Geoff Petrie
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how was Pedja for Artest a bad trade. Pedja lasted half a season with the Pacers and signed a horrible contract with New Orleans. We ad Artest for 2 years and got Donte, Bobby and Casspi I might add is rated 8 th in this draft so far.
webber/thomas... was a terrible trade I admit.
bibby/sheldon a trade for capspace and start the rebuild.
miller/nocioni see above
doug/mobley are you kidding Doug was done by the time we traded him for Mobley which while he was here was the better player after what Doug turned out to be after the trade.
dickau/future pick... trade was made for cap space against the luxury cap.
So other then the Webber trade which ones were horrible. You got anything else in reguards to his trades.
webber/thomas... was a terrible trade I admit.
bibby/sheldon a trade for capspace and start the rebuild.
miller/nocioni see above
doug/mobley are you kidding Doug was done by the time we traded him for Mobley which while he was here was the better player after what Doug turned out to be after the trade.
dickau/future pick... trade was made for cap space against the luxury cap.
So other then the Webber trade which ones were horrible. You got anything else in reguards to his trades.
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how is the miller nocioni trade help us with capspace when miller is a 11 million dollar expiring contract and nocioni is signed for the next 4 years? bad trade...
the mobley trade sucked... and it cost martina chance to play in the playoffs against the sonics his rookie season... mobley was a waste of time, he bolted for the clippers and then petrie traded for bonzi. if bonzi hadnt gotten injured martin wouldve wasted his 2nd season on the bench as well... how as that good? if doug was finished, petrie should have had adelman bench him just like they did thomas last season to give thompson minutes. bad trade...
the bibby trade was dumb and you cant say it was for capspace because we ended up giving beno a 5 year deal, trading for nocioni and his 5 yr deal and giving garcia an extension. bad trade, having beno is bad enough to warrant saying that it was a bad trade.
peja for artest was a bad trade... peja was an expiring contract, we didnt need to keep him. artest is a damn good player but he is a nut and was a waste of space short of trading him to houston for donte and the pick that became omri... he added nothing to this team, right player wrong team... bad trade...
how was the dickau trade for cap relief when petrie gave bibby a max contract that next offseason? thats like saying that the webber/thomas trade was for movable pieces....
the mobley trade sucked... and it cost martina chance to play in the playoffs against the sonics his rookie season... mobley was a waste of time, he bolted for the clippers and then petrie traded for bonzi. if bonzi hadnt gotten injured martin wouldve wasted his 2nd season on the bench as well... how as that good? if doug was finished, petrie should have had adelman bench him just like they did thomas last season to give thompson minutes. bad trade...
the bibby trade was dumb and you cant say it was for capspace because we ended up giving beno a 5 year deal, trading for nocioni and his 5 yr deal and giving garcia an extension. bad trade, having beno is bad enough to warrant saying that it was a bad trade.
peja for artest was a bad trade... peja was an expiring contract, we didnt need to keep him. artest is a damn good player but he is a nut and was a waste of space short of trading him to houston for donte and the pick that became omri... he added nothing to this team, right player wrong team... bad trade...
how was the dickau trade for cap relief when petrie gave bibby a max contract that next offseason? thats like saying that the webber/thomas trade was for movable pieces....
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what? does a fan have to like every move that their team makes? the kings pretty much suck right now but that doesnt mean i dont cheer my *** off every game that i watch.
petrie is the reason why im a kings fan, he drafted jwill, traded for webber and signed divac... he had me for life the minute that the 98 season started. he did it once but maybe its only supposed to happen once. maybe its time to fully rebuild from the ground up, not just with the roster and rotating door of coaches...
ive been saying that this team lacks an identity but ive noticed something this season... they do, its petrie... we have soft players because we have a soft gm... we wont be contenders because he is no longer a contender... just because the team hasnt made a move that i have liked recently doesnt mean that i dont like the team. if he makes one that i like, you will be the first to know... if you read that post first.
petrie is the reason why im a kings fan, he drafted jwill, traded for webber and signed divac... he had me for life the minute that the 98 season started. he did it once but maybe its only supposed to happen once. maybe its time to fully rebuild from the ground up, not just with the roster and rotating door of coaches...
ive been saying that this team lacks an identity but ive noticed something this season... they do, its petrie... we have soft players because we have a soft gm... we wont be contenders because he is no longer a contender... just because the team hasnt made a move that i have liked recently doesnt mean that i dont like the team. if he makes one that i like, you will be the first to know... if you read that post first.
