I think you mischaracterize many Kings fans. Of course we want wins. But, even in losses we are seeing a huge improvement in this team, and we believe it is only a matter of time before the wins start racking up on a regular basis. I don't think wins and losses have anything to do with our desire to get some good media coverage, for a change. We have a guy, who at the age of 20, is doing a fantastic job, as only a rookie (both offensively and defensively). Since we are so used to the lousy coverage (and often deservedly so when you look at last year), we would sure like to get some good coverage (for our players and our team) when they deserve it as well.
Race for ROY - revised title
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I think you mischaracterize many Kings fans. Of course we want wins. But, even in losses we are seeing a huge improvement in this team, and we believe it is only a matter of time before the wins start racking up on a regular basis. I don't think wins and losses have anything to do with our desire to get some good media coverage, for a change. We have a guy, who at the age of 20, is doing a fantastic job, as only a rookie (both offensively and defensively). Since we are so used to the lousy coverage (and often deservedly so when you look at last year), we would sure like to get some good coverage (for our players and our team) when they deserve it as well.
I've tried at every turn in this discussion to keep Kings fans from being characterized like that. Go back and read the last couple of pages. I was the lone defender of that position.
I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone here.
OK I'll level with you I'm more an admirer of a blue collar player such as Tim Duncan or John Stockton than the media darling type like Gilbert Arenas. I'm the old school type that believe in bringing your lunch pail to work with you and getting dirty. There certainly are benefits from getting national media exposure such as increased ticket sales from hype, creating a national fan base etc. I wouldn't mind that at all. That just isn't my focus.
Also in drafts I always just hope for a usable player since I've seen so many busts over the years. Even the #1 overall can bust and does so frequently enough. If my team walks away from a draft with a competent usable player IMO it was a smashing success. That media coverage thing is not in my control and I don't worry about it.
I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone here.
OK I'll level with you I'm more an admirer of a blue collar player such as Tim Duncan or John Stockton than the media darling type like Gilbert Arenas. I'm the old school type that believe in bringing your lunch pail to work with you and getting dirty. There certainly are benefits from getting national media exposure such as increased ticket sales from hype, creating a national fan base etc. I wouldn't mind that at all. That just isn't my focus.
Also in drafts I always just hope for a usable player since I've seen so many busts over the years. Even the #1 overall can bust and does so frequently enough. If my team walks away from a draft with a competent usable player IMO it was a smashing success. That media coverage thing is not in my control and I don't worry about it.
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Personally I'm happy for the Bucks. That franchise has been in the dumps for awhile now too, good for them to get a player like Jennings.
Fact is, as Kings fans we shouldnt be bitter because Reke is just as studly. He just doesnt have people going ga-ga over him because he didnt drop 55 on the Dubs in over 40 minutes of play (when do we play them again anyways? Reke should shoot for 60 just because he can...And he can.).
Good for the Bucks, good for us. It's not like we passed on Jennings and picked up a Dud. We're going to get to watch amazing battles for years between Reke and Jennings. I cant wait for the first one.
Personally I'm happy for the Bucks. That franchise has been in the dumps for awhile now too, good for them to get a player like Jennings.
Fact is, as Kings fans we shouldnt be bitter because Reke is just as studly. He just doesnt have people going ga-ga over him because he didnt drop 55 on the Dubs in over 40 minutes of play (when do we play them again anyways? Reke should shoot for 60 just because he can...And he can.).
Good for the Bucks, good for us. It's not like we passed on Jennings and picked up a Dud. We're going to get to watch amazing battles for years between Reke and Jennings. I cant wait for the first one.
The fuss (about who's leading the ROY race) is pre-mature at this point anyway. People are talking about Jennings because he had a near triple-double in his NBA debut and was the youngest ever to score 55 in a game. That's two huge games in a short span. Evans and Jennings are pretty much even at this point statistically, but those huge games get people's attention. It certainly isn't because Evans is in Sacramento because Milwaukee is at least as passed over as Sacramento in terms of major media coverage. When was the last time you remember seeing Bucks highlights on ESPN? Has it ever happened?
Agree with that -- big as the games against CP3 and Deron were, Evans needs a signature game to realy capture the imagination of the national media. Unfortunately the deeper into the season it comes, the less likely it is to get noticed. Also means that barring compelte collapse or significant injury its hard to imagine Jennings not being at least co-rookie of the year at this point. But if there end up TWO PGs from the draft averaging well over 20 5 and 5 a split of the award is distinctly possible.
You distort my argument. I make no effort to claim that KingsFans.com speaks for all Kings Fans, nor do I personally hold the position that this board is definitively representative of all Kings Fans. What I do suggest is that it is, statistically speaking, far more probable that KF.com provides a far broader and more representative (and possibly even more accurate) portrayal of Kings Fans worldwide than the handful of fans that you know personally. I do not discount any other theory as possible, but if you have a credible argument for why I should believe that any other possibility is more likely, I'm all ears.
