Was Douby a wasted pick?
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Basketball IQ isn't easily defined. I chose to use the clock analogy because he (Douby) looks at the clock but then doesn't seem to be aware of how much time has passed, which is what an internal clock does.
These are all intangibles anyway. You think it's inexperience, I tend to disagree - I know, big shock
- and think it might just be a basic skill Douby doesn't possess. Some people can curl their tonques; others can't no matter how hard they try. What does this have to do with it? Simple. If Douby doesn't have an innate ability to recognize the passage of time via his internal clock he's never going to develop it. And that can be a real problem if the ball is in his hands at critical junctures. As we saw last night, he waited too long before dumping the ball off.
And my bad about the Mikki Moore comment. For some strange reason, I thought you were saying it was Douby's choice to get the ball to Moore right away.
These are all intangibles anyway. You think it's inexperience, I tend to disagree - I know, big shock
- and think it might just be a basic skill Douby doesn't possess. Some people can curl their tonques; others can't no matter how hard they try. What does this have to do with it? Simple. If Douby doesn't have an innate ability to recognize the passage of time via his internal clock he's never going to develop it. And that can be a real problem if the ball is in his hands at critical junctures. As we saw last night, he waited too long before dumping the ball off.And my bad about the Mikki Moore comment. For some strange reason, I thought you were saying it was Douby's choice to get the ball to Moore right away.
you think its a basic skill that you either have or you dont have? i think that its something that can be learned. managing the clock. but that'll get better by doing drills in practice. or executing better on offense. get up the court, run the play, get the ball to where it needs to be for the shot. then the shotclock wont be an issue.
you can teach time management. its not a skill. you cant teach an inbetween the legs slam dunk. im done
you can teach time management. its not a skill. you cant teach an inbetween the legs slam dunk. im done
I KNOW that having an internal clock that accurates measures the passage of time is something you either have or don't have. That's not a debate. I hope he can learn to better JUDGE THE PASSAGE of time (which I've apparently failed miserably in trying to differentiate), but if he can't it may be his biggest flaw.
Feel free to continue arguing as long as you like. Oh wait. I forgot. You said you were done.
Have a good evening.
Feel free to continue arguing as long as you like. Oh wait. I forgot. You said you were done.
Have a good evening.
Uh, that you can't make mud out of sand? Sand is a coarse-grained soil (particles greater than 0.0029 inches in diameter, to be specific); only silts and clays can actually form a "mud". If you are actually making a "mud" out of what you are calling a sand, then it's got to have a lot of fine-grained soils in it as well. USCS classification SM or SC. But then it is no longer typically just called "sand".
Just FYI.
Just FYI.
They see the players in full contact/half court practice, and in drills. I am sure they gather enough info from there to see whether or not they can contribute in games....
But I think real game time experience is needed as well to judge. Not just practice.. I think that's where Williams (both Justin, and Shelden) might be having problems.
But I think real game time experience is needed as well to judge. Not just practice.. I think that's where Williams (both Justin, and Shelden) might be having problems.
The whole practice turns into game time reminds me of what Muss used to say, “we had an amazing practice...if they play well in practice then they’ll see court time.” Ex: Cisco used to shoot the lights out in practice yet he didn’t see floor time. Quincy in my opinion really needs the time on the court in order for him to show us what he’s got.
How many times in college did Quincy turn the ball over because of the clock? I’m not worried about clock thing, yet. I want to see him on the court, becoming comfortable with his teammates, start making the shots that he can. I think the clock thing will improve with experience (same thing Tyrant said). Hopefully Quincy can be worked more into Reggie’s rotation.
How many times in college did Quincy turn the ball over because of the clock? I’m not worried about clock thing, yet. I want to see him on the court, becoming comfortable with his teammates, start making the shots that he can. I think the clock thing will improve with experience (same thing Tyrant said). Hopefully Quincy can be worked more into Reggie’s rotation.
I agree. Although he's stated that he's not coming out this year. As far as Douby is concerned. He can get minutes when Cisco is on the floor with him. Cisco brings up the ball and Douby guards the Pt at the other end. Similar to what Cristy used to do. Jury is still out on him as far as I'm concerned.
Would I have drafted someone else. Yes..
Would I have drafted someone else. Yes..
Was Douby a wasted pick? As of now, I say yes. He hasn't been the sparkplug that we needed off the bench. His FG% is poor and he can't create. Trying to make him a PG wasn't the best idea...