Are you serious. Are you intentionally missleading people with your post or are you truely not aware of the facts you post? No offense I am just asking because I truely do not know. That trade was for cap space this coming season and next. We also got Noc who is not a soft player who you always critize Petrie for getting.
The mobley deal was a salary dump of Doug and we got a ultity player in return with mobley. Ask the Magic fans who won the trade.
Trade needed to get done inorder for rebuild to start. The trade did its job and that was to get rid off what did not work and rebuild from the bottom up.
Again how was that a bad trade? If it was not for Artest we would not make the playoffs also we got a pick (omri) and Donte and no matter how you spin it. It was not a horrible trade it was a great trade.
atleast get your facts straight and you only looking more and more misinformed. Bibby signed a contract in 2002.
The mobley deal was a salary dump of Doug and we got a ultity player in return with mobley. Ask the Magic fans who won the trade.
Trade needed to get done inorder for rebuild to start. The trade did its job and that was to get rid off what did not work and rebuild from the bottom up.
Again how was that a bad trade? If it was not for Artest we would not make the playoffs also we got a pick (omri) and Donte and no matter how you spin it. It was not a horrible trade it was a great trade.
atleast get your facts straight and you only looking more and more misinformed. Bibby signed a contract in 2002.
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Nice job, AleksandarN, but I'mafraid he'll probably still try and refute your comments. I'm glad you and bajaden and Kingsguy881 still have the patience to try and point out the holes in AriesMar27's "logic"...I've given up. Much like with War Games, I've realized that sometimes the only way to win is not to play.
This is actually not correct and is a common misconception by several on this board. The deadline trades last year absolutely hurt our cap space situation for this summer. We were set to have room for a max salary + this summer with Brad and Salmons ETO (which he will likely exercise) coming off the books. Now we have Noc on the books and are much more limited in what we can offer.
The other reasons for that trade are debatable, but from a 2010 cap viewpoint, it was a bad thing.
The other reasons for that trade are debatable, but from a 2010 cap viewpoint, it was a bad thing.
That's what I think, too. And thank god he could talk the Maloofs out of Whisnant.
But I think Muss was a compromise he made to avoid that. I'm pretty sure GP preferred Brian Shaw at that point, who had also been interviewed. The Mallofs just gushed about Musselman's thick notebook and power point presentation.
But I think Muss was a compromise he made to avoid that. I'm pretty sure GP preferred Brian Shaw at that point, who had also been interviewed. The Mallofs just gushed about Musselman's thick notebook and power point presentation.
Nice job, AleksandarN, but I'mafraid he'll probably still try and refute your comments. I'm glad you and bajaden and Kingsguy881 still have the patience to try and point out the holes in AriesMar27's "logic"...I've given up. Much like with War Games, I've realized that sometimes the only way to win is not to play.
I respect his tenure. But I'll never engage in a disscussion on Petrie with him again. On that subject he's lost a credibility with me.
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Nice job, AleksandarN, but I'mafraid he'll probably still try and refute your comments. I'm glad you and bajaden and Kingsguy881 still have the patience to try and point out the holes in AriesMar27's "logic"...I've given up. Much like with War Games, I've realized that sometimes the only way to win is not to play.
I don't completely agree with you on this one. I really doubt that Salmons is going to exercise his ETO. He's guaranteed slightly under 6 mil. In an offseason where half the players in the NBA are going to be freeagents, and with the cap coming down. Which will eliminate a lot of the buyers. I believe that its going to be a buyers market, with more sellers than buyers. Especially when the teams with the big bucks to spend are going to go after the Wade's of the world.
