Geoff Petrie

[Kingsguy881]

so you agree with me? he cant or doesnt draft elite talent... joking of course, we wont know how ordinary evans will be until geoff trades him for a useless vet with a long contract.

but did you mean this post...



you really didnt say anything worth commenting on to be perfectly honest. just that petrie passed on nash, dirk, pierce, arenas, parker, redd and manu... thats 7 all-stars that were passed up because petrie thought that peja, jwill, hedo and wallace were better players.... thats just going up to the 2001 draft... damn... i didnt even mention lewis thats 8 all-stars.. 3 in the 98 draft alone.

Ok then, how many GM's can draft 16th and pick the best player in the draft?

 

[AriesMar27]

Why do you think R.C. Buford is such a great drafter? His first round picks are Beno Udrih, Ian Mahinmi, Tiago Splitter, and George Hill. That's it. And outside of DeJuan Blair, who was projected as high as #10 and fell to #37 due to knee issues (and we don't know how that will pan out) his most notable second round picks are either Malik Hairston or Marcus Williams (the not-as-good one out of Arizona).

Dude hasn't done much in his 7 years at the helm.

i dont think that he is a great drafter but he hasnt made any moves that has hurt the spurs. he's one of those, the best moves are the ones you dont make kinda people.

 

[Kingsguy881]

i dont think that he is a great drafter but he hasnt made any moves that has hurt the spurs. he's one of those, the best moves are the ones you dont make kinda people.

OHHHHH, that makes him GREAT!!! He does nothing, which makes him one of the top 3 GM's around. Geez, if I do nothing or next to nothing at my job.....

 

[AriesMar27]

OHHHHH, that makes him GREAT!!! He does nothing, which makes him one of the top 3 GM's around. Geez, if I do nothing or next to nothing at my job.....

overall... yes... how many championships have the spurs won since he became gm? three... yeah, he is top three... only the lakers have won more rings since buford became gm. the ring is the only thing that matters, being likable is nice but the win is what these guys are working towards. he has the rings, petrie has tenure... id rather have the rings.

 

[Kingsguy881]

overall... yes... how many championships have the spurs won since he became gm? three... yeah, he is top three... only the lakers have won more rings since buford became gm. the ring is the only thing that matters, being likable is nice but the win is what these guys are working towards. he has the rings, petrie has tenure... id rather have the rings.

Dude, he has rings because Tim Duncan fell into their laps!!! The Spurs were winning rings before he came along. Thats like saying that Michael Finley is better than Dominique Wilkins because Finley went to the Spurs and won a ring and 'Nique never did. Your reasoning is uber-flawed homie.

 

[AriesMar27]

Dude, he has rings because Tim Duncan fell into their laps!!! The Spurs were winning rings before he came along. Thats like saying that Michael Finley is better than Dominique Wilkins because Finley went to the Spurs and won a ring and 'Nique never did. Your reasoning is uber-flawed homie.

they won one ring during the lockout season in 99... he's been able to do the one thing that petrie could never do, well... 2 if you count the rings... he's been able to keep the spurs in the hunt for a ring after robinson called it quits. he found players that could not only play with duncan but that complimented tim's game. the spurs have grown and evolved with tim duncan. adding jefferson is a good example of that, bowen was done so they found someone who could pick up the slack and add another dimension to the spurs offense. bowen was strictly a corner three scorer, jefferson can attack the basket and is the most athletic player on the team. did you watch last nights game against the mavs? parker and duncan were out with injuries and jefferson took over. when bowen was on the team that was almost a guaranteed loss....

he has brought in tons of veteran players to help his team win, finley, horry, rasho, nazr... but once their usefulness is done they are gone. not only that but the spurs dont spend excessive amounts of cash on sub-par players like mikki moore, rahim, beno... he always finds a way to split the mle... unlike our gm who just loves to give crappy players big contracts...

oh and he wins championships.... do you see this team winning the big one anytime soon?