I'm not distorting anything, but that seems to be a popular claim around here. Your theory that "KF.com provides a far broader and more representative (and possibly even more accurate) portrayal of Kings Fans worldwide than the handful of fans that you know personally" may be true, however my sample included fans I have talked to over the 22 years of being a Kings fan as well, not just my friends. The absolute stark absence of that conversation completely led me to believe that it may be more of an internet thing. The thing is , respectfully, I don't care what you believe and I'm not here to sway your position on any topic. I made what I considered to be a simple innocuous statement and found myself defending it repeatedly.
What do you mean by "an internet thing?" What, exactly, is "an internet thing?" Are you suggesting that the posts that you read on the internet are not representative of real people? Are you suggesting that all of the people here who hem and haw over the media's coverage of the Kings (which you may note that I am not among) are being disingenuous, and just pretending to care about that stuff because they're on a message board?
Ok to start off you realize your have veered way off course of the argument right? I'm not suggesting at all that you are being disingenuous , I am suggesting that you're looking to be offended though. Your question doesn't actually warrant an answer since you're just being argumentative.
Henkel- I am not using anecdotal anything as fact. I don't want to change anyone's mind, I was just defending my statement. Over. And over.
EDIT: I've come to this forum as a Kings fan and was immediately surprised by regular not-so-veiled jabs and insults, rudeness and negativity. I'm trying to stick it out here because guess what- I LOVE THE KINGS- but this sort of negative immaturity just isn't my kind of thing. I'm too old for it.
Henkel- I am not using anecdotal anything as fact. I don't want to change anyone's mind, I was just defending my statement. Over. And over.
EDIT: I've come to this forum as a Kings fan and was immediately surprised by regular not-so-veiled jabs and insults, rudeness and negativity. I'm trying to stick it out here because guess what- I LOVE THE KINGS- but this sort of negative immaturity just isn't my kind of thing. I'm too old for it.
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You can't take out those first 5 games, they count when talking about ROY up to this point. That is almost half of the games played up to this point of course it will skew the stats. Why does Tyreke get some kind of grace period that Jennings doesn't?
Jennings is putting up better stats so far. Evans has been keeping pace as of late and we go a long way to go, but so far Jennings has put up better numbers on a team with more wins.
Jennings is putting up better stats so far. Evans has been keeping pace as of late and we go a long way to go, but so far Jennings has put up better numbers on a team with more wins.
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Nobody is looking to be offended. Why would I waste my time doing something so stupid? Im offended because whats going on is offensive. I know how it makes me feel better than you know how it makes me feel. Dont I? With that said we can now stop talking about this or ignore anyone who attempts to keep talking about it. Time will tell if Jennings follows the same career path that Iverson did.
Sparky, the people here really are nice, just chalk it up to a bad day and people wishing to discuss and be a bit argumentative. SC is one of the more knowledgable and opinionated guys here, don't take his words as insult. he just values his stance very much. Also I think there might have been something lost in translation between you guys but i'm too lazy to re-read it... cliffnotes somebody!
Take a look at our membeship numbers. I think we've been exposed to a lot more Kings fans than any one individual could possibly meet unless he/she was taking tickets at Arco every night.
You're new here. I think what you're not understanding is that this board does, in fact, reflect the views of a myriad of Kings fans from all over the world.
What I'm also objecting to is the slightly disparaging tone with which you seem to view the board and our members. Narrow subset of Kings fans? I don't think so.
We're very proud of what we have here, and what we have is the most popular Kings message board on the Internet. Our members come from every walk of life, every age group is represented, both genders are equally active, and we have continually grown, even during the lean years.
So, while I respect your right to have an opinion, I think you need to recognize that as far as this board goes, you're the newbie. You're the one who cannot possibly be as familiar with our membership as are those of us who have been around for a very long time.
And there's part of the problem. Instead of working to resolve your issues, whatever they may be, with some of the members, you're immediately starting with insults, etc. That's not going to bode well. And you're not that old.
Just take a deep breath, step back a bit and relax. Don't make quick judgments about us or our members. Learn to get to know us a bit before you decide we're rude, negative, etc. There are boards out there - and some that are no longer around - who thrive on that kind of adversity. We're not one of them.
If we've gotten off on the wrong foot, that can be repaired. But only if you keep characterizations and personalizations out of the equations.
Most of us are here because we love the Kings. Some of us (hey, tradepeja! ) cannot manage to get along very well at all but we find a way because of that common thread. Give it a chance.
You're new here. I think what you're not understanding is that this board does, in fact, reflect the views of a myriad of Kings fans from all over the world.
What I'm also objecting to is the slightly disparaging tone with which you seem to view the board and our members. Narrow subset of Kings fans? I don't think so.
We're very proud of what we have here, and what we have is the most popular Kings message board on the Internet. Our members come from every walk of life, every age group is represented, both genders are equally active, and we have continually grown, even during the lean years.
So, while I respect your right to have an opinion, I think you need to recognize that as far as this board goes, you're the newbie. You're the one who cannot possibly be as familiar with our membership as are those of us who have been around for a very long time.
And there's part of the problem. Instead of working to resolve your issues, whatever they may be, with some of the members, you're immediately starting with insults, etc. That's not going to bode well. And you're not that old.