That having been said, If true, Salmons would still be on the books here for at least one more year. The disparity between his contract and Noc's, other than length, is around 700 thousand. So it then comes down to who would be the better fit. Nocioni or Salmons. Personally, I would rather have neither. But if I have to choose, it would be Nocioni. He effective either starting or coming off the bench. And on a team, that at the moment lacks size, his ability to play some PF is valuable.
Its true that Noc's contract is longer. But if he's moved in the next year or so, then its a moot point.
That having been said, If true, Salmons would still be on the books here for at least one more year. The disparity between his contract and Noc's, other than length, is around 700 thousand. So it then comes down to who would be the better fit. Nocioni or Salmons. Personally, I would rather have neither. But if I have to choose, it would be Nocioni. He effective either starting or coming off the bench. And on a team, that at the moment lacks size, his ability to play some PF is valuable.
Its true that Noc's contract is longer. But if he's moved in the next year or so, then its a moot point.
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and i thought that i was the only one that noticed that... same thing goes for the bibby trade, we signed beno to a 5 year deal when bibby wouldve been a 12 million expiring. we added beno which cut that amount in half. just like how miller would be a 11 million expiring contract this season but now that we have nocioni and his 7 million dollar contract means that we only have 4 million out of the 11 that we would have this off season with miller just expiring... instead of having thomas with his 8 million and miller with his 11 million, we now have thomas and the remaining difference from the bibby and miller trades. had we let all of them expire we would have 30 million off the books not including any draft picks or freeagent signings.
aleksandarn, i was wrong about dickau... i forgot that he was drafted in 2000... my bad... but i still dont see how that was for cap relief when we traded for bibby who made way more than jwill because he was the number 2 pick. and then we gave him a max contract the next offseason... if we did save any money it wasnt for very long.
you cant blame the maloofs for petrie not having the balls to tell them that mussellman and theus were bad picks for coahes... personnel is his job, not theirs... thats a horrible excuse for his short commings...
aleksandarn, i was wrong about dickau... i forgot that he was drafted in 2000... my bad... but i still dont see how that was for cap relief when we traded for bibby who made way more than jwill because he was the number 2 pick. and then we gave him a max contract the next offseason... if we did save any money it wasnt for very long.
you cant blame the maloofs for petrie not having the balls to tell them that mussellman and theus were bad picks for coahes... personnel is his job, not theirs... thats a horrible excuse for his short commings...
Thing is the full MLE would be a nice raise and 5 year extension for Salmons. Since every team has that available it's hard to imagine him not AT LEAST getting 1 MLE offer given his production. Barring injury of course. Time will tell...
In any case, reports were that we had an offer for an expiring + late first for Salmons last year from OKC. I tend to believe that because after Salmons was traded they did the same deal with Chicago for Sefolosha. Salmons is much more proven as well. IMO, that was the deal to take. Brad comes off the bench and is a 12M expiring contract this summer
In any case, reports were that we had an offer for an expiring + late first for Salmons last year from OKC. I tend to believe that because after Salmons was traded they did the same deal with Chicago for Sefolosha. Salmons is much more proven as well. IMO, that was the deal to take. Brad comes off the bench and is a 12M expiring contract this summer
Let's not pretend this is like your job or my job. Does anybody really think that Petrie needs that job so much, that he's hurting for money to the point where he has to swallow his pride to keep his job? It's not as if Petrie is so uncouth that he would actually go into the Maloof's offices and literally call them imbeciles. Surely a Princeton grad could word that in such a way as to get his point across without sounding like an *******.
If Petrie is half the GM that Kings Fans think he is, he could quit/get fired tonight, and be hired tomorrow. I can't imagine that Petrie, with his cache, would hold his spot higher than his integrity. If he thought those were bad decisions, and if he (to borrow a phrase) has any onions, he should have said something.