 

[Capt. Factorial]

they won one ring during the lockout season in 99... he's been able to do the one thing that petrie could never do, well... 2 if you count the rings... he's been able to keep the spurs in the hunt for a ring after robinson called it quits. he found players that could not only play with duncan but that complimented tim's game. the spurs have grown and evolved with tim duncan. adding jefferson is a good example of that, bowen was done so they found someone who could pick up the slack and add another dimension to the spurs offense. bowen was strictly a corner three scorer, jefferson can attack the basket and is the most athletic player on the team. did you watch last nights game against the mavs? parker and duncan were out with injuries and jefferson took over. when bowen was on the team that was almost a guaranteed loss....

he has brought in tons of veteran players to help his team win, finley, horry, rasho, nazr... but once their usefulness is done they are gone. not only that but the spurs dont spend excessive amounts of cash on sub-par players like mikki moore, rahim, beno... he always finds a way to split the mle... unlike our gm who just loves to give crappy players big contracts...

oh and he wins championships.... do you see this team winning the big one anytime soon?

None of that - I repeat, none of that - has been done via R.C. Buford's drafting. You specifically said that Buford was one of the top three drafters in the game. In fact, he was the only guy you mentioned which would suggest you think he's the top drafter in the game. After it was pointed out that his draft record is practically non-existent, you start dropping non-draft arguments for why he's a good drafter? Or did you just forget which position it is that you're arguing?

 

[gunks]

Its funny how it always is a discussion of drafting when it comes to the quality of Petrie's GMing.

Isiah Thomas is brilliant at finding talent in the draft. Just saying.


Petrie hasnt exactly wowed me with a trade or FA signing in years. In fact most of his trades and player signings have been duds. Big stinky smelly duds.


We should just make our head scout GM, since apparently he's the guy that makes a lot of the draft day calls anyways.

 

[Kingsguy881]

they won one ring during the lockout season in 99... he's been able to do the one thing that petrie could never do, well... 2 if you count the rings... he's been able to keep the spurs in the hunt for a ring after robinson called it quits. he found players that could not only play with duncan but that complimented tim's game. the spurs have grown and evolved with tim duncan. adding jefferson is a good example of that, bowen was done so they found someone who could pick up the slack and add another dimension to the spurs offense. bowen was strictly a corner three scorer, jefferson can attack the basket and is the most athletic player on the team. did you watch last nights game against the mavs? parker and duncan were out with injuries and jefferson took over. when bowen was on the team that was almost a guaranteed loss....

he has brought in tons of veteran players to help his team win, finley, horry, rasho, nazr... but once their usefulness is done they are gone. not only that but the spurs dont spend excessive amounts of cash on sub-par players like mikki moore, rahim, beno... he always finds a way to split the mle... unlike our gm who just loves to give crappy players big contracts...

oh and he wins championships.... do you see this team winning the big one anytime soon?

And you would be kissing the ground Petrie walks on if, like Timmy, Webber would have remained healthy and not had a career ending injury such as he had. Our luck is horrible when it comes to health, and it has to be because Arco is built on an old Indian burial ground or something.

But the bottom line is you are arguing now for the sake of arguing, your posts are scattered and you are no longer arguing the same point, ie drafting and how much Petrie sucks at it and how great RC is at it (even though the track record suggests Petrie is much better at drafting than ol' boy Buford).

 

[Kingsguy881]

Its funny how it always is a discussion of drafting when it comes to the quality of Petrie's GMing.

Isiah Thomas is brilliant at finding talent in the draft. Just saying.


Petrie hasnt exactly wowed me with a trade or FA signing in years. In fact most of his trades and player signings have been duds. Big stinky smelly duds.


We should just make our head scout GM, since apparently he's the guy that makes a lot of the draft day calls anyways.

No reason to make that point because Thomas sank a franchise whereas Petrie hasn't.

 

[gunks]

Wasnt trying to strawman.

I'm just saying you can be a great drafter and still be a crap GM (Thomas) or a mediocre GM (Petrie).

There is more to GMing than the draft.