Just take a deep breath, step back a bit and relax. Don't make quick judgments about us or our members. Learn to get to know us a bit before you decide we're rude, negative, etc. There are boards out there - and some that are no longer around - who thrive on that kind of adversity. We're not one of them.
If we've gotten off on the wrong foot, that can be repaired. But only if you keep characterizations and personalizations out of the equations.
Most of us are here because we love the Kings. Some of us (hey, tradepeja!
) cannot manage to get along very well at all but we find a way because of that common thread. Give it a chance.
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You misunderstand me. It's not the people that drop in every now and then or that make a membership and never come back, I was referring to forum regulars. Those that stick around here are different than those that don't. I would imagine that most Kings fans are not forum regulars so that makes the forum regulars a subset. The word "subset" is not a pejorative nor is it meant to be. It appears to me that you as well are going well out of your way to be offended.
I'm quite aware of how proud you are here. I never suggested I wasn't new here, but I will suggest that you cannot see the forest for the cyber trees at times.
Also your ability to make new forumites feel at home could use a little work.
I'm quite aware of how proud you are here. I never suggested I wasn't new here, but I will suggest that you cannot see the forest for the cyber trees at times.
Also your ability to make new forumites feel at home could use a little work.
And there's part of the problem. Instead of working to resolve your issues, whatever they may be, with some of the members, you're immediately starting with insults, etc. That's not going to bode well. And you're not that old.
Just take a deep breath, step back a bit and relax. Don't make quick judgments about us or our members. Learn to get to know us a bit before you decide we're rude, negative, etc. There are boards out there - and some that are no longer around - who thrive on that kind of adversity. We're not one of them.
If we've gotten off on the wrong foot, that can be repaired. But only if you keep characterizations and personalizations out of the equations.
Most of us are here because we love the Kings. Some of us (hey, tradepeja! ) cannot manage to get along very well at all but we find a way because of that common thread. Give it a chance.
Just take a deep breath, step back a bit and relax. Don't make quick judgments about us or our members. Learn to get to know us a bit before you decide we're rude, negative, etc. There are boards out there - and some that are no longer around - who thrive on that kind of adversity. We're not one of them.
If we've gotten off on the wrong foot, that can be repaired. But only if you keep characterizations and personalizations out of the equations.
Most of us are here because we love the Kings. Some of us (hey, tradepeja!
) cannot manage to get along very well at all but we find a way because of that common thread. Give it a chance.
And we did...and it was good.
For those keeping score, the battle is over. We can now resume our reguarly scheduled discussion.
Welcome again to KF, Sparky6string. I think you'll have to agree with one thing - you're not gonna be bored around here.
GO KINGS!!!
For those keeping score, the battle is over. We can now resume our reguarly scheduled discussion.
Welcome again to KF, Sparky6string. I think you'll have to agree with one thing - you're not gonna be bored around here.
GO KINGS!!!
Thanks for the welcome, I apologize for my part in any earlier problems and I optimistically look toward the future here at KF.
I personally know VF is the voice of reason, and trust me Sparky she means no ill will. I just really think that this thing snowballed a bit. i do think Slim was a bit harsh, there was stuff that was misunderstood and there will always be two sides to an argument. Personally, Sparky seems to be a decent guy that cares about the kings and just got into an argument. I don't think we should penalize him just because he's new. If he had 2000 posts or was known better around here maybe it would be easier? sorry... playing devil's advocate until Slim beats me with a
Slim...
...is... is that you...
*Door Creaks - creepy girl voice - "Mister... will you play with me..."
Slim... don't do it..
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
***Fin***
Scorsese ain't got nothing on me.
Jennings though... lightning in a bottle that guy. Considering the Bucks have just handed him the ball and said "'Ave at it!" I find it hard that Tyreke will pass him. Guy just does too much for that team, and 55pts looks sexy no matter who does it. Except maybe Chris Kaman because that is one ugly man.
Slim...
...is... is that you...
*Door Creaks - creepy girl voice - "Mister... will you play with me..."
Slim... don't do it..
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
***Fin***
Scorsese ain't got nothing on me.
Jennings though... lightning in a bottle that guy. Considering the Bucks have just handed him the ball and said "'Ave at it!" I find it hard that Tyreke will pass him. Guy just does too much for that team, and 55pts looks sexy no matter who does it. Except maybe Chris Kaman because that is one ugly man.
He's a rookie to the NBA. This kind of thing is going to happen, just like it will happen to Evans. Hey, it even happens to veterans. Nobody is perfect out there. That's why discussing any award this early in the season just makes no sense to me. The point is, we've got a guy who is going to keep us excited during the chase for ROY. Personally, I love that.
And, my last word to Sparky on the subject: Yeah, I got my back up because it sounded like we were being told that we didn't know what we were talking about, and that we were not a good representation of Kings fans. I think that is far from the truth. I think you will have a positive contribution to this forum, and that is the bottom line.
Welcome to KingsFans.com. Sorry, I jumped into the foray. We're good!!
