Rudy Gay expresses his frustration

[Mike]

PG -- Collison, Norris Cole,Temple
SG- Afflalo, McLemore, Richardson
SF- Rudy Gay, Barnes, Casspi
PF- WCS, Tolliver,Skal
C- Cousins,Koufos, Papa

All we need to do is sign Cole with our room exception
I really dont see that much difference in the two lineups
and my dream is attainable with one signing!
shoulda, wouldve, couldve Dreams dont count

three deep at all positions, more balanced, better defensive players
When we start winning Cuz and Gay will both come around

Yeh I know , Mr Optomistic!!!

Of the former Heat/Grizzlies PGs I'd rather take a chance on Chalmers. He's the better player if he's recovered from his injury. Better shooter, ball handler, and on the defense end. From what I've read about Cole's time in Memphis, he wasn't very good, and in his last season was inefficient and a liability at both ends.

Another option could be Shane Larkin, he's shown flashes and is a capable backup. Though my preference would be Chalmers of this trio.

 

[Bricklayer]

so then just stick with the disgruntled, uninterested employee huh?

Yes. Those are not immutable traits. Lack of talent is.

 

[Glenn]

"I think Vlade is being ignorant. In my analysis, Rudy is feeling disrespected. Yes, I realize he may not have earned Vlade's respect but if Vlade wants to keep peace on this team, especially if Rudy is part of our future, he needs to pick up the phone. This isn't a game of chicken we are playing. I don't want dissension on this team because two people are being tight assed."

This is your exact quote. You tell me if there isn't an implication that Vlade should call players and let them know what's going on. Do I need a class in reader comprehension? If what I got from that isn't what you intended, then I apologize, but to these old eye;'s, it sure looks like you said what I thought you said, or at least implied. I don't think you were saying that Rudy should pick up the phone.

This isn't worth arguing about, is it? I don't know what is going on and it doesn't seem difficult to solve. As it isn't being solved, I suspect Rudy is on his way out. The last thing I want to debate is word games. I see too much of it and regret getting involved in this. Peace, bajaden. Life is too short.

 

[kingsboi]

Yes. Those are not immutable traits. Lack of talent is.

so talent trumps heart, passion and effort? I didn't know that's the direction the team is continuing to stay upon.

 

[KingsFan80]

Throw money at Crabbe? How well did that work out for New Jersey Nets? dude you really need to keep up with your NBA news. I notice that you're not very well informed from all your posts. Here is the link of Portland matching that big offer from New Jersey.

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/i...rail_blazers_re-sign_allen_crabbe_to_4-y.html

My apologies...I didn't realize if the Blazers chose to match then the other team had no shot to sign him. Scratch that statement, but still my post was solely on a dream lol

 

[ParniValjak]

You telling me you wouldn't rather have Mo Harkless right about now? At least he plays hard and defends, plays with interest...has upside still.

Why do people always get sucked in with potential. Mo Harkless can defend at a very very high level but offensively there is not much there. In terms of PURE talent Gay is streets ahead of Harkless.

In fact Mo Harkless would be absolutely over the moon if his career gets anywhere near Gay's once its all said and done.

 

[kingsboi]

Why do people always get sucked in with potential. Mo Harkless can defend at a very very high level but offensively there is not much there. In terms of PURE talent Gay is streets ahead of Harkless.

In fact Mo Harkless would be absolutely over the moon if his career gets anywhere near Gay's once its all said and done.

I have no doubts that Gay is the better player. However, since the team is heading in a new direction, a young player that defends like Mo, would be an ideal choice considering the circumstances. Either way, it's moot to talk about Mo now, he wasn't coming here regardless. The question remains, do you keep Rudy to help with the scoring and get a better deal (hopefully) come February or do you trade him in the next month and a half or so for half the value.

 

[whozit]

I have no doubts that Gay is the better player. However, since the team is heading in a new direction, a young player that defends like Mo, would be an ideal choice considering the circumstances. Either way, it's moot to talk about Mo now, he wasn't coming here regardless. The question remains, do you keep Rudy to help with the scoring and get a better deal (hopefully) come February or do you trade him in the next month and a half or so for half the value.

Or do you keep him if an acceptable deal is not offered. Winning can cure a lot and if he intends to opt out, it is a contract year. I didn't agree with his place of interview, timing of interview or even the fact he aired dirty laundry but at the same time was surprised that he of all people gave the interview. It didn't seem his persona. Sometimes getting it off the chest can clear the air especially if your one (and I don't know him) that keeps it under wraps at all times.

 

[White_Chocolate]

Its insane to even compare them.

Mo Harkless is 4 years into a 6pt 3reb career distinguished by absolutely nothing. Not only is he a backup level talent, but he's not even one with a calling card.