 

[AriesMar27]

None of that - I repeat, none of that - has been done via R.C. Buford's drafting. You specifically said that Buford was one of the top three drafters in the game. In fact, he was the only guy you mentioned which would suggest you think he's the top drafter in the game. After it was pointed out that his draft record is practically non-existent, you start dropping non-draft arguments for why he's a good drafter? Or did you just forget which position it is that you're arguing?

thats true... but my original question to aleksandarn was where does he rank our gm as a gm and he said the petrie was top 3 at drafting, i would assume that he puts petrie pretty high as a gm if not top 3 overall because he doesnt think of him as average. which had us up arguing all night. the only other gms that he could possibly view as better would be buford and kupcake... this is a kings board so i didnt expect him to give props to the lakers so i threw out bufords name.

not in terms of drafting just as a gm. thats like saying that martin is a top 3 scorer but we all know that he isnt a top three player. he dodged the question so i brought the topic back to my original question to him. ive had the draft argument with him and the poster formerly known as kingsgurl881, now kingsguy881... that and i was tired of talking about how great pritchard is at drafting... thats just part of the job. but like petrie, bufords generic draft picks havent hurt his team. unlike petrie he has managed to win a ring or two, or three...

 

[AriesMar27]

No reason to make that point because Thomas sank a franchise whereas Petrie hasn't.

ugh... we won 17 games last season... just because petrie still has his job doesnt mean that he is good at it...

thats should be my new sig since me and you arent attacking each other in every thread....

 

[Kingsguy881]

ugh... we won 17 games last season... just because petrie still has his job doesnt mean that he is good at it...

thats should be my new sig since me and you arent attacking each other in every thread....

I don't even WANT to attack you, or anybody. I can't wait for the day where, like in Major League 2, Randy Quaid's character, you come triumphantly down the bleacher steps finally happy and believing again.

 

[Telemachus]

they won one ring during the lockout season in 99... he's been able to do the one thing that petrie could never do, well... 2 if you count the rings... he's been able to keep the spurs in the hunt for a ring after robinson called it quits. he found players that could not only play with duncan but that complimented tim's game. the spurs have grown and evolved with tim duncan. adding jefferson is a good example of that, bowen was done so they found someone who could pick up the slack and add another dimension to the spurs offense. bowen was strictly a corner three scorer, jefferson can attack the basket and is the most athletic player on the team. did you watch last nights game against the mavs? parker and duncan were out with injuries and jefferson took over. when bowen was on the team that was almost a guaranteed loss....

he has brought in tons of veteran players to help his team win, finley, horry, rasho, nazr... but once their usefulness is done they are gone. not only that but the spurs dont spend excessive amounts of cash on sub-par players like mikki moore, rahim, beno... he always finds a way to split the mle... unlike our gm who just loves to give crappy players big contracts...

oh and he wins championships.... do you see this team winning the big one anytime soon?

We will find out how good of a GM Buford is when Duncan stops playing for the Spurs. Keeping a team in a winning position when they have a Superstar is always easier than trying to get them back to that position after the Superstar is gone. Do you think the Kings would be in the position they have been the past few seasons if Webber hadn't blown out his knees?

If you don't believe me, just look at how well Chicago has done since MJ left. Or look at NY since Ewing left. Replacing Superstars (or finding them in the first place if your in a small market) has never been an easy thing for a team to do.

 

[AriesMar27]

We will find out how good of a GM Buford is when Duncan stops playing for the Spurs. Keeping a team in a winning position when they have a Superstar is always easier than trying to get them back to that position after the Superstar is gone. Do you think the Kings would be in the position they have been the past few seasons if Webber hadn't blown out his knees?

If you don't believe me, just look at how well Chicago has done since MJ left. Or look at NY since Ewing left. Replacing Superstars (or finding them in the first place if your in a small market) has never been an easy thing for a team to do.

we saw how good of a gm petrie was once webber went down...

oh definitely... it will be a test for buford, but i honestly think that he will do it. they wont get another duncan but they will figure out how to keep that team going. duncan is a humble guy, he will do what he thinks is best for himself AND the spurs... he took a pay cut last time so that the team could sign more players, his last contract will probably be small... he just wants to win, thats what makes him so great. he will accept his role and play it to the best of his abilities.

the bulls lost mj and phil... thats what hurt them. if phil had stayed they probably wouldve been in better shape.

 

[Kingsguy881]

We will find out how good of a GM Buford is when Duncan stops playing for the Spurs. Keeping a team in a winning position when they have a Superstar is always easier than trying to get them back to that position after the Superstar is gone. Do you think the Kings would be in the position they have been the past few seasons if Webber hadn't blown out his knees?

