What's your latest top 10? (split)
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Maybe he took the Pic Beforehand, saw the stupid hand gesture, and said don't draft me . 
I would prefer we draft him, but if he doesn't want to be here, I don't want him. That's y I like fox so much and why I hated to see dmc traded. Not many players want to be here before falling in love with the city. So if you have a player that really wants to be here, it's just a bonus.
I would prefer we draft him, but if he doesn't want to be here, I don't want him. That's y I like fox so much and why I hated to see dmc traded. Not many players want to be here before falling in love with the city. So if you have a player that really wants to be here, it's just a bonus.
Just a reminder: Givony doesn't know everything. I keep remembering how many people panicked that Webber wouldn't resign with the Kings because some national talking heads swore he was headed to Detroit.
I truly cannot imagine a scenario under which Luka would have told the Kings he's not interested in playing here when so many other things show otherwise. Tons of pictures, comments, tweets, etc. show he's more than interested. Givony says he's not. Hrm. Who to believe?
I truly cannot imagine a scenario under which Luka would have told the Kings he's not interested in playing here when so many other things show otherwise. Tons of pictures, comments, tweets, etc. show he's more than interested. Givony says he's not. Hrm. Who to believe?
Maybe he took the Pic Beforehand, saw the stupid hand gesture, and said don't draft me .
I would prefer we draft him, but if he doesn't want to be here, I don't want him. That's y I like fox so much and why I hated to see dmc traded. Not many players want to be here before falling in love with the city. So if you have a player that really wants to be here, it's just a bonus.
I would prefer we draft him, but if he doesn't want to be here, I don't want him. That's y I like fox so much and why I hated to see dmc traded. Not many players want to be here before falling in love with the city. So if you have a player that really wants to be here, it's just a bonus.
Never said anything on record? True. Never said it at all? How would we know?
I have no idea what is fact or fiction but very rarely will a guy say publicly where he doesn't want to play. It's bad PR. But Luka could have told Vlade that. Or his "representation informed the Kings organization".
I've strongly suspected for a while now that it's why JJJ and Bamba didn't work out for the Kings. I sure hope it's not the case with Doncic. If Bagley is the pick I hope it's because he's who the Kings have at the top of the draft board and not because he's the only one willing to play in Sacramento.
Stuff like this (assuming any part of it is true) makes me realize what an uphill battle it is to build a winning Kings team. Combining a small market with a terrible team history for the last decade and a half with the perception (or reality) of a dysfunctional front offfice and ownership.
I was super excited when the Kings jumped up in the lottery but now I'm back to being half depressed that players are allegedly avoiding the Kings and half anxious for the draft to be over because I'm afraid Vlade & co will screw up this opportunity.
In honor of the Kings I think I'll pour myself a Crown Royal to take the edge off.
I have no idea what is fact or fiction but very rarely will a guy say publicly where he doesn't want to play. It's bad PR. But Luka could have told Vlade that. Or his "representation informed the Kings organization".
I've strongly suspected for a while now that it's why JJJ and Bamba didn't work out for the Kings. I sure hope it's not the case with Doncic. If Bagley is the pick I hope it's because he's who the Kings have at the top of the draft board and not because he's the only one willing to play in Sacramento.
Stuff like this (assuming any part of it is true) makes me realize what an uphill battle it is to build a winning Kings team. Combining a small market with a terrible team history for the last decade and a half with the perception (or reality) of a dysfunctional front offfice and ownership.
I was super excited when the Kings jumped up in the lottery but now I'm back to being half depressed that players are allegedly avoiding the Kings and half anxious for the draft to be over because I'm afraid Vlade & co will screw up this opportunity.
In honor of the Kings I think I'll pour myself a Crown Royal to take the edge off.
He could also have told him the earth is flat and the moon is made of green cheese.
I don't want to sound like I'm ridiculing you, but this is just getting silly. Why would you assume any of it is true? Especially in the case of Doncic where there is a plethora of evidence to indicate he is more than willing to come to the Kings?