Agreed

 

[bajaden]

This isn't worth arguing about, is it? I don't know what is going on and it doesn't seem difficult to solve. As it isn't being solved, I suspect Rudy is on his way out. The last thing I want to debate is word games. I see too much of it and regret getting involved in this. Peace, bajaden. Life is too short.

Peace be with you amigo.

 

[Npliam]

so talent trumps heart, passion and effort? I didn't know that's the direction the team is continuing to stay upon.

It pretty much does. I promise I work harder than most NBA players when. I play. Care to guess why I am not in the NBA?

 

[King Baller]

Sign Beno, Chalmers or Cole. Call Rudy and say "We love you man!" Tell Kosta and Ben to be ready for November. LETS GO KINGS!!!

 

[White_Chocolate]

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Since making comments on Monday about the Kings organization lacking stability, Rudy Gay has since met with Vlade Divac.


Probably a good thing.

 

[kingsboi]

It pretty much does. I promise I work harder than most NBA players when. I play. Care to guess why I am not in the NBA?

because you don't have the combination of both, maybe?

 

[kingsboi]

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Since making comments on Monday about the Kings organization lacking stability, Rudy Gay has since met with Vlade Divac.


Probably a good thing.

immediately followed by a trade of Rudy

 

[White_Chocolate]

immediately followed by a trade of Rudy

If it is a good trade I would be more than happy.

 

[John Galt]

http://www.abc10.com/sports/nba/sac...-frustrations-with-sacramento-kings/283778765

You really should watch the whole thing - a great candid interview. At first I thought it was pretty positive and the little tweet-quote by Sean was out of context, but when you watch Rudy's body language - looking away in parts - I read between the lines that it's DeMarcus or him - that probably Ailene is closer to the truth than we want to think.

He keeps dancing around "I could pinpoint one thing, but I won't" - and "there is a little more time to fix it"... I think it is believable that he thinks DeMarcus is the problem and wants away from him.

He also says in reply to a question about how the team might come together under Joerger "with THIS team, you never know". And he praises McLemore.

"I lead by example.. I'm not like Cuz, I'm not just gonna blaht out whatever..."

I think he doesn't get along with DMC... could be wrong

 

[ockingsfan]

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Since making comments on Monday about the Kings organization lacking stability, Rudy Gay has since met with Vlade Divac.


Probably a good thing.

Something tells me Rudy will not be traded, not until the February trade deadline at least.

First off, his trade value is at an all time low, with his comments about the team. Vlade is not going to trade Rudy at a deep discount.

Sans a free agent point guard pick up, like Beno, toney Douglas or Norris Cole, I think the kings go into next season with the players currently on the roster.

PF WCS / tolliver/ skal
Sf Gay/ casspi / Barnes
C DMC/ kk / papa
SG afflalo / Barnes/ McClemore
Pg collison / temple / fa- beno

 

[KingsFanGER]

Its insane to even compare them.

Mo Harkless is 4 years into a 6pt 3reb career distinguished by absolutely nothing. Not only is he a backup level talent, but he's not even one with a calling card.

Mo Harkless posted a 11pt, 5reb, 1stl in 24mpg playoff performance this year, while guarding the MVP of this league for extended minutes.
Obviously his problem is, that he isn't a reliable three point shooter. If he ever improves his jumpshot to even sligthly below league average, he is easily starting material, with his calling card being defense, rebounding and off ball movement.
He agreed to a 4 year 40million contract. We on the other hand, gave Temple a 3 year 24million contract (with the 3rd being a player option Temple will most likely take, because he will be 32 years old and most likely won't get another big contract).
Temple is 30 years old, with no upside, who is 12 years in a 4,5ppg, 1,4 rpg career.

When compared to Rudy it's clear, who has more talent. But Crowder isn't regarded as one of the better SF's, because he is so talented. Carroll didn't get paid by the Raptors, because he is so talented. Danny Green isn't one of the best wing defenders of this league, because he is so talented. And the list of players, who are way less talented than Rudy, but trump his impact on the floor isn't a short one.
Now if Rudy would buy in and finally play all out, with hustle and heart, we wouldn't have this kind of conversation, because Rudy has all the tools to be a great defender on top of being a good isolation scorer. But year after year after year Rudy decides not to go all out. Now he gives and interview, where he pretty much blames everyone but himself. Does this sound like a guy willing to give his all on the court next season?
I had a lengthy debate with KingMilz over Rudy Gay in the past. I always defended him, always said, he has all the tools to be what we needed him to be - a two way impact player. I always said the situations in Memphis and Toronto and the fact they got better after Rudy left weren't his fault or were much more complicated than "You can't win with Rudy Gay!". But as much as it hurts, I think KingMilz was right. Yes I still think Rudy has all the tools to be what we need most. But I don't think it will ever happen.