If you don't believe me, just look at how well Chicago has done since MJ left. Or look at NY since Ewing left. Replacing Superstars (or finding them in the first place if your in a small market) has never been an easy thing for a team to do.

You lie!

Finding a superstar is like finding a penny. Any old fool can do it. The problem is Petrie is not any old fool, he is an idiot! And there are literally THOUSANDS of others who could do a much better job than him

 

[AleksandarN]

thats true... but my original question to aleksandarn was where does he rank our gm as a gm and he said the petrie was top 3 at drafting, i would assume that he puts petrie pretty high as a gm if not top 3 overall because he doesnt think of him as average. which had us up arguing all night. the only other gms that he could possibly view as better would be buford and kupcake... this is a kings board so i didnt expect him to give props to the lakers so i threw out bufords name.

not in terms of drafting just as a gm. thats like saying that martin is a top 3 scorer but we all know that he isnt a top three player. he dodged the question so i brought the topic back to my original question to him. ive had the draft argument with him and the poster formerly known as kingsgurl881, now kingsguy881... that and i was tired of talking about how great pritchard is at drafting... thats just part of the job. but like petrie, bufords generic draft picks havent hurt his team. unlike petrie he has managed to win a ring or two, or three...

What are you talking about? My argument with you has always been about Geoff ability to draft talent. You are the one who tried to shift the argument when you could not justified your statement about how he is average when it comes to the draft

 

[AriesMar27]

What are you talking about? My argument with you has always been about Geoff ability to draft talent. You are the one who tried to shift the argument when you could not justified your statement about how he is average when it comes to the draft

i know that and thats why i asked my question about how you rank geoff as a gm... it isnt just about drafting... though he only seems to draft borderline all-stars... the only one that he did draft for the kings was peja...

the nba is full of talented players, its the nba and at least 90% of them were drafted by someone... it doesnt take a genius to draft a "talented" player in the nba someone does it every year....

he makes horrible trades... thats part of the gms job. he makes horrible free agent signings, thats also part of his job. he sucks at 2/3 of his responsibilities as gm.

 

[AleksandarN]

i know that and thats why i asked my question about how you rank geoff as a gm... it isnt just about drafting... though he only seems to draft borderline all-stars... the only one that he did draft for the kings was peja...

the nba is full of talented players, its the nba and at least 90% of them were drafted by someone... it doesnt take a genius to draft a "talented" player in the nba someone does it every year....

he makes horrible trades... thats part of the gms job. he makes horrible free agent signings, thats also part of his job. he sucks at 2/3 of his responsibilities as gm.

come up with 5 better GMs at drafting talent then if you think everyone drafts talented players every year and give example of each and where they drafted from comparable to Petrie.

 

[AleksandarN]

Ok lets now look at Petrie's trades since becoming a King

September 18 1995
Traded center Frank Brickowski to the Seattle SuperSonics for guard Sarunas Marciulionis and forward Byron Houston.
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June 16 1996
Traded guard Sarunas Marciulionis and a second round pick, the 37th overall, in the 1996 draft to the Denver Nuggets for guard Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf.

August 12 1997
Traded center Duane Causwell to the Miami Heat for forward Gary Grant and center Matt Fish

February 18 1998
Traded guard Bobby Hurley and forward Michael Smith to the Vancouver Grizzlies for forward Otis Thorpe and guard Chris Robinson.

May 14 1998
Traded guard Mitch Richmond and forward Otis Thorpe to the Washington Wizards for forward Chris Webber

August 3 1999
Traded guard Tariq Abdul-Wahad to the Orlando Magic for guard Nick Anderson

September 29 2000
Traded forward Corliss Williamson to the Toronto Raptors for guard Doug Christie

June 27 2001
Traded guards Jason Williams and Brent Price to the Memphis Grizzlies for guards Mike Bibby and Nick Anderson

September 7 2001
Traded guard Jon Barry to the Detroit Pistons for guard Mateen Cleaves

Draft 2002
Selected guard Dan Dickau (28th overall pick) and forward Corsley Edwards (58th overall pick).
Traded the rights to guard Dan Dickau to the Atlanta Hawks for a future first-round draft pick.

