.

I dont think hes in a physical slump. Most of Tyreke's problems are with decision making. From the overdribbling, driving into 3 guys, dribbling into a 3 pointer, standing around, no movement, thats mostly mental. He just doesnt know what to do and it starts with his decision in being a Pg or a SG.

I don't entirely agree. I agree that he has bad habits, like over dribbling, or leaving his feet with nowhere to go with the ball. He tends the dominate the ball at times. All those things could be overlooked as long as he was effective at getting to the basket on a regular basis. However he hasn't been able to do that this year. For several reasons. As Kingster pointed out, every single team is loading up the middle and making it extremely difficult for him to penetrate. Of course his option should be to just kill them with his mid-range and outside shot. Unfortunately, he's not hitting that shot. So in effect, he has no option. Throw in that he's somewhat hobbled and it only makes the problem worse.

I don't think having low post centers has much effect at all. In most cases cousins comes out to the high post to clear out for Tyreke. Dalembert does as well, but in his case his man usually doesn't follow because they know Dalembert can't shoot the ball. There are times when they don't spread the floor very well, but in general, its because the other teams have taken away the inside from him and he can't shoot from the outside. At least not yet.

For one I'm disappointed in his shooting stroke. When I saw the film of him working on his shot it looked pretty good. And he wasn't kicking out his left leg. Then I saw a piece on him and his brothers talking about how well he shot the ball in highschool. They then showed a film of him in highschool and Wa La, there was the left leg kicking out. Fast forward to the beginning of the season, and there's the left leg kicking out. I immediately started to suspect that he threw everything out the window that he had been working and went back to how he shot the ball in highschool. I don't know it to be a fact. I can't prove it. But I do know he's shooting the ball almost exactly the same way he used in highschool.

His brothers have done a good job of getting him ready for the NBA. It might be a good idea to step aside when it comes to improving basketball techniques. Especially how to shoot a jump shot correctly. Somehow I think Coachie knows a bit more than they do.

 

[gunks]

This falls on the coaching staff to make the Kings a fun team to work/play for. It's a job for these people and if the management sucks the place is going to be boring, and we are seeing this on the court. People are just going through the motions, and I think it's because of our coaching staff.

Plantar fasciitis is only part of his problem.. He's not even coming close to playing the way he is capable of (Evans) and it's rubbing off on the rest of the team.

I agree with this. It sucks that you have to goad people that get paid millions to play a game into giving a **** effort wise, but alas...

I still think we have enough talent on this team to sniff 35+ wins. We are just held back by terrible coaching. Stand around/iso/ignore the post bigs offense doesnt win much. Westphal needs to figure that out. Reke came into the league a ballhog, he needs to have that coached out of him while hes young or else it is going to define him as a player for his entire career. Reke can be either Wade or Maggette. Westphal has him on the Maggette path.

As far as trading Reke for Arenas. GROSS! I know that suggestion was just to facilitate the conversation, but..ew ew ew! I dont get the Arenas fascination, at his best he was a chucker. Now he's an inefficient chucker. Plus Reke punked him last season. I remember hearing that we got offered Rondo for Reke prior to last season beginning. I'd actually think about that one. Rondo/Cuz duo would probably work a lot better than Reke/Cuz. We'll never know.

I say sit Reke to let him heal. And we shouldnt entertain any trade ideas this season, even if he has a crap one. It has been mentioned, but I'll repeat it; a lot of young stars seem to regress in their second years, then blow up in their third (see: Durant, Rose). I still love Reke's potential, I just think his development may be retarded by the coaching he is receiving here.

 

[asakkings]

Why can't AAU coaches teach a kid how to properly shoot a basketball. Its really not that difficult to take a proper jumpshot. At this point its going to be too hard for Tyreke to change his shot, after 20 years its pretty much muscle memory. Only thing is hopefully he can hit it at a higher clip like Lebron(another player with awful form).

 

[Gary]

I tend to like Euro ball instead of American ball for that fact.. AAU is all about me me me. We have a whole generation of selfish players. I wish the team would run some plays through Cousins so at least he can show what he can do. It annoys the hell out of me that others get their touches over guys like Cousins just because they have been there longer.

 

[Lockehead]

I don't entirely agree. I agree that he has bad habits, like over dribbling, or leaving his feet with nowhere to go with the ball. He tends the dominate the ball at times. All those things could be overlooked as long as he was effective at getting to the basket on a regular basis. However he hasn't been able to do that this year. For several reasons. As Kingster pointed out, every single team is loading up the middle and making it extremely difficult for him to penetrate. Of course his option should be to just kill them with his mid-range and outside shot. Unfortunately, he's not hitting that shot. So in effect, he has no option. Throw in that he's somewhat hobbled and it only makes the problem worse.