Obviously you need a lot of talent to even be an NBA player. Outside of Kendrik Perkins there aren't many guys, who aren't talented in the NBA. So basically I think Kingsboi has it right - in this case heart, hustle and passion may trump pure talent.

 

[IfAt1st]

http://www.abc10.com/sports/nba/sac...-frustrations-with-sacramento-kings/283778765

You really should watch the whole thing - a great candid interview. At first I thought it was pretty positive and the little tweet-quote by Sean was out of context, but when you watch Rudy's body language - looking away in parts - I read between the lines that it's DeMarcus or him - that probably Ailene is closer to the truth than we want to think.

I didn't read any of that between the lines (for a comparison, I read a LOT between the lines on the Kosta interview awhile back).

As this Rudy interview went along, he became more and more inscutable.
Man, this guy plays everything WAY close to his chest.
It's like he prides himself on being the too-cool-for-school, above-the-drama type of guy.

 

[Bricklayer]

Obviously you need a lot of talent to even be an NBA player. Outside of Kendrik Perkins there aren't many guys, who aren't talented in the NBA. So basically I think Kingsboi has it right - in this case heart, hustle and passion may trump pure talent.

No, in this case they don't.

Mo Harkless is half a step from scrub. But as usual people lose their minds everytime somebody has a good series in the playoffs.

Now you want to talk about an actual impact roleplayer? An elite roleplayer? Hey, maybe we can talk. Crowder was last year. Bradley. Grindfather is getting old, but he was such a guy. They exist. But Mo Harkless? He hasn't done anything in this league. Even his alleged defense is mostly just something people have made up over this summer because they figure there must be SOMETHING there they are missing. There's almost no statistical or oncourt evidence of it beforehand. He's got solid size and he tries. He's not a liability. Woopdideedo. His career defensive rating is 107. In 4 years in the league his career on/off says that teams are slightly better defensively with him on the bench. He's a decent steal/shotblock SF, but then again, so is Rudy. He doesn't particularly rebound. He was 215th in DRPM last year, well behind Rudy himself (#175), as well as defensive stalwarts such as Monta Ellis and Dirk Nowitzki. He'll be in the league for another 4 years because the Blazers assured his future, but 10 years from now nobody will remember who he was. He's a very marginal talent. And you're right, his future in the league depends on whether he can develop a three to give teams an excuse.

 

[KingsFanGER]

No, in this case they don't.

Mo Harkless is half a step from scrub. But as usual people lose their minds everytime somebody has a good series in the playoffs.

Now you want to talk about an actual impact roleplayer? An elite roleplayer? Hey, maybe we can talk. Crowder was last year. Bradley. Grindfather is getting old, but he was such a guy. They exist. But Mo Harkless? He hasn't done anything in this league. Even his alleged defense is mostly just something people have made up over this summer because they figure there must be SOMETHING there they are missing. There's almost no statistical or oncourt evidence of it beforehand. He's got solid size and he tries. He's not a liability. Woopdideedo. His career defensive rating is 107. In 4 years in the league his career on/off says that teams are slightly better defensively with him on the bench. He's a decent steal/shotblock SF, but then again, so is Rudy. He doesn't particularly rebound. He was 215th in DRPM last year, well behind Rudy himself (#175), as well as defensive stalwarts such as Monta Ellis and Dirk Nowitzki. He'll be in the league for another 4 years because the Blazers assured his future, but 10 years from now nobody will remember who he was. He's a very marginal talent. And you're right, his future in the league depends on whether he can develop a three to give teams an excuse.

Half a step from a scrub. Pretty harsh statement Brick. As usual you talk down everyone not widely considered elite roleplayer or star without taking into account, that the Kings have no chance of aquiring guys already fully developed (see Courtney Lee to the Knicks f.e.).
Two years before now, what did you think of Jae Crowder? Borderline scrub and an afterthought in a terrible Rajon Rondo trade by Danny Ainge?
What did you think of Demarre Carroll, before his trade to the Hawks or when Danny Green was sent to the D-league by the Spurs?
It's really easy to just act like there are only established players and scrubs in the league, but it's not that black and white.
Harkless will never be a star, it remains to be seen, if he can replicate his production of last season, when he was promoted to a starter by the Blazers. It remains to be seen, if he can expand his skillset a bit.
If he can do that, he is pretty much the perfect fit for a young, athletic team with dominant guards to set him up.
Would he fit next to DMC and with a below average guardline in DC and AA? I don't know, but Rudy Gay with his mid range ISO game and lackluster defense is not a great fit either.
Now with the addition of Evan Turner Harkless will maybe backing up the SF/PF and SG/PG (only on the defensive end) position for the Blazers depending on matchups.
A 6'9 guy who can defend 4 positions is not a marginal talent. And if you think Harkless is only "not a liability" on defense, you should maybe watch a few Blazers games of the past season, because the guy is pretty much their best perimeter defender due to his length and footspeed. There may be a reason Terry Stotts went with Harkless versus Paul, Thompson or Curry in the Playoffs.

