Fire Reggie Theus!

[Warhawk]

Pretty bad 2nite.
I'll B @ the ORL game 2morrow nite.
I sincerely hope they don't embarass me/themselves like they did 2nte.

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Please see item #1 here:

http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12978

 

[Emma]

This is premature, of course, but this is Theus' last season, and there may be better coaches without a job hanging around next year.

Maybe give Tom Thibodeau a chance? Jeff Van Gundy?

Look up one Avery Johnson. But I like Van Gundy as well. We don't have the correct personel for him ( Van Gundy) to excel however. The man is a defensive genius, and we have two defense oriented players.

 

[Kingster]

Are we still supposed to be running the triangle offense? If so, I'd cut Reggie some slack because it will take at least a couple of months before the players get used to running it. If not, what the heck kind of offense are we running out there? In any case, it is very odd that the young guys - Hawes and JT - look good, and the veteran guys - Martin, Beno, Miki, and Salmons - look bad. You can't use the, "It's a young team" as an excuse in that case.

Reggie needs to start JT and then play him 10 minutes a quarter. If he fouls out in the first half, so be it. Stop being so conservative and leave him in there when he has two fouls, three fouls, or four fouls in the first quarter. It's ridiculous to take him out after two fouls. He is obviously the most talented player we have at the pf position, and he's not going to learn nor will the team have a chance of winning by Reggie being overly concerned about fouls.

What's up with Martin and Salmons turning down wide open outside shots? I saw Martin get the ball with his defender being two steps away from him, and Martin just hesitates and fakes and drives into traffic. They are both thinking waaaaay too much out there (maybe the new offense?). See the ball. Catch the ball. If you're wide open, SHOOT THE FREAKING BALL!

 

[lean_04]

I don't think we gona running the triangle offense,there is no indication of that

I don't even think Reggie Theus can design any complex playbooks,last year we got ronron,everything is easy ,cause he can creat matchups or space for other guy like KM.

now we only left very basic things like Give and go,Pick and roll ,if these didnt work out,we can easily got our throat grabbed just like today.

I miss Rick

 

[Warhawk]

I don't think we gona running the triangle offense,there is no indication of that

Oh, you mean other than the coach saying so?

http://www.sacbee.com/351/story/1276001.html

Kings coach Reggie Theus is implementing the vaunted triangle offense.
The ambitious plan was first introduced in summer league in July. Theus passed word to his assistants to begin coaching the players on the ins and outs of the system, one made famous by coach Phil Jackson with his Chicago Bulls and Los Angeles Lakers teams and is as difficult to master as it can be to defend.
The goal is to eliminate stagnant feel on the floor and rely more on creative freedom and athleticism, and the change in personnel should aid the cause. Although Ron Artest's talents were indisputable, so, too, was the reality that the forward, who was traded to Houston in August, was notorious for breaking set plays and relying too much on isolation play.
"(It's) running more with continuity more so than calling plays," Theus said of the triangle. "I just think that allowing these guys to be as athletic as they are, to learn to play together and to grow as a team, you have to give them the freedom to do that.
"The triangle … (and) all of the intricacies of that offense are very difficult to learn because there are 100 reads. It's about reads, and it's going to take some time to get good at. Those who run that type of system will tell you that once you get it, they just play. And that's what I'm trying to get, is to give them a chance to just play."
Theus said his system last season had elements of the triangle, but this will be a significant step.
"Last year is the beginning parts of the triangle," he said. "We just elevated it to the next three or four levels."

 

[Kingster]

Oh, you mean other than the coach saying so?

http://www.sacbee.com/351/story/1276001.html

Warhawk,

I know that the triangle was the plan, but do you know if we're actually running it? I'm not asking a rhetorical question here; I don't know enough about the triangle to know it if I see it. Experts on the triangle, please chime in...

 

[DocHolliday]

I don't think Reggie Theus is perfect, but I don't think this is anywhere at all his fault. His number one guy is having some bad games. If it's the lack of Brad Miller for Marting, then he needs to get over it, beacuse Brad won't always be there.