June 23 2003
Traded second-round draft picks in 2003 and 2005 for the draft rights to forward Darius Songaila

July 24 2003
Traded center Scot Pollard to the Indiana Pacers and forward Hidayet Turkoglu to the San Antonio Spurs for center Brad Miller from the Indiana Pacers.
August 5 2003
Traded forward Keon Clark and two future second-round picks to the Utah Jazz in for a future second-round draft pick.

January 10 2005
Traded guard Doug Christie to the Orlando Magic for guard Cuttino Mobley and forward Michael Bradley

February 23 2005
Traded forwards Chris Webber, Michael Bradley and Matt Barnes to the Philadelphia 76ers for forwards Kenny Thomas, Corsliss Williamson and Brian Skinner.

August 2 2005
Traded guard Bobby Jackson and center Greg Ostertag to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard Bonzi Wells; traded a future second-round pick to the Charlotte Bobcats for guard Jason Hart

February 23 2006
Traded forward Brian Skinner to the Portland Trail Blazers for forward Sergey Monya from the Portland Trail Blazers and center Vitaly Potapenko from the Seattle SuperSonics.

January 25 2006
Traded forward Predrag Stojakovic to the Indiana Pacers for forward Ron Artest.

February 16 2008
Traded guard Mike Bibby to Atlanta for guards Anthony Johnson and Tyronn Lue, centers Shelden Williams and Lorenzen Wright and a second-round pick;

August 14 2008
Traded guard Sean Singletary and forwards Ron Artest and Patrick Ewing Jr to the Houston Rockets for guard Bobby Jackson, forward Donte Greene, a future first-round pick and other considerations

February 18 2009
Traded guard John Salmons and center Brad Miller to the Chicago Bulls for forwards Drew Gooden, Andres Nocioni, Cedric Simmons and Michael Ruffin; traded forward Michael Ruffin to the Portland Trail Blazers for forward Ike Diogu;

February 19 2009
Traded guard Bobby Brown and center Shelden Williams to the Minnesota Timberwolves for guard Rashad McCants and center Calvin Booth. Traded a protected 2014 second-round pick to the Boston Celtics for cash.
Draft 2009
Traded the draft rights to forward Jeff Pendergraph to the Portland Trail Blazers for guard Sergio Rodriguez, the draft rights to forward Jon Brockman and cash

 

[sdballer]

Ok lets now look at Petrie's trades since becoming a King

September 18 1995
Traded center Frank Brickowski to the Seattle SuperSonics for guard Sarunas Marciulionis and forward Byron Houston.
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June 16 1996
Traded guard Sarunas Marciulionis and a second round pick, the 37th overall, in the 1996 draft to the Denver Nuggets for guard Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf.

August 12 1997
Traded center Duane Causwell to the Miami Heat for forward Gary Grant and center Matt Fish

February 18 1998
Traded guard Bobby Hurley and forward Michael Smith to the Vancouver Grizzlies for forward Otis Thorpe and guard Chris Robinson.

May 14 1998
Traded guard Mitch Richmond and forward Otis Thorpe to the Washington Wizards for forward Chris Webber

August 3 1999
Traded guard Tariq Abdul-Wahad to the Orlando Magic for guard Nick Anderson

September 29 2000
Traded forward Corliss Williamson to the Toronto Raptors for guard Doug Christie

June 27 2001
Traded guards Jason Williams and Brent Price to the Memphis Grizzlies for guards Mike Bibby and Nick Anderson

September 7 2001
Traded guard Jon Barry to the Detroit Pistons for guard Mateen Cleaves

Draft 2002
Selected guard Dan Dickau (28th overall pick) and forward Corsley Edwards (58th overall pick).
Traded the rights to guard Dan Dickau to the Atlanta Hawks for a future first-round draft pick.

June 23 2003
Traded second-round draft picks in 2003 and 2005 for the draft rights to forward Darius Songaila

July 24 2003
Traded center Scot Pollard to the Indiana Pacers and forward Hidayet Turkoglu to the San Antonio Spurs for center Brad Miller from the Indiana Pacers.
August 5 2003
Traded forward Keon Clark and two future second-round picks to the Utah Jazz in for a future second-round draft pick.

