K9 - Murphy

Aenadin · Feb 12, 2010

we dont need to do rush trades just yet... we can sit out this entire season... we will win games and then some. complete the season with a martin-reke tandem (finally going to click i hope yes my notions in trading him some what changeD) get a lottery pick this year and build from that point.

in my honest opinion were the ones who HAVE the parts that other team needs, Dallas wants martin, others want K9s capspace. in the deepest darkest minds of a contender noc is wanted.

and GM Wallace wants to trade mark gasol, oj mayo, hasheem thabeet, 3 future first round picks for sergio, sean may, and ime udoka

honestly when the name donte greene was involved in that rumor it SHOT down all the chances of it coming to reality.. no way Petrie does that...

Bricklayer · Feb 12, 2010

I am doing my best to just ignore all this Troy Murphy stuff, but I have to admit to being a half tic from absolutely shocked to see our name attached to Troy Murphy's at the deadline. Never in a million years would I have guessed that. In the entire league I think we might have been the absolute last team I could imagine being interested.

MassachusettsKingsFan · Feb 12, 2010

Another thing - why Murphy?

Dalembert has the same contract length as Murphy... Much better defender. He's a player we could actually use. He's younger and I could see the 76ers trading him for K9.

NewArena · Feb 12, 2010

I cant sleep because im confused as to why this is even a rumor. Its just so....stupid. Nothing more to say on that. I guess the good news is Petrie rarely does what we hear about.

He will definitely do something we either dont like or agree with at first, but he will definitely do something random.

JoMama · Feb 12, 2010

Troy Murphy is just another big white stiff who'd rather shoot jumpers. NO to Troy Murphy!!!!

JJ22L · Feb 12, 2010

JoMama said:

Nearly verbatim with what I was about to say. Petrie, for whatever reason, has an obsession with big white guys that can't defend the paint. It hasn't worked thus far, why would it work now? I'd much rather have Dalembert. They have almost exactly the same contract, (about 12 mil per year coming off in two years) but at least Dalembert offers some form of defensive presence. If we are actually looking to defer cap space until later, why not at least get a better player?

The Jam · Feb 12, 2010

If the best the Kings are offering is Kenny Thomas and Beno Udrih's atrocious contract, Bird hangs up immediately. You're not getting a 14/10 (16/11 per-36), lights out shooting PF on a good contract for table scraps.

Kenny Thomas' expiring, fine. But Sacramento will have to throw in a good, young prospect to make it worth Indy's while. Donte Greene or Sergio Rodriguez at the minumum. Even then I think the Pacers can do better.

ParniValjak · Feb 12, 2010

The Jam said:

Well if you think you are getting Donte Greene then you are deluded. Simple as that. Other than Tyreke Evans, he is a youngster on our team that has the greatest upside which he is starting to produce on the court. On both ends!

Troy Murphy is an over-rated chuker that doesn't know the meaning of defence AND his contract is FAR FAR from a good contract. The only good thing about it is that it expires after next season. But $11-12 million per season for Troy Murphy is NOT a good contact.

JJ22L · Feb 12, 2010

Čarolija said:

Well if you think you are getting Donte Greene then you are deluded. Simple as that. Other than Tyreke Evans, he is a youngster on our team that has the greatest upside which he is starting to produce on the court. On both ends!

Troy Murphy is an over-rated chuker that doesn't know the meaning of defence AND his contract is FAR FAR from a good contract. The only good thing about it is that it expires after next season. But $11-12 million per season for Troy Murphy is NOT a good contact.

