TDOS Draft to End All Drafts - Round 20
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As "official" arbiter, I think the "ability to fly" is only slightly outside the realm of what should be permitted as it's currently written. If Kings Faithful wants to amend his selection to all mechanical devises that would enable him to fly, I'd think that would be an acceptable alternative. As far as "time travel" goes, it's not outside the realm of possibility and zombies are believed to be real in certain cultures. But people cannot fly without some kind of assistance, just like anyone wishing to travel in time would have to have some kind of machine.
As Bricklayer pointed out, people who push the envelope too much in their picks for a draft like this risk destroying the very thing that makes such a draft fun. Just my two cents, but I really think the ability to fly can be amended to make it totally acceptable without too much problem.
EDIT: In looking at King Faithful's picture, it's clear he's not talking about sprouting wings himself so my ruling is that his pick stands.
As Bricklayer pointed out, people who push the envelope too much in their picks for a draft like this risk destroying the very thing that makes such a draft fun. Just my two cents, but I really think the ability to fly can be amended to make it totally acceptable without too much problem.
EDIT: In looking at King Faithful's picture, it's clear he's not talking about sprouting wings himself so my ruling is that his pick stands.
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Okay... a few things to address, here, and I'm going to try and do it all in one shot.
Nope. Only official rule of the draft is that selections must be board appropriate. As long as that criteria is met, everything is fair game.
Additionally, I have since asked that picks be finite and/or quantifiable for the sake of clarity (one, all, or a specified some). But, that has more to do with the how than the what.
As an impartial observer, I think that draft has spun out of control because the rules have been inconsistently enforced (no offense to the mod), not because there aren't any rules in place.
There may not be specific rules on content or available items in this draft, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to allow for the completely nutty, multi-component picks that are being thrown around in the other draft. If I see things going down that road, it will be nipped in the bud immediately. One, clear, quantifiable, item/concept/idea/group of items/etc. per pick. Just one. But it can be anything.
Again, as written, nothing is off limits. Real, fantasy, or otherwise.
Finally, while I appreciate that you stepped in while I was out, the arbitration is really only meant to take place if someone specifically challenges a pick as being too similar to their own (and if that challenge is seconded).
In terms of whether or not an item/concept/whatever is available to be picked, the answer is always going to be yes. The most I'd ever do is ask someone to clarify or quantify a selection that may be too abstract -- for example, if I'd gone with my original idea and tried to draft "cool" neon signs, that would need to be clarified as it's nearly impossible in this setting to come to a consensus as to what "cool" includes. If, however, someone drafted something that was just a different wording of an earlier pick, that might warrant an arbitration. As another example, we've so far seen liquor, beer, red wine, alcohol, and a full bar drafted by different people. I see those all as different levels of specificity and therefore have no problem with any of the picks, but if someone were to draft "spirits," I'd likely second a challenge from the liquor person. In that case, we'd need arbitration.
Hopefully this helps clarify things for everyone. If there are any additional questions, feel free to ask either here or in PMs.
Nope. Only official rule of the draft is that selections must be board appropriate. As long as that criteria is met, everything is fair game.
Additionally, I have since asked that picks be finite and/or quantifiable for the sake of clarity (one, all, or a specified some). But, that has more to do with the how than the what.
As an impartial observer, I think that draft has spun out of control because the rules have been inconsistently enforced (no offense to the mod), not because there aren't any rules in place.
There may not be specific rules on content or available items in this draft, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to allow for the completely nutty, multi-component picks that are being thrown around in the other draft. If I see things going down that road, it will be nipped in the bud immediately. One, clear, quantifiable, item/concept/idea/group of items/etc. per pick. Just one. But it can be anything.
Again, as written, nothing is off limits. Real, fantasy, or otherwise.
Finally, while I appreciate that you stepped in while I was out, the arbitration is really only meant to take place if someone specifically challenges a pick as being too similar to their own (and if that challenge is seconded).
In terms of whether or not an item/concept/whatever is available to be picked, the answer is always going to be yes. The most I'd ever do is ask someone to clarify or quantify a selection that may be too abstract -- for example, if I'd gone with my original idea and tried to draft "cool" neon signs, that would need to be clarified as it's nearly impossible in this setting to come to a consensus as to what "cool" includes. If, however, someone drafted something that was just a different wording of an earlier pick, that might warrant an arbitration. As another example, we've so far seen liquor, beer, red wine, alcohol, and a full bar drafted by different people. I see those all as different levels of specificity and therefore have no problem with any of the picks, but if someone were to draft "spirits," I'd likely second a challenge from the liquor person. In that case, we'd need arbitration.
Hopefully this helps clarify things for everyone. If there are any additional questions, feel free to ask either here or in PMs.
Well, there may be an inherent difficulty with this style of draft -- the nature of the picks is problematic in and of itself. In fact it makes for a much less interesting draft -- its just random fantasy after a while. All of the mundane and grounded and interesting little stuff is swept aside in an arms race of bizarre fantasy nightmare. You may really hate a real food, or a movie, or a singer, or whatever, but once the big stuff comes in its an entirely different draft and the two levels have no place together. And so it becomes a competition to see who can thnk of the weirdest thing. This draft can go the same way. Its already got gigantic concept things that I am just completely ignoring, but once you add the fantasy as well...there is no draft really. Just a bunch of unconnected and imipossible to compare concepts with everybody trying to one up each other. Having bounded sets creates the competition. Having the choices within those bounded sets relate to individuals rather than being generalized concepts gives them cohesiveness and makes comparison possible. Once both are lost what are we doing here?