I'm not going to succumb to the panic until/unless there is real significant reason to do so.
I don't want to sound like I'm ridiculing you, but this is just getting silly. Why would you assume any of it is true? Especially in the case of Doncic where there is a plethora of evidence to indicate he is more than willing to come to the Kings?
I'm not going to succumb to the panic until/unless there is real significant reason to do so.
There actually isn't any evidence that he is willing to come to the Kings. We're pinning a lot on him saying that he'd love to play with Bogdan and a picture with Vlade and Vivek.
I think what scares me with Doncic is that college kids threaten to "play in Europe" or change sports if drafted by a team they don't want to play for and they are just idle threats that I doubt they'd follow through on. But Luka has a very good thing in Madrid that he could easily return to.
I certainly HOPE it's not true, but we'll likely never know. I just hate the idea that the Kings possibly end up drafting by process of elimination instead of based on talent.
The Kings actually seem like a good spot for Doncic though. Vlade, Peja & Bogie to help him acclimate, a hole at small forward, a speedy PG and bigs that can screen and roll. Really just need a stretch four and it's a good fit. Unless he doesn't want to be here. . .
I think what scares me with Doncic is that college kids threaten to "play in Europe" or change sports if drafted by a team they don't want to play for and they are just idle threats that I doubt they'd follow through on. But Luka has a very good thing in Madrid that he could easily return to.
I certainly HOPE it's not true, but we'll likely never know. I just hate the idea that the Kings possibly end up drafting by process of elimination instead of based on talent.
The Kings actually seem like a good spot for Doncic though. Vlade, Peja & Bogie to help him acclimate, a hole at small forward, a speedy PG and bigs that can screen and roll. Really just need a stretch four and it's a good fit. Unless he doesn't want to be here. . .
How about these kids get a dose of reality? These teams pay them not the other way around. You wanna blackmail us? Fine we won't draft and you lose half a million a year.
These agents have to have some checks and balances. It's absolutely ridiculous that they have this much power over an entire organization. Also, physicals and medical reports ought to be mandatory and not optional. This is a physical game and each team invests millions in these young kids. If you ask me it's all a bunch of bullcrap. I'd corner one of these agents and let them know what's what.
These agents have to have some checks and balances. It's absolutely ridiculous that they have this much power over an entire organization. Also, physicals and medical reports ought to be mandatory and not optional. This is a physical game and each team invests millions in these young kids. If you ask me it's all a bunch of bullcrap. I'd corner one of these agents and let them know what's what.
Why would Vlade or his staff publicly disparage a top prospect? That makes less sense than a prospect publicly saying he won't play for a particular team.
And I agree that it's smokescreen and lying season so very little should be trusted. But what positive evidence is there that that Doncic would be willing to play in Sacramento? I haven't seen any.
That doesn't mean Givony's report that he is avoiding the Kings is true but I've looked and I haven't found any positive evidence about the Kings.
Saying he would like to play with Bogdanovic is not the same thing as saying he likes the idea of Sacramento. In fact, it's a good way to sidestep that question.
Doncic currently plays for a top flight organization in a city six times bigger than Sacramento. Let's not pretend it's out of the realm of possibility that he wants to go to a successful NBA franchise in a large market. Porzingis did all he could to get to the Knicks. Josh Jackson refused to workout for the Celtics. We don't even need to discuss Lavar and Lonzo Ball's predraft shenanigans. There's a reason why Bamba and Jackson Jr have worked out for the Suns, Hawks and Mavs but not the Kings. And why reports are out that Bamba also refused to workout for the Grizzlies. Players absolutely try to dictate which teams draft them. And it's only gotten more obvious/blatant in the last few years.
Again, I don't know what's fact or fiction but for any of us to claim with certainty that Doncic ISN'T avoiding the Kings is as baseless as claiming with certainty that he is. We don't know.
And I agree that it's smokescreen and lying season so very little should be trusted. But what positive evidence is there that that Doncic would be willing to play in Sacramento? I haven't seen any.