Co-signed

BMiller52 · Feb 12, 2010

The Jam said:

Then keep him! We don't even want Murphy, dude doesn't help our team at all. There's no way you're getting Donte or JT, who both probably wind up being better than Murphy is right now in his prime! The last thing we need is a no D PF who enjoys shooting 3s. He doesn't help us at all. Donte is a 6'11'' stud athlete who can shoot the ball, plays good defense, drive it, etc. He has a ton of potential. And by giving you guys Kenny we'd be taking on 11 million extra next year for a guy who doesn't add to our core at all. We'd be doing you guys a favor. KEEP MURPHY, WE DON'T WANT HIM, AND IF OUR GM DOES THEN HE'S INSANE.

sidney · Feb 12, 2010

BMiller52 said:

heh, indeed. Most here already hate the Murphy for KT idea alone. Then in comes the Indy fan "Well if you really want Murphy we have to get Donte too". If that trade went down I think this board would erupt.

TTown Kings · Feb 12, 2010

The Jam said:

Perfect! You can keep him!

JJ22L · Feb 12, 2010

The Jam said:

If the best the Kings are offering is Kenny Thomas and Beno Udrih's atrocious contract, Bird hangs up immediately. You're not getting a 14/10 (16/11 per-36), lights out shooting PF on a good contract for table scraps.

Kenny Thomas' expiring, fine. But Sacramento will have to throw in a good, young prospect to make it worth Indy's while. Donte Greene or Sergio Rodriguez at the minumum. Even then I think the Pacers can do better.

asinine

Merdiesel · Feb 12, 2010

Keep him!

The Jam said:

Come on man, you're highly over valuing your boy Murphy. You're lucky if we even offer you Thomas' expiring or Beno straight up. No ****ing way in hell we're giving you a top prospect for a 30 year old who peaked a long time ago. You're delusional.

Bricklayer · Feb 12, 2010

I am amused through this whole Murphy thing that Indiana seems to be acting as if they think they have a real asset to trade rather than lottery PF with a misfit game and a toxic contract.

Did finally work out a scenario in which we were interested in Murphy -- basically the trade Kevin scenario (seperately one would presume). So you trade Kevin, feel like you've lost some of your shooting at the SG spot (Kevin's actual results there this season notwithstanding), and how do you get it back? Trade for a shooter out front. Put together an inverted Orlando lineup. Reke and 4 3pt shooters (Hawes+Murphy) for spacing. Also note it would be the sort of thing you might resort to if you paired up a Reke+Iggy backcourt. Now that's all just sheer imagination at work trying to explain the unexplainable interest, but its the first time I've come up with anything rational at all.

Roaming Gnome · Feb 12, 2010

We'll end up "fleecing" someone to take Murphy. I just get the feeling that Bird isn't going to get more then a salary dump that both the Kings and the Cavaliers are currently offering.

On our end... Yeah, we'd love to get some of your young talent, but I don't think any of the GM's involved in the Murphy rumors are going to part with more then a salary dump. Conversely, I wouldn't think Bird is going to take back contracts on "back-up" talent.

Sptsjunkie · Feb 12, 2010

JJ22L said:

The difference is that Dalembert already makes slightly more and has a 15% trade kicker to be paid immediately. So he would cost us more. I am not sure how a trade kicker factors into matching salaries though. If it does, that is another impediment.

Bricklayer · Feb 12, 2010

Roaming Gnome said:

We'll end up "fleecing" someone to take Murphy. I just get the feeling that Bird isn't going to get more then a salary dump that both the Kings and the Cavaliers are currently offering.

On our end... Yeah, we'd love to get some of your young talent, but I don't think any of the GM's involved in the Murphy rumors are going to part with more then a salary dump. Conversely, I wouldn't think Bird is going to take back contracts on "back-up" talent.

Emma · Feb 13, 2010

I saw something along the lines of this on a Pacers forum:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzq8tu9

Kings in: Murphy
Kings Out: Martin

Boston in: Martin / Ford,
Boston out: Ray Allen

Pacers out: Ford, Murphy
Pacers in: Ray Allen

Talk about injecting life into the Celtics

For the reasons that Brick mentioned I'd do this if we got a pick too.

I think the Cavs really want Murphy bad too. Meh, they can have him.