 

[NewArena]

Bye

 

[NewArena]

Nice article by James Ham:

Quote from Vlade: “Look, I was a player, 16-17 years in the league, nobody called me everyday and tell me what management is doing,” Divac said. “Management was doing their job. If something big happened, they called and told me. Obviously, nothing big happened (so) I’m not going to call anybody.”

Link---> http://www.csnbayarea.com/kings/divac-responds-rudy-gays-comments-he-has-my-number

By the way Vlade also said: "He has my number."

lmao i love Vlade, im sorry. this was the perfect, most real response I've seen in a while

 

[NewArena]

While he certainly was anything but tactful, I'm on team Vlade on this one.

Rudy just threw the FO under the bus, because he's not...... what? On the inner circle? Egoism at its finest, especially if Vlade was already forthcoming enough to let him know they're looking to trade him.

And then those other quotes about how he basically didn't give a **** last season? I get it, Karl sucked, but Rudy was just as sucktastic.

Dude is passive aggressive AF. We don't need these kinda personalities in the locker room. Cuz is enough of a handful, but at least he brings it on the court.

exactly. who the hell is Rudy Gay to be demanding that someone rub his back and feed him grapes? kick rocks

 

[Glenn]

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Since making comments on Monday about the Kings organization lacking stability, Rudy Gay has since met with Vlade Divac.
Probably a good thing.

Indeedy doo. Players are human and each needs a different approach.

I can now take back my comment that Vivac was being ignorant.

 

[dude12]

@stevekylerNBA: No... Kings have sniffed around on deals, but do not seem serious about making one, hence why Rudy is annoyed. https://t.co/jN0AlilEkf

@stevekylerNBA: Lets be clear - "serious" talks happen after both sides agree in interest for a deal. Kings still not there yet. https://t.co/Q9vpN3K45E

Also saw a tweet right next to this one that Houston is interested in Rudy but then followed by the above tweet. Not sure how much is true.

 

[whozit]

http://www.abc10.com/sports/nba/sac...-frustrations-with-sacramento-kings/283778765

You really should watch the whole thing - a great candid interview. At first I thought it was pretty positive and the little tweet-quote by Sean was out of context, but when you watch Rudy's body language - looking away in parts - I read between the lines that it's DeMarcus or him - that probably Ailene is closer to the truth than we want to think.

He keeps dancing around "I could pinpoint one thing, but I won't" - and "there is a little more time to fix it"... I think it is believable that he thinks DeMarcus is the problem and wants away from him.

He also says in reply to a question about how the team might come together under Joerger "with THIS team, you never know". And he praises McLemore.

"I lead by example.. I'm not like Cuz, I'm not just gonna blaht out whatever..."

I think he doesn't get along with DMC... could be wrong

I'm hoping your wrong in terms of Cousins. He did have the one comment about Cuz but that was in the context about him, Gay, being more outspoken.

In terms of Gay's body language, he seemed he was looking around more when talking about talking to Divac. I'm only guessing but I suspect he may be embarrassed that he gave that interview and said what he said. He followed up by saying something along the lines that it was good he could call.

His praise on McLemore was in the context that he hoped that the team would develop the youth better. The Kings have sucked in the development aspect.

 

[White_Chocolate]

@stevekylerNBA: No... Kings have sniffed around on deals, but do not seem serious about making one, hence why Rudy is annoyed. https://t.co/jN0AlilEkf

@stevekylerNBA: Lets be clear - "serious" talks happen after both sides agree in interest for a deal. Kings still not there yet. https://t.co/Q9vpN3K45E

Also saw a tweet right next to this one that Houston is interested in Rudy but then followed by the above tweet. Not sure how much is true.

Houston has a few pieces that intrigue me (Beverly, Ariza, McDaniels, Harrel). If we could net Beverly + McDaniels/Harrel I would be moderately pleased. I know most would want to do a Beverly +Ariza for Gay+ McLemore type deal, but I doubt Houston would do that.

 

[bajaden]

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Since making comments on Monday about the Kings organization lacking stability, Rudy Gay has since met with Vlade Divac.


Probably a good thing.

As reminded in an article I read this morning, referring back to Joerger's introductory press conference, Vlade said, going forward, your either with us, or you not!!!! I doubt he appreciated Gay unloading to the press when he's trying to keep things at a low profile. I like Gay, and if he's willing to adjust, I think he could fit in with this team. It might not be a perfect fit, but no team is perfect. The question is, does he want to? If not, then he has to go. Vlade is trying to change the culture of the team and I think he's had enough of going into a new season with players, coaches, or management at odds with one another.