January 10 2005
Traded guard Doug Christie to the Orlando Magic for guard Cuttino Mobley and forward Michael Bradley

February 23 2005
Traded forwards Chris Webber, Michael Bradley and Matt Barnes to the Philadelphia 76ers for forwards Kenny Thomas, Corsliss Williamson and Brian Skinner.

August 2 2005
Traded guard Bobby Jackson and center Greg Ostertag to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard Bonzi Wells; traded a future second-round pick to the Charlotte Bobcats for guard Jason Hart

February 23 2006
Traded forward Brian Skinner to the Portland Trail Blazers for forward Sergey Monya from the Portland Trail Blazers and center Vitaly Potapenko from the Seattle SuperSonics.

January 25 2006
Traded forward Predrag Stojakovic to the Indiana Pacers for forward Ron Artest.

February 16 2008
Traded guard Mike Bibby to Atlanta for guards Anthony Johnson and Tyronn Lue, centers Shelden Williams and Lorenzen Wright and a second-round pick;

August 14 2008
Traded guard Sean Singletary and forwards Ron Artest and Patrick Ewing Jr to the Houston Rockets for guard Bobby Jackson, forward Donte Greene, a future first-round pick and other considerations

February 18 2009
Traded guard John Salmons and center Brad Miller to the Chicago Bulls for forwards Drew Gooden, Andres Nocioni, Cedric Simmons and Michael Ruffin; traded forward Michael Ruffin to the Portland Trail Blazers for forward Ike Diogu;

February 19 2009
Traded guard Bobby Brown and center Shelden Williams to the Minnesota Timberwolves for guard Rashad McCants and center Calvin Booth. Traded a protected 2014 second-round pick to the Boston Celtics for cash.
Draft 2009
Traded the draft rights to forward Jeff Pendergraph to the Portland Trail Blazers for guard Sergio Rodriguez, the draft rights to forward Jon Brockman and cash

Are we also going to look at FA signings? I think its impossible to have a discussion unless you include all of a GM's moves and while I think Geoff is a great drafter (even if his picks have tended to be in the same mold and he treats 2nd rounders like a complete afterthought), his trades are ok (excellent in the early run and downright confusing lately) but his signings have been awful lately.

Its a case of a great basketball mind being dealt some untimely injuries then battling suddenly cost conscious owners. Was he a great GM? Yes. Is he now? Absolutely not. Can he rebuild? Maybe.

 

[Superman]

he hasnt drafted a single one yet... as kings gm he has drafted 1 all star, peja...

In fairness to Petrie, he spent several years drafting at the end of the first round. It's a bit harder to find All-Star talent when you're picking 25th or lower every year.

 

[Superman]

Are we also going to look at FA signings? I think its impossible to have a discussion unless you include all of a GM's moves and while I think Geoff is a great drafter (even if his picks have tended to be in the same mold and he treats 2nd rounders like a complete afterthought), his trades are ok (excellent in the early run and downright confusing lately) but his signings have been awful lately.

Its a case of a great basketball mind being dealt some untimely injuries then battling suddenly cost conscious owners. Was he a great GM? Yes. Is he now? Absolutely not. Can he rebuild? Maybe.

I'm gonna have to co-sign this post.

 

[AriesMar27]

Ok lets now look at Petrie's trades since becoming a King

September 18 1995 - useless trade #1.... am27
Traded center Frank Brickowski to the Seattle SuperSonics for guard Sarunas Marciulionis and forward Byron Houston.
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June 16 1996 - useless trade #2.... am27
Traded guard Sarunas Marciulionis and a second round pick, the 37th overall, in the 1996 draft to the Denver Nuggets for guard Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf.

August 12 1997 - useless trade #3... am27
Traded center Duane Causwell to the Miami Heat for forward Gary Grant and center Matt Fish

February 18 1998 - useless trade #4... am27
Traded guard Bobby Hurley and forward Michael Smith to the Vancouver Grizzlies for forward Otis Thorpe and guard Chris Robinson.