If Petrie is half the GM that Kings Fans think he is, he could quit/get fired tonight, and be hired tomorrow. I can't imagine that Petrie, with his cache, would hold his spot higher than his integrity. If he thought those were bad decisions, and if he (to borrow a phrase) has any onions, he should have said something.
Not sure if I am right on this, but I think apart from Noc, all others were expiring. This may not give us much cap space this year, but it reduces salaries for a team losing money. Might not be important to fans, but is important to owners.
As for Noc, heard of some talk about Boston wanting him, and offering an expiring + change for him. I still believe that if the offer was actually there, we should have taken it. In retrospect (as the signing of Evans, but more particularly, Casspi and Brockman shows), this was probably part of an effort to provide the team with more toughness.
As for Noc, heard of some talk about Boston wanting him, and offering an expiring + change for him. I still believe that if the offer was actually there, we should have taken it. In retrospect (as the signing of Evans, but more particularly, Casspi and Brockman shows), this was probably part of an effort to provide the team with more toughness.
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but the trade for nocioni happened before we knew where we would be drafting... and salmons contract is up in 2011, its 2 years shorter than nocioni's... even if goodens contract was an expiring at the time, millers is up this season.
i cant see how trading bibby, miller and salmons but adding beno, nocioni and garcia's extension is a good thing. we were better off keeping them and letting them expire. in what parallel universe is having beno for 5 years, nocioni for 4 and garcia for 5 more better than having the massive capspace of bibby, miller and thomas' expiring contracts.
petrie thought that we needed a pg so he signed beno, only to draft a pg(evans) and trade for another(sergio). he traded salmons which wouldve freed up minutes for greene but decided to add nocioni, extend garcia and draft casspi.
would we really be that worse of a team without beno and nocioni? garcia is cool... but we could still be 4-4 without them.
i cant see how trading bibby, miller and salmons but adding beno, nocioni and garcia's extension is a good thing. we were better off keeping them and letting them expire. in what parallel universe is having beno for 5 years, nocioni for 4 and garcia for 5 more better than having the massive capspace of bibby, miller and thomas' expiring contracts.
petrie thought that we needed a pg so he signed beno, only to draft a pg(evans) and trade for another(sergio). he traded salmons which wouldve freed up minutes for greene but decided to add nocioni, extend garcia and draft casspi.
would we really be that worse of a team without beno and nocioni? garcia is cool... but we could still be 4-4 without them.
In that case you can't justify that the Bibby trade was a bad one. You are right to say that he didn't make a good move IN resigning Beno to such a big contract. But I think it's flawed to connect the Bibby trade to resigning Beno. In fact most of the trades then, are actually decent.
I do agree with you that his signings have been questionable and to a large extent have nullified any benefits of his trades. However I think you can't go as far as to say that the trades themselves were detrimental or bad.
I do agree with you that his signings have been questionable and to a large extent have nullified any benefits of his trades. However I think you can't go as far as to say that the trades themselves were detrimental or bad.
Ok my bad we save money this year I think around 12 million. That 12 million I thinks makes a difference in the Maloofs pocket book given the current economy and amount of money the Kings lost last season. This is the major reason we are rebuilding now. Also I highly doubt John will exercise his option.
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This much is obvious: Petrie wanted Nocioni. GP didn't want to send Salmons to Chicago. There was supposedly a deal involving Salmons with a team that is not the Bulls. GP was going to send Miki Moore and Miller to Chi-town but the Bulls said send us Salmons too or no deal. So GP send Salmons to Chicago instead. He just wants Noc that badly.
Boston came to GP with expiring contracts for Noc and GP turned them down. He wants Noc on the team. Now the DUI incident may have changed GP's mind a bit but Noc has played his best ball since. That's why I think we may see Noc sticking around with the Kings past the trade deadline.
Boston came to GP with expiring contracts for Noc and GP turned them down. He wants Noc on the team. Now the DUI incident may have changed GP's mind a bit but Noc has played his best ball since. That's why I think we may see Noc sticking around with the Kings past the trade deadline.