George Karl, Mark Jackson or ??? (merged)

[Boogie-havoc]

My fear is the ego of the FO will beat the logic, and make them not hire Karl due to him trying to sway the public opinion on social networks.

Not that any swaying is needed, what needed to be done is bright as day.

But this ownership and front office looks to me like total ego-maniacs who want total and utter control, and show everyone they are the ones incharge. So needless to say I'm extremely worried about them just saying "screw you" to Karl.

 

[kingjatt]

Chris Broussard@Chris_Broussardabout 36 minutes ago
Sources reiterate that Ty Corbin will be given legit opportunity to coach & stabilize the Kings

This is terrible to see.

Funny how we were perfectly stable and now we need to be stablized.

An established coach will not be coming here anytime soon. This FO wants things on the court run by their direction and all good/great coaches want to be left alone to do their jobs because ultimately they are judged on their performance. If they are being judged on how they perform they want to have complete control of what they do. With Viveks silly ideas and Petes nerdy tendancies and baseless ego it wont be long before the likes of Karl arent even interested anymore.

Eventually Vivek will learn that this is not a tech company and he must let the basketball lifers/professionals like Malone do their jobs and for him to just write checks in order to bring success to Sacramento. We have undeniably taken a big step back with this firing and not hiring Karl.

This is a lost season and whats most frustrating is that it totally did not have to be. We are going to have to sit back and watch Mullin/PDA fail and be fired along with Vivek learning the hard way that he doesnt have a clue on how to win in this league before we will taste any type of success.

This year is already looking like last year with 90% of the team in trade rumors and guys losing focus. You cant place much blame on the players for losing, the FO has created an enviroment where they can be gone at anytime, more and more of them will be going out their looking out for themselves instead of playing for each other.

 

[Darth Divac]

Mr. George Karl:

 

[ockingsfan]

Chris Broussard@Chris_Broussardabout 36 minutes ago
Sources reiterate that Ty Corbin will be given legit opportunity to coach & stabilize the Kings

This is terrible to see.

Let's be honest. All this means is Ty Corbin will be allowed to finish out the season and Chris Mullin will be the next head coach. They probably also guaranteed Ty Corbin an assistant coaching position with the next coach.

But short of the Kings making it to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Ty Corbin is just keeping the seat warm for Chris Mullin until the summer.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Let's be honest. All this means is Ty Corbin will be allowed to finish out the season and Chris Mullin will be the next head coach. They probably also guaranteed Ty Corbin an assistant coaching position with the next coach.

But short of the Kings making it to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Ty Corbin is just keeping the seat warm for Chris Mullin until the summer.

which is just disgusting.

 

[John Galt]

Let's be honest. All this means is Ty Corbin will be allowed to finish out the season and Chris Mullin will be the next head coach. They probably also guaranteed Ty Corbin an assistant coaching position with the next coach.

But short of the Kings making it to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Ty Corbin is just keeping the seat warm for Chris Mullin until the summer.

which is just really really really disgusting

 

[Sac.Kings]

This is one of the worst seasons I have ever experienced. If we didn't come out of the gate winning then this would be a run of the mill sort of thing but we were doing so well. Maybe we are that franchise that can never get out of its own way?

 

[Ugolino]

ok, now I'm officially disgusted. I feel sorry for season ticket holders.

 

[Ugolino]

Let's be honest. All this means is Ty Corbin will be allowed to finish out the season and Chris Mullin will be the next head coach. They probably also guaranteed Ty Corbin an assistant coaching position with the next coach.

But short of the Kings making it to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Ty Corbin is just keeping the seat warm for Chris Mullin until the summer.

Hardly a comforting thought.

 

[gunks]

I'm getting pretty close to jumping ship.

Vivek sucks, PDA sucks, being a Kings fan sucks. There are more important things going on than watching a train wreck.

Thank God the Seahawks are killing it

 

[John Galt]

Hoping the Corbin talk is part of Karl negotiations .... Fingers crossed

 

[kingjatt]

Hoping the Corbin talk is part of Karl negotiations .... Fingers crossed

All indications are that they are not talking to Karl. Landing Karl is basically a hail mary at this point.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Hoping the Corbin talk is part of Karl negotiations .... Fingers crossed

That's my take. Karl has likely been able to get a lot of leverage from the public outcries in his favor (if he does get hired, how long before AV gets an exclusive interview after she wrote that fawning column?). The FO is trying to look like they're not desperate, and see if they can bring his $ demands down a bit.

 

[rainmaker]

That's my take. Karl has likely been able to get a lot of leverage from the public outcries in his favor (if he does get hired, how long before AV gets an exclusive interview after she wrote that fawning column?). The FO is trying to look like they're not desperate, and see if they can bring his $ demands down a bit.

Well they're going about it the wrong way, as 1-3 and giving up 110+ PPG since Malone's firing is giving Karl more ammo for negotiations.

This is a complete mess with the fanbase either angry or even worse, losing interest and as it continues Karl will only gain leverage. Why? The Kings need Karl more than Karl needs the Kings. It's not just about attempting to save the season and remaining competitive, at this point it's also about saving face and repairing a reputation before the arena is half empty and repairing an image nationally where Vivek is now the butt of NBA owner jokes.