He also has young guys who are going to look like they could be all-stars this year on some nights, and they are going to look like Rookies and 2nd year players on others (Although I still think that Hawes had a decent game).

If you are not going to extend Reggie's contract at the end of thise year, you better already have somebody better in mind that you can actually get. If not the Kings begin the transformation to becoming The Raiders. A constant coaching merry-go-round. Which leads to no consistency with the players and they can never really get into a groove in any system, because it's not around long enough. Then you just become one of the worst organizations in the game. I don't want the Kings in that scenario.

So, those that want Reggie Theus fired please start bringing qualiy names to the table that are actually attainable.

 

[One and Done]

Don't know about you guys, but Reggie's not the one overpaying underperforming roleplayers...

 

[Emma]

Warhawk,

I know that the triangle was the plan, but do you know if we're actually running it? I'm not asking a rhetorical question here; I don't know enough about the triangle to know it if I see it. Experts on the triangle, please chime in...

There are so many reads in the triangle, literally hundreds. I don't think we're up to it as a team, but they have tried. Watch for our wings to weave at the top of the arc and our bigs looming at the elbow. Theoretically there is supposed to be a cutter and a passing center involved for pick and roll options, not necessarily pick and pop like the Princeton. But it is very similar to what Adelman runs, just more complicated.

 

[Section 101]

I don't think we gona running the triangle offense,there is no indication of that

I don't even think Reggie Theus can design any complex playbooks,last year we got ronron,everything is easy ,cause he can creat matchups or space for other guy like KM.

now we only left very basic things like Give and go,Pick and roll ,if these didnt work out,we can easily got our throat grabbed just like today.

I miss Rick

What's the offense called when you pass the ball to the other team for a fast break? That's what we ran last night.

Elston Turner was and still is the best of the bunch from the interviews they had.

Petrie make the call for coachie, this offense needs work.

 

[FakeInjury]

Good point, Petrie is not doing well either. I feel he can stay.

I would stake my life and soul that i could coach any group of NBA players better than reggie theus.

Step 1: Stop caring.
Step 2: Recognize which players are the hungriest
step 3: play players accordingly
Step 4: Tell Salmons to come to work with a jumper every day or dont come at all
Step5: teach kevin Martin how to post up
step 6: Teach kevin MArtin how to pass
Step 7: Spencer hawes at the 3

 

[venom_7]

Good point, Petrie is not doing well either. I feel he can stay.

I would stake my life and soul that i could coach any group of NBA players better than reggie theus.

Step 1: Stop caring.
Step 2: Recognize which players are the hungriest
step 3: play players accordingly
Step 4: Tell Salmons to come to work with a jumper every day or dont come at all
Step5: teach kevin Martin how to post up
step 6: Teach kevin MArtin how to pass
Step 7: Spencer hawes at the 3

Most of those are terrible ideas.

 

[FakeInjury]

Not true.
Would you rather have a person who cares TOO much
A person who cannot recognize who is the hungriest
cannot play players accordingly
Wont tell salmons how and when and why to shoot better
Wont at least let Martin Experiment with a post move, he might need em one day
wont explain to martin that he needs to get 2X more assists in order to EVER make an ALLSTAR team
and Spencer at the 3 is very credible

 

[TaxMan]

Not true.
Would you rather have a person who cares TOO much
A person who cannot recognize who is the hungriest
cannot play players accordingly
Wont tell salmons how and when and why to shoot better
Wont at least let Martin Experiment with a post move, he might need em one day
wont explain to martin that he needs to get 2X more assists in order to EVER make an ALLSTAR team
and Spencer at the 3 is very credible

Martin in the post is never going to happen on a consistent basis; however, Spencer at the 3 is probably the least informed suggestion of the bunch. His skill set, size, quickness, and athleticism are about as far from a 3 as you can get. I'm also not sure why a coach that doesn't care is a good thing, but whatever floats your boat.