May 14 1998 - great trade #1... am27
Traded guard Mitch Richmond and forward Otis Thorpe to the Washington Wizards for forward Chris Webber

August 3 1999 - useless trade #5... am27
Traded guard Tariq Abdul-Wahad to the Orlando Magic for guard Nick Anderson

September 29 2000 - great trade #2... am27
Traded forward Corliss Williamson to the Toronto Raptors for guard Doug Christie

June 27 2001 - great trade #3... am27
Traded guards Jason Williams and Brent Price to the Memphis Grizzlies for guards Mike Bibby and Nick Anderson

September 7 2001 - horrible trade #1... mateen was/is useless am27
Traded guard Jon Barry to the Detroit Pistons for guard Mateen Cleaves

Draft 2002 - horrible trade #2... probably cost us boozer... am27
Selected guard Dan Dickau (28th overall pick) and forward Corsley Edwards (58th overall pick).
Traded the rights to guard Dan Dickau to the Atlanta Hawks for a future first-round draft pick.

June 23 2003 - decent trade... didnt lose anything in trading for darius... am27
Traded second-round draft picks in 2003 and 2005 for the draft rights to forward Darius Songaila

July 24 2003 - good trade... but thats only because we lost divac that next season... am27
Traded center Scot Pollard to the Indiana Pacers and forward Hidayet Turkoglu to the San Antonio Spurs for center Brad Miller from the Indiana Pacers.
August 5 2003 - useless trade #6... am27
Traded forward Keon Clark and two future second-round picks to the Utah Jazz in for a future second-round draft pick.

January 10 2005 - horrible trade #3... mobley was a rental and martin missed the playoffs. am27
Traded guard Doug Christie to the Orlando Magic for guard Cuttino Mobley and forward Michael Bradley

February 23 2005 - horrible trade #4... worst trade in team history... am27
Traded forwards Chris Webber, Michael Bradley and Matt Barnes to the Philadelphia 76ers for forwards Kenny Thomas, Corsliss Williamson and Brian Skinner.

August 2 2005 - decent trade... bonzi was a beast and martin became our star sg...
Traded guard Bobby Jackson and center Greg Ostertag to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard Bonzi Wells; traded a future second-round pick to the Charlotte Bobcats for guard Jason Hart

February 23 2006 - useless trade #7... am27
Traded forward Brian Skinner to the Portland Trail Blazers for forward Sergey Monya from the Portland Trail Blazers and center Vitaly Potapenko from the Seattle SuperSonics.

January 25 2006 - decent trade #8... for one season, a waste of capspace and a major headache the next... am27
Traded forward Predrag Stojakovic to the Indiana Pacers for forward Ron Artest.

February 16 2008 - horrible trade #5... now we have beno for the next 4 years... am27
Traded guard Mike Bibby to Atlanta for guards Anthony Johnson and Tyronn Lue, centers Shelden Williams and Lorenzen Wright and a second-round pick;

August 14 2008 - good trade... only because it fixed the problem that the original trade cdaused... am27
Traded guard Sean Singletary and forwards Ron Artest and Patrick Ewing Jr to the Houston Rockets for guard Bobby Jackson, forward Donte Greene, a future first-round pick and other considerations

February 18 2009 - horrible trade #6... 2nd worst trade in team history... am27
Traded guard John Salmons and center Brad Miller to the Chicago Bulls for forwards Drew Gooden, Andres Nocioni, Cedric Simmons and Michael Ruffin; traded forward Michael Ruffin to the Portland Trail Blazers for forward Ike Diogu;

February 19 2009 - useless trade #9... wasted a perfectly good 2014 2nd round pick...
Traded guard Bobby Brown and center Shelden Williams to the Minnesota Timberwolves for guard Rashad McCants and center Calvin Booth. Traded a protected 2014 second-round pick to the Boston Celtics for cash.
Draft 2009 - decent trade... would be a good trade if sergio got playing time... am27
Traded the draft rights to forward Jeff Pendergraph to the Portland Trail Blazers for guard Sergio Rodriguez, the draft rights to forward Jon Brockman and cash

there is more to being a gm than the draft. his draft picks have been decent. his trades have been horrible, maybe 3 or 4 of those trades resulted in the kings winning more games after the fact. the rest were garbage...

the pre-webber injury trades werent that bad... the best trade since webbers knee injury was the hedo/miller trade...

good/great trades...
mitch/webber
corliss/doug
jwill/bibby
hedo/miller

i cant think of any other good trades.. the dan dickau trade cost us our only 1st round pick that year which couldve been boozer...

horrible trades...
webber/thomas...
bibby/sheldon
miller/nocioni
doug/mobley
peja/artest
dickau/future pick...

then he had 9 useless trades... the most notable being peja for artest. ron ended up being traded 2 years later for donte and bobby... which resulted in a 17 win season kinda... the miller/salmons for nocioni trade helped with that as well.

how did he keep his job for so long? his free agent signings have been weak as well. the only good one was divac... jim jackson was a one year rental and peeler cost us wallace... moore, salmons, rahim and beno well... yeah, they sucked. though salmons was a pretty good player, the sad part is that he is the 2nd best player ever signed by petrie for this team... after divac.