I don't envy you commish.
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Brick, this one really is more about the fun in the journey than the vote at the end. Maybe finding out you share some interests with fellow Kings fans outside of basketball along the way. Of course its whatever you make of it and if you want to pick things to get the most votes by all means go for it.
Well, there may be an inherent difficulty with this style of draft -- the nature of the picks is problematic in and of itself. In fact it makes for a much less interesting draft -- its just random fantasy after a while. All of the mundane and grounded and interesting little stuff is swept aside in an arms race of bizarre fantasy nightmare. You may really hate a real food, or a movie, or a singer, or whatever, but once the big stuff comes in its an entirely different draft and the two levels have no place together. And so it becomes a competition to see who can thnk of the weirdest thing. This draft can go the same way. Its already got gigantic concept things that I am just completely ignoring, but once you add the fantasy as well...there is no draft really. Just a bunch of unconnected and imipossible to compare concepts with everybody trying to one up each other. Having bounded sets creates the competition. Having the choices within those bounded sets relate to individuals rather than being generalized concepts gives them cohesiveness and makes comparison possible. Once both are lost what are we doing here?
I don't envy you commish.
I don't envy you commish.
The ability to fly is fantasy in the sense that none of us ever have or ever will truly possess that gift, but it is still a single, clear, concrete and definable concept. We all know what it is. Same with zombies, or money, or a theme park. Is it more abstract than one specific movie or one specific car? Sure. But I'm guessing that each and every one of us know exactly what the pick entails without struggling too much to understand or imagine it.
As for the rest of it... I think that really depends on how/why you're drafting the things you're drafting. I think this is a difficult draft to consciously try to win, which could be one of the reasons there's a bit of confusion. I'd never dream of either dictating or guessing at anyone else's reasons for making their lists, so I don't know how everyone else is drafting, but I'm just making a list of (the top?) 20 things that I think are really super cool and nifty. Maybe that gets me votes, or maybe it doesn't. Then again, that's been my approach in all the drafts (as shown by my awesome win record), so maybe that's why it comes naturally to me.
Since I'm insisting that picks are singular and concrete concepts, I really don't see this thread as turning into weird fantasy for the sake of weird fantasy. I don't see it as being terribly different in spirit than some of the early drafts (movie or music, for example), other than in the scope of the content. Instead of 20 favorite albums or 20 favorite movies, this draft is really about making a list of your 20 favorite things -- if someone were to ask me that question in normal conversation, my answer would likely look like my list so far; I like movies, I like Italian food, and so on. I really think that's how this draft should be seen, which is why I've specifically avoided any concrete examples or guidelines of being on a deserted island and only having these 20 things available for the rest of your life, or whatever. Make a list of your favorite stuff and see where it goes from there. Simple, really.
Since I've got life (in all its forms), and beautiful epic landscapes. This next pick goes hand in hand. I'm a big sucker for the outdoors. I like to river raft, run, rock climb, ski, snowboard, surf, scuba dive, horseback ride, rock hop, kayak, canoe, mountain bike, hike, explore, backpack, play frisbee and regular golf, go camping, and much much more . For my 6th pick I choose:
Outdoor Sports
So now I have adventure around every corner, and the toys to enjoy it with.
. For my 6th pick I choose:Outdoor Sports
So now I have adventure around every corner, and the toys to enjoy it with
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Okay, so after some pondering on the nature of this draft and how it was likely to play out, I think this will do for the next pick:
Tennis
Odd thing for a moderator on a bball board, but bball actually isn't my favorite sport to play -- tennis is. Wonderfully versatile sport. Can play it hard or soft and its fun either way. Can play it same sex or coed. Can keep score or just go out and hit around or work on your serve. Actually think it might be just about the most difficult combination of the physical and the mental too in order to really master as a sport.
And I'm guessing the concept is enough, but if there is any physical aspect to this thing, then I will need a court (concrete will be fine -- my coach always said my game was built for clay, but when I finally started playing on it I hated it), several rackets, infinite ball supply and let's say 3 opponents/hitting partners (so I can play single or doubles) to make it really work. Scratch that -- make it 5 opponents/hitting partners -- 3 guys and 2 girls, so can play singles, all male doubles or mixed (fun but less serious).
Tennis
Odd thing for a moderator on a bball board, but bball actually isn't my favorite sport to play -- tennis is. Wonderfully versatile sport. Can play it hard or soft and its fun either way. Can play it same sex or coed. Can keep score or just go out and hit around or work on your serve. Actually think it might be just about the most difficult combination of the physical and the mental too in order to really master as a sport.
And I'm guessing the concept is enough, but if there is any physical aspect to this thing, then I will need a court (concrete will be fine -- my coach always said my game was built for clay, but when I finally started playing on it I hated it), several rackets, infinite ball supply and let's say 3 opponents/hitting partners (so I can play single or doubles) to make it really work. Scratch that -- make it 5 opponents/hitting partners -- 3 guys and 2 girls, so can play singles, all male doubles or mixed (fun but less serious).
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