Who Would You Want for Gay?
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Well...possibly. Everybody overvalues their stuff.
Fact is they are players with some long term potential who got hugely overhyped and then did marginally more than jack and crap in their rookie seasons. I don't see either as truly available, so I don't think suggesting we trade for them is very realistic. But in some sort of grand "who has more value" scheme, those guys are unlikely to have more value than Rudy. Nobody's giving up the farm for sub-40% shooting rookies.
Fact is they are players with some long term potential who got hugely overhyped and then did marginally more than jack and crap in their rookie seasons. I don't see either as truly available, so I don't think suggesting we trade for them is very realistic. But in some sort of grand "who has more value" scheme, those guys are unlikely to have more value than Rudy. Nobody's giving up the farm for sub-40% shooting rookies.
Of those names listed, I think Knight might be the best fit if we can get him back to playing some smart basketball and scale down the chucking. Maybe it's the way he is getting used or its because of what he is being asked to do but it's not ideal.
My reasons for Knight are that he is a PG on a reasonable contract signed for a number of years. He is still only 24 with best basketball ahead of him. He is similar age to Cousins so there is that aspects of it too. He is not a pure PG but he can create for others a bit and can create his own shot. Can play some good defense and can play some minutes at SG.
If we do end up with Knight it means we don't have to go shopping for a starting PG next summer either. He is not ideal but I think he probably fits well in the type of system Joerger will run and he fits on the defensive end as well.
My reasons for Knight are that he is a PG on a reasonable contract signed for a number of years. He is still only 24 with best basketball ahead of him. He is similar age to Cousins so there is that aspects of it too. He is not a pure PG but he can create for others a bit and can create his own shot. Can play some good defense and can play some minutes at SG.
If we do end up with Knight it means we don't have to go shopping for a starting PG next summer either. He is not ideal but I think he probably fits well in the type of system Joerger will run and he fits on the defensive end as well.
Gay & Collision for Dragic works on the Trade Machine. Add a second-rounder or whatever peripheral junk makes it come together. Not ridiculous for Miami (they like both our players), and Kings would get a tall long high caliber pg which would be a rabbit out of a hat after what Rudy has done to his trade value with all his talk.
I know Collison is a nice player but you have to give some to get some.
I know Collison is a nice player but you have to give some to get some.
One could make the argument that DC is just as good as Dragic (granted, it would be a tough argument to win).... So no on that throw in.
I do agree that we'd need to sweeten the pot if we're trying to ship Rudy out though. I'm thinking one of the kids we drafted is probably going to go, and my money would be on Malachi.
As for who I'd want back? Knight or Dragic, easily.
I do agree that we'd need to sweeten the pot if we're trying to ship Rudy out though. I'm thinking one of the kids we drafted is probably going to go, and my money would be on Malachi.
As for who I'd want back? Knight or Dragic, easily.
I agree Dragic is not worth Gay,DC and a pick? Hell no to that
If Miami wants Rudy:
Rudy and Ben For Dragic and a 2nd rd Miami pick
We get our PG, keep DC, save 4 mil on Ben, Get a pick, free up a roster slot for ICuz or Lamar
Miami gets some salary flex for next year, gets Rudy and Ben not sure they are that sold on Dragic anyway
This reported low trade value of Rudy....does anyone really know that it's true? I mean, I have an incredibly hard time believing he has zero trade value or is even a negative value when I look at some of these trade proposals.
For one, I'd not add Collison in an effort to match salaries. We would be going backwards in talent if it was a two for one and we are not deep at PG....adding DC is a no go. Deal from a depth advantage, meaning the other person that should be attached is McLemore as we have depth at SG.
I suspect that the closer we get to training camp, the better chances of a deal happening. I think OKC is a landing spot as they are in win now mode and Rudy could help replace some of Durants production. Payne and ? is obviously the target. I believe I read some chatter of Chicago again being interested. They obviously are in win now mode and Gay would fit a small ball PF for them and SF as they try and fit Ball stoppers Romdo, Wade, Butler together. With Chicago, Jerian Grant and Taj Gibson would be targets.
For one, I'd not add Collison in an effort to match salaries. We would be going backwards in talent if it was a two for one and we are not deep at PG....adding DC is a no go. Deal from a depth advantage, meaning the other person that should be attached is McLemore as we have depth at SG.