 

[AriesMar27]

its funny, now that i look at my post that all of the players that petrie traded for that were great trades were traded for players that resulted in horrible trades... he is totally 50/50 as a gm... looking at all of the trades that he's made as our gm i dont know why we were so high on him as a gm. in petrie we trust my ***... we trust that he will make a bad trade or draft a pretty good 2nd best player on a decent team....

i need to look up some of the trades and drafts of some other gms... because if this is what we consider good, i dont want to see the bad ones...

 

[VF21]

You're not looking at the whole picture. In several cases, the primary reason for the trade wasn't the player we acquired so much as it was to get expiring contracts and more salary space.

If you're going to accurately assess the trades of any GM, you have to look at the big picture. Why were they made? What were the possible ramifications of not making them? Etc. Just judging them by the names involved isn't being objective.

 

[AriesMar27]

i know but most of them were so old or so minor that i really dont remember the end results... like all of those 2nd round picks... most of those players picked arent even in the league...

 

[bajaden]

its funny, now that i look at my post that all of the players that petrie traded for that were great trades were traded for players that resulted in horrible trades... he is totally 50/50 as a gm... looking at all of the trades that he's made as our gm i dont know why we were so high on him as a gm. in petrie we trust my ***... we trust that he will make a bad trade or draft a pretty good 2nd best player on a decent team....

i need to look up some of the trades and drafts of some other gms... because if this is what we consider good, i dont want to see the bad ones...

The quote, In Petrie we trust was born out of the dust left over from previous GM's. He took over a franchise that had won squat. I remember Grant on his daily show telling people that the Kings would never be serious contenders. They were a small market team with an owner that had limited resourses. Petrie came and drafted Brian Grant. Most of us at the time said Brian Who? Shortly there after we made the playoffs for the first time since the team had been here. The team despite being economicly poor was over the salary cap and had no possiblity of signing anyone of significance. He bidded his time until we finally had cap space. And In one year made all the right moves to create the team we all came to love. He traded Mitch for Webber, signed Vlade, drafted J. Will, and brought Peja over from europe.

Now you can call it luck. Personally I really don't care, because you don't like Petrie. I've tried to be fair in this discussion. I've admitted that he's made some bad moves. Some bad signings. But he also made some good moves and some good signings. Your problem is that your not now, and probably never will be able to comprise.

You throw around words like, all of his moves were horrible. All of his trades were horrible. Well, no they wern't. Most of them wern't horrible. Some may not have been significant, but all trades aren't. Sometimes one trade is done to set up another.

Let me be honest here. I'll tell you what you do. You start a conversation or debate if you will by asking people's opinion. But you already have your answers. Your mind is already made up. You don't really want our opinion. You just want to argue with us and prove that your point of view is the right one. Now the irony of that whole senario, is that going in, I agreed with a lot of what you had to say. Just not all of it. But your not willing to even accept any ideas that are contrary to your own. So I ask you. Whats the point of this entire debate? I just don't get it. I really don't..

I'll still buy the beers. I just don't get exercises in futility..

 

[AriesMar27]

i said that he was average... thats what started all of this when i said that he has decent drafts and horrible trades. but to be honest his trades are about 50/50... half of them are good and half are bad... half of the players he traded for were traded.

i dont hate petrie, i just hate what he's done to this team for the past 4 years... drafting martin was the only bright spot up until recently with thompson and maybe evans... i would say hawes but he shoots too many threes and the rest of the league has become too athletic for him. he's been one of the worst gms since webber went down. that really must have hurt him... he had a franchise player and lost him on a layup attempt and against a weak dallas team... he must have known that it was his only shot at a ring.