I don't think having low post centers has much effect at all. In most cases cousins comes out to the high post to clear out for Tyreke. Dalembert does as well, but in his case his man usually doesn't follow because they know Dalembert can't shoot the ball. There are times when they don't spread the floor very well, but in general, its because the other teams have taken away the inside from him and he can't shoot from the outside. At least not yet.

For one I'm disappointed in his shooting stroke. When I saw the film of him working on his shot it looked pretty good. And he wasn't kicking out his left leg. Then I saw a piece on him and his brothers talking about how well he shot the ball in highschool. They then showed a film of him in highschool and Wa La, there was the left leg kicking out. Fast forward to the beginning of the season, and there's the left leg kicking out. I immediately started to suspect that he threw everything out the window that he had been working and went back to how he shot the ball in highschool. I don't know it to be a fact. I can't prove it. But I do know he's shooting the ball almost exactly the same way he used in highschool.

His brothers have done a good job of getting him ready for the NBA. It might be a good idea to step aside when it comes to improving basketball techniques. Especially how to shoot a jump shot correctly. Somehow I think Coachie knows a bit more than they do.

Which parts do you disagree with?

It is true that teams know how to play against Tyreke this time around. The thing is, Tyreke isnt doing himself or the team any favors by doing the exact same thing he did last year. He knows the defense is loading up on him, yet he doesnt change his style of play. He does the same thing, stand at the top of the key and try to slash his way through. Coincidence or not, the top of the key is also where the PG usualy operates. The only reason that it was successful last year was because teams didnt know what to expect from the rookie. However it is a new season, the defenses has changed, but Tyreke hasnt.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

If he had a consistent jump shot he'd be able to get through this a lot quicker. His inability to shoot just highlights his problems even more.

Rondo can't shoot but he can lead and he can dish... you watch Rondo coming up the floor he's calling plays he's directing traffic if he gets the ball back he'll call another play or move some people.

unless tyreke uses a 6th sense i don't see him doing that... i don't really see anyone doing that.

you really can't compare the two because rondo plays on a team w/ all vets. they know what spots they are supposed to be at and have set plays. does reke have the same opportunity? no; kinda hard to compare the two.

i wouldn't entertain trades for reke unless we are getting a superstar in return. thats a knee jerk reaction when things are getting a little rough. imho the coaching needs a kick in the rear to turn this ship around. we have a bunch of young guys who don't know what they're supposed to do. no plays run, lots of 1 on 1 and jacking up shots early on the clock. what is the game plan from night to night? i don't know for this team.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

i bet we could get Gilbert Arenas for him.

we could have agent nothing for a bag of stale doritos and capspace. he's not that hard to get. we'd be doing the wizards a favor by taking him off their hands.

 

[Lockehead]

Thing is Tyreke has a huge upside, but it wouldnt mean anything if its not developed

 

[Asaf]

you really can't compare the two because rondo plays on a team w/ all vets. they know what spots they are supposed to be at and have set plays. does reke have the same opportunity? no; kinda hard to compare the two.

i wouldn't entertain trades for reke unless we are getting a superstar in return. thats a knee jerk reaction when things are getting a little rough. imho the coaching needs a kick in the rear to turn this ship around. we have a bunch of young guys who don't know what they're supposed to do. no plays run, lots of 1 on 1 and jacking up shots early on the clock. what is the game plan from night to night? i don't know for this team.

Yup, and you know what else vets can do? They will call out their coach's *** for running non-offense, playing guys out of position, and playing mind games with his team. I'd love to see Westphal try to pull this crap on Garnett or Pierce. He wouldn't be able to find a job coaching middle school after they were done with him.

 

[Asaf]

we could have agent nothing for a bag of stale doritos and capspace. he's not that hard to get. we'd be doing the wizards a favor by taking him off their hands.

Hey, I had dibs on that bag of doritos!

 

[Gabriel]

This falls on the coaching staff to make the Kings a fun team to work/play for. It's a job for these people and if the management sucks the place is going to be boring, and we are seeing this on the court. People are just going through the motions, and I think it's because of our coaching staff.

Plantar fasciitis is only part of his problem.. He's not even coming close to playing the way he is capable of (Evans) and it's rubbing off on the rest of the team.