I suspect that the closer we get to training camp, the better chances of a deal happening. I think OKC is a landing spot as they are in win now mode and Rudy could help replace some of Durants production. Payne and ? is obviously the target. I believe I read some chatter of Chicago again being interested. They obviously are in win now mode and Gay would fit a small ball PF for them and SF as they try and fit Ball stoppers Romdo, Wade, Butler together. With Chicago, Jerian Grant and Taj Gibson would be targets.
I would trade Gay and Collison for Dragic. We have two players who we probably lose at the end of this season for nothing and get a PG we have control over for 2 more season at what is now not an awful contract. If we could get a pick swap or future 2nd or protected 1st out of the deal, even better.
There isn't a huge market, but I am sure the Kings are getting some low-ball offers because everyone knows Rudy wants out. However, I think Vlade would be fine with keeping Gay if it meant not giving him away for pennies on the dollar. I am fairly confident that this is the issue. Teams want Rudy, but don't want to give up a lot to get him and they are using the knowledge of him wanting out of Sacramento against us. The only way to combat that is, of course, to say "fine, we'll keep him if that's your offer" and hope (with time) that the other team budges and improves their offer. Vlade may also wait until the trade deadline if he has to, a lot of teams fold under pressure and he may strike gold then...
Most teams live in the real world and realize that Rudy on an expiring just doesn't have a lot of value. He just isn't the impact player that some think he is here.
I've long stated we're a better team with Omri starting, so I'd be fine with a decent prospect and/or a future 1st round pick. OKC does make a ton of sense as Rudy is essentially a ridiculously poor man's version of Durant. They'd be able to run a lot of the same sets with more emphasis on Westy
I've long stated we're a better team with Omri starting, so I'd be fine with a decent prospect and/or a future 1st round pick. OKC does make a ton of sense as Rudy is essentially a ridiculously poor man's version of Durant. They'd be able to run a lot of the same sets with more emphasis on Westy
Agreed. I think part of this is the Catanella effect. But to say there is no market, is probably grossly wrong. Teams are probably thinking that Vlade doesn't want to go to camp with Rudy and so they are going to wait it out. Vlade is probably just going to wait until the right offer comes along.
Last I checked, no one is getting moved right now.
Last I checked, no one is getting moved right now.
If he was the 4th or 5th best player on a team, he'd be insanely valuable. I'd love to see him in a 6th man role getting 30 minutes at SF and small-ball PF and feasting on 2nd units. His ability to create off the bounce is unique, but he's a bad playmaker and doesn't defend, which is a huge negative when he's expected to be the 2nd best player on a team.
At this point I don't think your gonna get anything better for Rudy. Might as well keep him on the team and hope we win which might change his mood. Defense can be contagious and I think if everyone is buying in and playing hard so will Rudy.
The team as it is just doesnt have enough offense for when DMC goes to the bench. What will we do if he gets injured?!
Vlade isn't going to trade him for anything that doesn't make us better and I just don't see any team giving up more to get Rudy. Odds are we are going to go into the season with Rudy unless he is packaged with Ben and KK for a GOOD player.
The team as it is just doesnt have enough offense for when DMC goes to the bench. What will we do if he gets injured?!
Vlade isn't going to trade him for anything that doesn't make us better and I just don't see any team giving up more to get Rudy. Odds are we are going to go into the season with Rudy unless he is packaged with Ben and KK for a GOOD player.
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What makes you think teams want Rudy on a long term deal? With his highly questionable history he's only a good get if like us/Toronto you give up nothing to get him and he's on a short term deal otherwise giving up assets when he could bail or overstay his welcome (once you realise he won't help you win) is a terrible move. The guy just does not have much value right now.
Personally, I think Vlade won't trade scraps for Rudy.
The East is hauling a lot of good SF in the leagued right now.
So in the West, IMO, Rudy is right there next to KD and Kawhi.
So the one call, I want Vlade to make for Rudy is a call to NY.
Rudy/Kosta for Melo works in trade checker.
A Melo in Sacramento means more years of DMC in Sacramento.
And Melo is a guy DMC publicly idolize.
With Porz getting a legit spotlight brighter than Melo in NY and now Rose and Noah, I think Melo would ease that drop that trade kicker to play in the West.
The East is hauling a lot of good SF in the leagued right now.
So in the West, IMO, Rudy is right there next to KD and Kawhi.
So the one call, I want Vlade to make for Rudy is a call to NY.
Rudy/Kosta for Melo works in trade checker.
A Melo in Sacramento means more years of DMC in Sacramento.
And Melo is a guy DMC publicly idolize.
With Porz getting a legit spotlight brighter than Melo in NY and now Rose and Noah, I think Melo would ease that drop that trade kicker to play in the West.