 

[HighTopKicks]

Warhawk,

I know that the triangle was the plan, but do you know if we're actually running it? I'm not asking a rhetorical question here; I don't know enough about the triangle to know it if I see it. Experts on the triangle, please chime in...

I'm not an expert but I watched the Bulls run it when I lived in Chicago. The idea is to pass the ball WITHOUT a lot of dribbling. It depends on the one of the two players without the ball, screening off the third players defender so he can receive the pass and dribble penetrate to shot an open shot. The player receiving the ball comes to the ball to receive the SHORT pass once his man gets picked. The triangle should be set up below the foul line. So, the big doesn't have far too go if he's the one taking the shot.

So, yes, they do run some. But, our bigs don't pick very well except maybe Shelden (he of the wide body), and they usually get too far from the basket and too close to the side line.

One key to the triangle is the penalty you pay for helping. Because of the spacing if either one of the defenders guarding a player not in the triangle goes to help, they pay the penalty of a open 3. Right now every team is willing to give the Kings backcourt the 3 because they are shooting at less than 20 percent.

 

[VF21]

Good point, Petrie is not doing well either. I feel he can stay.

I would stake my life and soul that i could coach any group of NBA players better than reggie theus.

Step 1: Stop caring.
Step 2: Recognize which players are the hungriest
step 3: play players accordingly
Step 4: Tell Salmons to come to work with a jumper every day or dont come at all
Step5: teach kevin Martin how to post up
step 6: Teach kevin MArtin how to pass
Step 7: Spencer hawes at the 3

I'll give you credit for one thing. Your posts certainly bring up ideas no one else has come up with...

 

[Heuge]

Good point, Petrie is not doing well either. I feel he can stay.

I would stake my life and soul that i could coach any group of NBA players better than reggie theus.

Step 1: Stop caring.
Step 2: Recognize which players are the hungriest
step 3: play players accordingly
Step 4: Tell Salmons to come to work with a jumper every day or dont come at all
Step5: teach kevin Martin how to post up
step 6: Teach kevin MArtin how to pass
Step 7: Spencer hawes at the 3

Is this sarcasm?

 

[Spike]

Is this sarcasm?

It's brilliance!

With Hawes at the 3, he's sky above any/all of his defenders, leaving a speedier Martin in the post to run around the likes of Yao, Oden (in 4 weeks), and Bynum to score with easy dunks.
Why no one has thought of it sooner is beyond me. Kudos to the poster.

 

[Kingster]

I'm not an expert but I watched the Bulls run it when I lived in Chicago. The idea is to pass the ball WITHOUT a lot of dribbling.

Well, we certainly didn't see that last night. Just the opposite.

It depends on the one of the two players without the ball, screening off the third players defender so he can receive the pass and dribble penetrate to shot an open shot. The player receiving the ball comes to the ball to receive the SHORT pass once his man gets picked. The triangle should be set up below the foul line. So, the big doesn't have far too go if he's the one taking the shot.

So, yes, they do run some. But, our bigs don't pick very well except maybe Shelden (he of the wide body), and they usually get too far from the basket and too close to the side line.

One key to the triangle is the penalty you pay for helping. Because of the spacing if either one of the defenders guarding a player not in the triangle goes to help, they pay the penalty of a open 3. Right now every team is willing to give the Kings backcourt the 3 because they are shooting at less than 20 percent.

Thanks for the info. From what you tell me then, they're trying to run it; they just aren't doing a good job of it, at least so far...

 

[bajaden]

Well, we certainly didn't see that last night. Just the opposite.



Thanks for the info. From what you tell me then, they're trying to run it; they just aren't doing a good job of it, at least so far...

Someone told me that to say I'm going to try, means you've failed before you start. I would say the word failed certainly applies here. There is an occasionaly glimpse of what the triangle should be and thats about it. Salmons and Kmart dribbling the ball all over the place isn't it.