But I'm more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. That is, one more year. Besides, a rook's third year is the "make or break" year, they say. I know Douby's got a great shot, can be a good slasher and pesky defender...I hope to see it next year!
But I'm more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. That is, one more year. Besides, a rook's third year is the "make or break" year, they say. I know Douby's got a great shot, can be a good slasher and pesky defender...I hope to see it next year!
Where'd you here that? As far as I know, and from everything I've heard in interviews with both him and USC's coach, both before and during this season...he's only staying this year and bouncing to the draft. Coach said both before and during...'Hey, I know I'll only have him for one year bit I'm going to enjoy this while I can'. We'll see...
My favorite tid-bit on Douby was a review by Rick Kamla, NBA TVs analyst on the 2006 1st round draft choices playing in the Summer League:
19. Quincy Douby, Kings: If Pecherov is a poor man's Bargnani, then Douby is a poor man's Eddie House ... or the second coming of Salim Stoudamire. Douby can give you liberty or he can give you death.
Couldn't say it better myself. Flashes of being a 1st rounder almost every game but usually only for couple of up and downs. I think he could be a really good defender who could/should make a few 3's when in. But he has already been in 2 summer leagues and can't use that for working on his game.
19. Quincy Douby, Kings: If Pecherov is a poor man's Bargnani, then Douby is a poor man's Eddie House ... or the second coming of Salim Stoudamire. Douby can give you liberty or he can give you death.
Couldn't say it better myself. Flashes of being a 1st rounder almost every game but usually only for couple of up and downs. I think he could be a really good defender who could/should make a few 3's when in. But he has already been in 2 summer leagues and can't use that for working on his game.
Next year is the year. I've seen flashes sometimes, and mud the next. I'm with Theus: He's got to improve defensively. He has the potential to be a very good defender, but then at times he seems to day-dream on D while his man loops around some screens to get an open shot. Overall, he's still thinking too much out there, both on defense and offense. One thing in particular I don't like Douby is his upright dribbling style. He's got to improve his dribbling by not having such a high bounce on the dribble, and he's got to be able to dribble the ball while running near top speed. He seems to have to slow down to 2/3 speed in order to control that dribble. He's got a long ways to go, but maybe the 3rd year charm will come through.
Douby was better than Eddie House or Salim Stoudamire were in college. As a junior he just murdered the Big East and that was the year the Big East was incredible.
I'm not saying he's ever going to be good, but the guys I can think of like him took a while to adjust to the NBA before they were solid contributors: Juan Dixon, Tony Delk, Eddie House...
I'm not saying he's ever going to be good, but the guys I can think of like him took a while to adjust to the NBA before they were solid contributors: Juan Dixon, Tony Delk, Eddie House...
One measurement of judgement is who did you pass on when you took a player. Players we could have drafted instead of Douby are.
Rajon Rondo
Marcus Williams
Kyle Lowry
Jordon Farmer
Sergio Rodriguez
I think there are a few pt guards in that group, and we would have been better served by taking one of them.
Rajon Rondo
Marcus Williams
Kyle Lowry
Jordon Farmer
Sergio Rodriguez
I think there are a few pt guards in that group, and we would have been better served by taking one of them.
Paul Millsap
A defensive hustle player we could have used at 4.
While I still believe that Douby can have a future in the league, I continue to have my doubts that it shall be with us. Unless we get lucky and get a Doug kind of player (a big guard who can handle the ball and create for others), Douby's combination of lack of size to play the two, and lack of PG skills to play the one shall be a hinderance. Getting someone like Doug can allow him to play off the ball on offense, (like Mike often did during our run), where his scoring skills can be very useful. Maybe Cisco can grow in that role (hopefully).
A defensive hustle player we could have used at 4.
While I still believe that Douby can have a future in the league, I continue to have my doubts that it shall be with us. Unless we get lucky and get a Doug kind of player (a big guard who can handle the ball and create for others), Douby's combination of lack of size to play the two, and lack of PG skills to play the one shall be a hinderance. Getting someone like Doug can allow him to play off the ball on offense, (like Mike often did during our run), where his scoring skills can be very useful. Maybe Cisco can grow in that role (hopefully).
Yeah, there were several more players that I could have added to the list, but I decided not to beat it to death. Its possible that Cisco could grow into the role Doug used to play. Remember, Doug wasn't Doug when he came into the league either. However, he did have more ballhandling skills than Cisco does.