Seven proposals emerge for a Sacramento arena

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http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/2420323.html

Sacramento arena task force officials announced they had received seven responses by a Christmas Eve deadline for proposals to build a new sports and entertainment center.
"It's very exciting," project task force co-chair Chris Lehane said Thursday night. "Santa Claus came early."
Just how many of the plans will turn out to be feasible in a tough economy remains to be seen.
Lehane said Mayor Kevin Johnson's "Sacramento First" task force, made up of 12 community volunteers, will publish general outlines of the proposals next week, and will make the full proposals public at a Jan. 14 open house.
Several proposals involve downtown sites, including the downtown railyard, Lehane said.
Besides the seven proposals, the task force will consider renovating existing Arco Arena, as some suggested at recent hearings, Lehane said.
The task force also will review an existing proposal for an arena at Cal Expo, which is under discussion with state and National Basketball Association officials.
Johnson has asked the task force to review proposals, study how arenas have been built in other cities, and submit an arena plan to him by March 11.
Johnson said his efforts to build an arena are not only about keeping the Kings in town, but also stem from his desire for Sacramento to have a better multi-purpose entertainment venue than aging Arco.
"It's not about basketball," Johnson said in launching the effort. "It's not about the Kings. It's about what we want in our community."
Kings owners and NBA officials have been pushing for several years for a new arena, saying they need a modern facility to compete in the high-finance world of professional sports.
The effort has so far come to naught. In 2006, Sacramento voters overwhelmingly rejected a ballot proposal for a sales tax to subsidize a new arena.
Since then, NBA officials have been working with state officials at Cal Expo on a plan to remodel the fairgrounds and build an arena, but those plans have been stymied in the last year by the economic downturn.
After talking with the Kings and NBA officials, Johnson this fall launched his own fast-track effort for a sports and entertainment complex, saying he wants an arena plan by spring.
Pushing the pace, Johnson six weeks ago requested that interested parties submit detailed proposals by Christmas Eve. Each proposal, he said, must include a description of the development team, what they propose, how it will be designed, how transportation in the project area will be handled, when it will be built, and how it will be financed.
The tight time frame left some local developers on the sidelines. But task force co-chair Lehane said Thursday he was pleased by the number of submittals.
"It shows there is a seriousness of purpose in how developers and other entities are approaching this," Lehane said.
Johnson did not respond to The Bee's requests for comment.
Several people contacted by The Bee said submitters had been asked by the task force not to publicly discuss their proposals yet.
Earlier, downtown railyard owner Thomas Enterprises said it would submit a proposal for its site. Company official Suheil Totah said an arena would fit nicely with his firm's efforts to redevelop the largely vacant 240-acre railyard site in the northwest corner of downtown.
"We're excited about it," Totah said. "We think it will be a catalyst."
The mayor has not stated where he would prefer an arena.
Some City Hall officials have said they believe downtown, notably the railyard, is a better site than the current Arco site in North Natomas.
One member of the mayor's task force, architect Dan Meis, designer of the Staples Center in Los Angeles, called Arco "a big shed in a parking lot," and said arenas now are built as part of an urban development district with stores, restaurants, businesses, public plazas, and housing around the facility.
A number of Kings fans argue that Arco, adjacent to two major freeways, remains their preferred site.
 
#2
Just coming on to post this. We'll see how they look after mid-Jan. Most interesting is the mentioned Arco renovation. It's been deemed infeasible before, I wonder what changed.







Edit: Another thing that hurts a renovation plan is the lack of an adequate college arena in the area that can hold the Kings while Arco is under the knife... Oh! But the new arena in Stockton is fairly adequate: http://www.stocktonarena.com/arena_overview.aspx. In fact, I like it enough to say it could serve as a template for the new arena. (Solves that lack of a college arena problem ;) )
 
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Tetsujin

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#3
Just coming on to post this. We'll see how they look after mid-Jan. Most interesting is the mentioned Arco renovation. It's been deemed unfeasible before, I wonder what changed.







Edit: Another thing that hurts a renovation plan is the lack of an adequate college arena in the area that can hold the Kings while Arco is under the knife... Oh! But the new arena in Stockton is fairly adequate: http://www.stocktonarena.com/arena_overview.aspx. In fact, I like it enough to say it could serve as a template for the new arena. (Solves that lack of a college arena problem ;) )
Yeah, I was always wondering about the possibility of the Kings using the Stockton Arena for a while if Arco Arena was being renovated. I think that the Stockton Arena only fits 14,000 though.
 
#4
When set up for basketball I think it holds < 13,000. But there are luxury suites, first class amenities, etc... It's a pretty cool little arena. I wonder what it's concourses are like.
 
#5
I'm getting mixed signals on the Arco renovation. Several studies have shown that it can't be renovated. I have a feeling that this supposed proposal is worded wrong.
 
#6
I always thought that the road block to a renovation is cost. i.e. The cost of renovation would be similar to the cost of a new arena.

Would the value of the land be factored into the cost savings should they choose to renovate? I believe it is worth about $70 million. I know they could also avoid all of the infrastructure problems (like roads in and out) if they just stayed where they were.

Myself, I'm kind of an "If you're gonna do it, you better go all the way," thinker when it comes to these major builds. So they could just knock down Arco and start from the foundation. But that means there would be demolition and clean up costs added as well.
 