Wow.! I completely disagree.

So what you're saying is that if you worked making let's say 20$ an hour, and your boss was an a-hole, you wouldn't be trying your best at whatever it is you do? Really? That sounds like grade school stuff. These are professionals, sometimes, things aren't going to be "fun". But the coach doesn't miss jumpshots, miss layups, commit turnovers, etc. I'm sure Phil Jackson doesn't exactly lead a "let's lolly-lag and have fun so we can win ball games" campaign.

 

[Asaf]

Wow.! I completely disagree.

So what you're saying is that if you worked making let's say 20$ an hour, and your boss was an a-hole, you wouldn't be trying your best at whatever it is you do? Really? That sounds like grade school stuff. These are professionals, sometimes, things aren't going to be "fun". But the coach doesn't miss jumpshots, miss layups, commit turnovers, etc. I'm sure Phil Jackson doesn't exactly lead a "let's lolly-lag and have fun so we can win ball games" campaign.

It's not about fun. Your boss can be an *******, but he needs to let you know exactly what you should be doing, and if you're working within a group, he needs to make sure that you know how your work complements the other members of the team. How can players be motivated and play with energy when they don't know what they're supposed to do? You can't focus on an unknown task. If, for example, Tyreke has the ball and his teammates have no idea what he plans to do with it, where is their energy supposed to be channeled? If I'm on the court and Tyreke has the ball, do I cut to the basket and hope he will see me and make the pass. Do I set a screen for him or for another player to get an open look? No one knows, because there are no plays called. So everyone just stands around. The only things that can happen at this point (which is usually with less than 10 seconds on the shot clock) are:

1. Tyreke drives and tries to finish at the rim - worked ok last season, not so well these days.
2. Tyreke drives and dishes to a shooter who is forced to take the shot whether it's a good look or not due to the shot clock running out.
3. The ball gets swung around the perimiter until someone has to take an out-of-rhythm shot due to the shot clock.

This is stupid and lazy basketball. The one advantage an offense has over defense is that the attacking team is supposed to know what it's going to do while the defending team has to guess and try to sabotage that plan. In our case, we don't have a plan, and our options are pretty predictable, so the defending players know what's going to happen just as much as the attacking players do.

Sometimes, when I watch real teams, like the Celtics, Utah, or the Lakers, I watch a play and imagine what the Kings would do in that situation. Then I realize that if those teams did what the Kings would do, their coaches would rip them apart. Can you imagine Rondo dribbling the ball for 16 seconds, driving straight into 5 defenders, leaving his feet and then throwing up a wild shot or try to pass the ball to an unprepared shooter? Can you imagine Garnett, Allen, and Pierce standing around the perimeter trying to figure out what Rondo is trying to do? How ridiculous is that picture to you? I'm sorry folks, but at his point in time, Sacramento does not have an NBA team. I'm not sure this team would qualify for the Euroleague, for that matter.

 

[=LarryLegend=]

I swear Kings could have MJ in his prime and kf.com would be down on him and try to trade him. Tyreke should go spend sometime with coachie for a week, get his head cleared and rest his body. He is our star and cheap right now. Trading him would get Geoff fired.

 

[=LarryLegend=]

Also doesn't help we have no 3pt shooters......I think ime was kinda annoying but he could spread the floor with Nocioni. Chuckers yes. But Teams don't have to guard our "shooters" don't have to guard tyreke 20' out clog the land and they win.

Also Kings CAN'T defend the pick and roll worth a damn. Doesn't help.

 

[Asaf]

I swear Kings could have MJ in his prime and kf.com would be down on him and try to trade him. Tyreke should go spend sometime with coachie for a week, get his head cleared and rest his body. He is our star and cheap right now. Trading him would get Geoff fired.

We don't need to trade Tyreke. We need to COACH him. Tyreke hasn't been coached since he came to the NBA. And no, "take the ball and do whatever the hell you want" does not qualify as coaching.

Also, we need to let him rest for a week or two if he is injured. Let him heal, it's not like we're in the run for the playoffs...

 

[Kings Fan Gerard]

Tyreke has sucked for most of this young season but I will stop being a Kings fan if they trade him.

 

[Bricklayer]

Tyreke has sucked for most of this young season but I will stop being a Kings fan if they trade him.

I don't think you have much to worry about. Numbnuts venting on the internet because they lack perspective =/= as Geoff Petrie panicking 14 games into a guy's sophomore season.