That doesn't mean Givony's report that he is avoiding the Kings is true but I've looked and I haven't found any positive evidence about the Kings.
Saying he would like to play with Bogdanovic is not the same thing as saying he likes the idea of Sacramento. In fact, it's a good way to sidestep that question.
Doncic currently plays for a top flight organization in a city six times bigger than Sacramento. Let's not pretend it's out of the realm of possibility that he wants to go to a successful NBA franchise in a large market. Porzingis did all he could to get to the Knicks. Josh Jackson refused to workout for the Celtics. We don't even need to discuss Lavar and Lonzo Ball's predraft shenanigans. There's a reason why Bamba and Jackson Jr have worked out for the Suns, Hawks and Mavs but not the Kings. And why reports are out that Bamba also refused to workout for the Grizzlies. Players absolutely try to dictate which teams draft them. And it's only gotten more obvious/blatant in the last few years.
Again, I don't know what's fact or fiction but for any of us to claim with certainty that Doncic ISN'T avoiding the Kings is as baseless as claiming with certainty that he is. We don't know.
I don't want Doncic but really there's no evidence of where he would or wouldn't like to play because he didn't workout for any teams. I did read something that he loves la and big cities in general. Also read a rumor that he didn't give the Kings his medicals. Unless that's true though there's just nothing to go on one way or another.
I disagree. If Doncic wanted to avoid the Kings, why would he accept a private dinner with Vlade and Vivek.
That is proof in and of itself that he is open to being a King. The Kings obviously did not force him to take a meeting.
The guy is a competitor. He is going to play hard for anyone that drafts him. The Kings has just as much upside than any other team picking in the top 5.
That is proof in and of itself that he is open to being a King. The Kings obviously did not force him to take a meeting.
The guy is a competitor. He is going to play hard for anyone that drafts him. The Kings has just as much upside than any other team picking in the top 5.
I disagree with this. A private dinner doesn't mean he wants to go to Sacramento. Also, I think people misinterpret the Bogdan answer. The original question was asking him if he wanted to play with a Serbian player, who would it be? Bogdan was his answer.
There's valid reasons for why the top prospects want to avoid Sacramento. However, I'm going to wait and see on Doncic. I know Givony said he refused to give the Kings his medicals..so that's the only red flag I see. I'm not sure if he's given it to every other team.
There's valid reasons for why the top prospects want to avoid Sacramento. However, I'm going to wait and see on Doncic. I know Givony said he refused to give the Kings his medicals..so that's the only red flag I see. I'm not sure if he's given it to every other team.
A player will always have a preference. If every player was able to play for only the big city teams, there would be like 6 teams in the NBA.
Prospects are under no obligation to interview or take a meeting with any team, i.e. see Bamba and JJJ.
A private dinner would be the equivalent of a private workout at this point, because Doncic was in the middle of his Euro season. He's not going to do a workout for anyone.
I highly doubt he took a private meeting to personally tell the Kings he won't play for them.
Givony conveniently leaves out the fact of the Kings private meeting with Luka in all his crap stories.
I wouldn't take any merit from any info from Givony. He clearly has an agenda.
Prospects are under no obligation to interview or take a meeting with any team, i.e. see Bamba and JJJ.
A private dinner would be the equivalent of a private workout at this point, because Doncic was in the middle of his Euro season. He's not going to do a workout for anyone.
I highly doubt he took a private meeting to personally tell the Kings he won't play for them.
Givony conveniently leaves out the fact of the Kings private meeting with Luka in all his crap stories.
I wouldn't take any merit from any info from Givony. He clearly has an agenda.
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I'm in business.... Sometimes you try not to accept no for an answer. Kings could've said we understand you don't want to come to sac, just hear us out over a quick dinner and then we'll leave you alone if you're still not interested.
Once again, just playing devil's advocate. Probably not the case. The point is no one knows one way or another.
Once again, just playing devil's advocate. Probably not the case. The point is no one knows one way or another.