VF21

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My gut instinct is that they will not choose the renovation option for a wide variety of reasons. If they do go with the Natomas site, my best guess would be they'll build New Arco adjacent to old Arco and then demolish old Arco once the new structure is useable. In this economy, I can not see them selecting an option that would require the Kings to play out of the area for the length of time it would take to refurb Arco. And for a lot of people, going to Stockton to see a game would not be an acceptable or attractive option.
 

Warhawk

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My gut instinct is that they will not choose the renovation option for a wide variety of reasons. If they do go with the Natomas site, my best guess would be they'll build New Arco adjacent to old Arco and then demolish old Arco once the new structure is useable. In this economy, I can not see them selecting an option that would require the Kings to play out of the area for the length of time it would take to refurb Arco. And for a lot of people, going to Stockton to see a game would not be an acceptable or attractive option.
Agreed. And if doable, I still like the Natomas location. Then they just need to get light rail somewhere close......
 
#10
My support will go towards any idea of leveling westfield mall and putting the arena right their as the center of a new entertainment district. Light rail is already there and it will serve as a nice center, with the the cvic center, K street mall and old sac all within walking distance

That is my "ideal" vision.
 

VF21

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^^And the problem with that still remains the same. It would put the whole thing under the control of the City Council, and what if the next mayor is another Heather Fargo?
 

bajaden

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^^And the problem with that still remains the same. It would put the whole thing under the control of the City Council, and what if the next mayor is another Heather Fargo?
Gulp! I just got sick to my stomach...Where are my acid reflux pills?
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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And ten years later and we are still submitting proposals...

This really shouldn't be THAT hard you know. Just about every city of similar size in America has somehow managed to build arenas for one sport or another, or sometimes even just random entertainment.
 

VF21

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And ten years later and we are still submitting proposals...

This really shouldn't be THAT hard you know. Just about every city of similar size in America has somehow managed to build arenas for one sport or another, or sometimes even just random entertainment.
At least now we have a mayor who isn't busily trying to figure out how to run the Kings out of town without being obvious about it. And we have a mayor who recognizes that a new state-of-the-art venue will do much more for the area than just provide the Sacramento Kings with a place to play. I honestly think Kevin Johnson is the first mayor since Joe Serna who truly cares about Sacramento.
 
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And ten years later and we are still submitting proposals...

This really shouldn't be THAT hard you know. Just about every city of similar size in America has somehow managed to build arenas for one sport or another, or sometimes even just random entertainment.
Unfortunately, this is Sacramento, where "getting things" done is not in the dictionary. This city has never been able to build an arena, stadium or similar. They couldn't manage to build any baseball stadium, so much poorer West Sacramento helped build one. :rolleyes:

I think something may have been wrongly worded about the "remodeling." More than one engineer has said it's not possible to properly remodel the current Arco Arena due to an inadequate foundation to support a remodel. I'm still glad to see that they got 7 proposals. That's actually a lot and even more so in the current economy. I was surprised. Unfortunately, a proposal means "pie-in-the-sky" unless they have a feasible funding proposal.
 
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It seems at this point a downtown arena has the momentum.

I think Cal Expo is dead and Natomas seems to have little appeal.

I think it would be great to have an arena downtown.
 
#26
I would hardly declare Cal Expo dead. Even if this panel comes up with a proposal, it is the NBA that is in direct negotiations with the Cal Expo Board.

The City would not only have to convince the NBA that it has a truly feasible financial plan and design, but that it can indeed get approval for the necessary financing.

Those have been two hurdles the city has been unable to get over for ten years now. Not only will they have to get over those two hurdles, the plans will have to be equal to or better than the plan for Cal Expo. The Cal Expo plan was deemed financially feasible by developers asked to comment on the plan. Just not feasible in the economy right now.

Remember, the plan for Cal Expo was come up with, because Cal Expo is a State entity operating on State-owned land. No approvals are needed from either the city or county of Sacramento which have failed for ten years to get even a scintilla of support for any of the several funding options they floated over those years.

I really, really want an arena built somewhere in the Sacramento area and I honestly don't care where at this point. On the other hand, I'm not going to get ahead of myself until somebody has a feasible financing plan that's almost guaranteed to be doable. That's the part that's been the deal-breaker with every porposal over the last ten years (Q & R was only one of the ideas that has flat-out failed.)
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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It seems at this point a downtown arena has the momentum.

I think Cal Expo is dead and Natomas seems to have little appeal.

I think it would be great to have an arena downtown.

I've long agreed with that, but at this point I think it would just be great to have an arena period.

Pick one. Build it. Get drunk and party. :p
 
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My gut instinct is that they will not choose the renovation option for a wide variety of reasons. If they do go with the Natomas site, my best guess would be they'll build New Arco adjacent to old Arco and then demolish old Arco once the new structure is useable. In this economy, I can not see them selecting an option that would require the Kings to play out of the area for the length of time it would take to refurb Arco. And for a lot of people, going to Stockton to see a game would not be an acceptable or attractive option.
For a lot of us Elk Grove people it wouldn't make much of a difference.. :)

30 mins to Stockton, 30 mins to Natomas.. :D