Uncia03 · Feb 13, 2010

I'd trade Kevin for expirings a 100 times over before trading him for Murphy. A Kevin+Nocioni for Ray Allen is a much better deal than a Kevin for Murphy trade.

And any trade involving Kevin should include either a defensive big or a star big. A Kevin for expirings is really the least palatable scenario and should only be considered if we can move another large contract with it. (Nocioni/Beno)

Kevin for Murphy is just a horrible trade for us.

Warhawk · Feb 13, 2010

ryanandty said:

You have something amiss there, as apparently Murphy no longer plays in the league when you are done and Martin / Ford are playing for two different teams.

Emma · Feb 13, 2010

Warhawk said:

Really? It looks alright to me...

I know my grammatical structure is odd, but I think I covered it all...

(am I being block headed here?)

Edit: Oooohh...

4 hours of sleep doesn't do me well enough.

Emma · Feb 13, 2010

ryanandty said:

Fixed

pacers · Feb 13, 2010

From the perspective of a life-long Indiana fan:

[1] The rumors have been initiated by the King's press (see: Sam Amick). [2] The Pacers are not interested in trading Murphy for an expiring contract, and that has been overstated. While a potential trade involving Thomas is possible because of salary requirements, the Pacers would want either a young player or a draft pick in return. [3] The Pacers would not trade Hibbert unless it involved a player or players who have achieved stardom. Hibbert is a key player in the organization, why would Indiana trade Hibbert and Murphy for Thomas? [4] It is likely that a trade has been discussed, however it can not be substantiated if a potential trade will occur. Keep in mind, Indiana also has had discussions with Milwaukee and Cleveland. Murphy is a very desireable player for teams with established centers because of his ability to shoot outside and rebound.

As a final note, hopefully both our teams can continue to progress. I feel like the Pacers and Kings are similar organizations with faithful fan bases. Kudos to all of you who have stuck around through the post-Webber years.

Cheers.

Entity · Feb 13, 2010

pacers said:

From the perspective of a life-long Indiana fan:

[1] The rumors have been initiated by the King's press (see: Sam Amick). [2] The Pacers are not interested in trading Murphy for an expiring contract, and that has been overstated. While a potential trade involving Thomas is possible because of salary requirements, the Pacers would want either a young player or a draft pick in return. [3] The Pacers would not trade Hibbert unless it involved a player or players who have achieved stardom. Hibbert is a key player in the organization, why would Indiana trade Hibbert and Murphy for Thomas? [4] It is likely that a trade has been discussed, however it can not be substantiated if a potential trade will occur. Keep in mind, Indiana also has had discussions with Milwaukee and Cleveland. Murphy is a very desireable player for teams with established centers because of his ability to shoot outside and rebound.

As a final note, hopefully both our teams can continue to progress. I feel like the Pacers and Kings are similar organizations with faithful fan bases. Kudos to all of you who have stuck around through the post-Webber years.

Cheers.

dude don't worry about us. we don't want anybody from indiana.

Tetsujin · Feb 13, 2010

Entity said:

Are ya sure about that? I wouldn't mind having Hibbert.

Bricklayer · Feb 14, 2010

Tetsujin said:

Nor would I.

But its hard to imagine any acceptable scenario (acceptable meaning not tapping our top young players to go the other way) where that could happen. Not even sure about a Martin trade getting that done -- who would they use for big men then? Of course they would still have Murphy I guess.

dbfish · Feb 14, 2010

Hibbert si, Murphy no!

Roaming Gnome · Feb 14, 2010

We only have 2 guys on this crap-tacular squad that are "untouchable" as dubbed by management. Thankfully, Hibbert is one of those two. I don't see anyone putting a package together that would prompt Bird and company to give up on one of the few bright spots that we have going.

Emma · Feb 14, 2010

Roaming Gnome said:

Even for Martin?

Throw us a trade that could nab us Hibbert.

Here, I'll go first:

JT and Martin

for

Murphy and Hibbert

Not out of the realm of possibility, a bit shocking, but a fine gamble.

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