 

[FakeInjury]

Theus < Isiah Thomas .

 

[PurpleHaze]

Theus < Isiah Thomas .

Normally, I would ignore such a childish comment. But this one's not only silly - it is egregiously ignorant. There is no comparison whatsoever between Kings head coach Reggie Theus and the discredited Isiah Thomas.

 

[Bricklayer]

Normally, I would ignore such a childish comment. But this one's not only silly - it is egregiously ignorant. There is no comparison whatsoever between Kings head coach Reggie Theus and the discredited Isiah Thomas.

Oh I dunno:

Thomas Career Win % .456
Theus Career Win% .447


I kid of course. Not because of any particular esteem for Coach Theus, but because of an utter lack of any for the trainwreck formerly known as Zeke.

 

[piksi]

I'm not an expert but I watched the Bulls run it when I lived in Chicago. The idea is to pass the ball WITHOUT a lot of dribbling. It depends on the one of the two players without the ball, screening off the third players defender so he can receive the pass and dribble penetrate to shot an open shot. The player receiving the ball comes to the ball to receive the SHORT pass once his man gets picked. The triangle should be set up below the foul line. So, the big doesn't have far too go if he's the one taking the shot.

I might be wrong but didn't a guy named Jordan play for the Bulls back then ?

 

[bajaden]

Oh I dunno:

Thomas Career Win % .456
Theus Career Win% .447


I kid of course. Not because of any particular esteem for Coach Theus, but because of an utter lack of any for the trainwreck formerly known as Zeke.

The major difference between the two and their records is that Thomas results were totaly selfimposed. One could loosely say that Theus is a victim of circumstance, and that Thomas is a masochistic egomaniac. Loosely, of course.

 

[bozzwell]

Oh I dunno:

Thomas Career Win % .456
Theus Career Win% .447


I kid of course. Not because of any particular esteem for Coach Theus, but because of an utter lack of any for the trainwreck formerly known as Zeke.

Oh, I dunno x2.

Zeke did have a run in Indy that was respectable. Both men are way too in love with themselves for fans of the team's they coach ever to be able to sit back and enjoy the ride without trepidation, but as it is, Zeke at least had one or two years when he looked like he might belong.

I can't believe I just wrote that.

 

[bajaden]

Oh, I dunno x2.

Zeke did have a run in Indy that was respectable. Both men are way too in love with themselves for fans of the team's they coach ever to be able to sit back and enjoy the ride without trepidation, but as it is, Zeke at least had one or two years when he looked like he might belong.

I can't believe I just wrote that.

I can't either! Lets not forget that he singlehandedly destroyed the CBA. One of his minor acchievments. And besides, Reggie is better looking.

I can't believe I just wrote that.

 

[HighTopKicks]

I might be wrong but didn't a guy named Jordan play for the Bulls back then ?

Yes, I believe he was. There also was a guard by the name of Randy Brown.

I haven't seen much, but at the 7 min mark of the third quarter in the Orlando game, Beno, Martin & Hawes ran a play with Beno getting the pass and dribbling along the base line where he dished to Moore for a dunk. And, that would be your typical triangle set.

Although it's called the triangle, it can be run as a two on two set, so it's hard to know what Reggie is really is running since he calls it STRONG.

 

[Widowmaker2k]

Hawes at the 3? Brilliant! But why stop there, let's play bizarro-basketball and play him at the PG position. He could shoot over anybody! Then we get progressively smaller where we should get larger, leaving Beno to play center. Seriously, fire Theus and hire Don Nelson, it's right up his alley!

 

[y2kings]

Seriously, this is a stupid post. Reggie got more of the kings with less talent than any other coach we've had in the past 10 years. RA was a great coach but he had all-stars and a deep bench. I'm not saying Reggie is a great coach but he's not the problem man. The problem is that our best player is an ideal number 2 option, haha. I mean, imagine if we sign someone like Dwade. All of a sudden, reggie would become a better coach...in your eyes