 

[VF21]

Let's be honest. All this means is Ty Corbin will be allowed to finish out the season and Chris Mullin will be the next head coach. They probably also guaranteed Ty Corbin an assistant coaching position with the next coach.

But short of the Kings making it to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Ty Corbin is just keeping the seat warm for Chris Mullin until the summer.

And once again, I'll point out that there's NO indication Mullin wants the job. Why would he? He's in the perfect spot right now - he has the owner's ear and he sits in the greatest seats in the arena to watch the action.

Not everybody wants to coach.

 

[jcwkings]

Its obvious that the Malone firing was a power move by PDA. Two differing philosophies, one had to eventually go. PDA took the first chance that came to him(Cousins injury) to justify it. No plan after the fact, just a move to save his own behind. I just want to punch that Gerbil square in the nose.

 

[rainmaker]

And once again, I'll point out that there's NO indication Mullin wants the job. Why would he? He's in the perfect spot right now - he has the owner's ear and he sits in the greatest seats in the arena to watch the action.

Not everybody wants to coach.

Chris Mullin is resisting the invitation to make an in-season move from an advisory role to the bench of the Sacramento Kings, according to NBA coaching sources.

Sources told ESPN.com that Kings owner Vivek Ranadive has spent much of the past 24 hours lobbying Mullin to replace the fired Mike Malone despite his lack of NBA coaching experience. But sources say Mullin has reservations about making such a leap in the middle of the season, without the benefit of training camp or the time to assemble a veteran-laden coaching staff like Steve Kerr has as a rookie head coach at Golden State.

Sources say that Mullin, in recent months, has expressed some interest to associates about trying his hand at coaching down the road. But if he can ultimately be persuaded to take the Kings job, sources say, chances are far greater that it would happen going into next season.


You sure that qualifies as "NO indication"? Actually, it appears to be direct evidence of the point you're arguing against, and it's ESPN, not some random blogger.

 

[Albatros]

I'm starting to get the rage that they're not sounding out George Karl, It actually defies reason and logic whatever you think of his style of play (hint, the style of play they want)

Nothing will surprise now, Mullin walking into the job included.

 

[VF21]

You sure that qualifies as "NO indication"? Actually, it appears to be direct evidence of the point you're arguing against, and it's ESPN, not some random blogger.

It's hearsay evidence. What you're quoting are SOURCES that say there are indications that Mullin might want to try his hand at coaching at some point. And I'm sorry, but just because it says ESPN (more fondly known around here for years as BSPN in case you've forgotten) doesn't make it true.

If Mullin truly wanted the job, it would have been his by now. If anything, I think Mullin is more in tune with fan reactions and he's probably not willing to jump into crap creek right now.

 

[VF21]

Its obvious that the Malone firing was a power move by PDA. Two differing philosophies, one had to eventually go. PDA took the first chance that came to him(Cousins injury) to justify it. No plan after the fact, just a move to save his own behind. I just want to punch that Gerbil square in the nose.

If that's true - and I'm not saying it's not - then Vivek left the final decision up to PDA. If that is indeed the case, then it would not seem logical that Vivek would then usurp PDA's power and anoint Mullin.

Bottom line for me is there's a lot of manipulation and chicanery going on right now. I'm not a negative person but this whole thing has me incredibly depressed. The only way it will make sense is if they bring in a coach of the caliber of George Karl. Anybody lesser - such as Chris Mullin - and I suspect every single bit of the positive vibe the new ownership had earned will be gone. And I don't think that's how they want to approach the first year of the new arena. If their season ticket holders revolt, they're in deep doo-doo.

 

[Sam0ah]

If that's true - and I'm not saying it's not - then Vivek left the final decision up to PDA. If that is indeed the case, then it would not seem logical that Vivek would then usurp PDA's power and anoint Mullin.

Bottom line for me is there's a lot of manipulation and chicanery going on right now. I'm not a negative person but this whole thing has me incredibly depressed. The only way it will make sense is if they bring in a coach of the caliber of George Karl. Anybody lesser - such as Chris Mullin - and I suspect every single bit of the positive vibe the new ownership had earned will be gone. And I don't think that's how they want to approach the first year of the new arena. If their season ticket holders revolt, they're in deep doo-doo.

I totally agree with this. I had such hopes at the beginning of the season. It seemed like the team was moving in the right direction. Not everything was perfect, but Malone had things moving in the right direction. I tried to get behind why they fired Malone, but now seeing how the team is playing. It shows how much of a horrible mistake it was to fire Malone, because he was truly getting the best out of his players.

 

[Livinthedream]

No matter how you cut it, this was a PR blunder that the FO is too stubborn or are unprepared to fix.

If you want to fire a guy who is having success, you have to leak the fact that he's not getting along with ownership. I don't like the practice, but it serves a purpose. You've prepared the players and fan base ahead of time and the shock value goes away.

PDA essentially cost himself his job for poor management of the firing. Reminds me of when Westphal released his statement on Cousins with the support of management and then was fired. We keep saying that Corbin is just playing out the season. Well PDA might be doing the same.

 

[rainmaker]

It's hearsay evidence. What you're quoting are SOURCES that say there are indications that Mullin might want to try his hand at coaching at some point. And I'm sorry, but just because it says ESPN (more fondly known around here for years as BSPN in case you've forgotten) doesn't make it true.

I'm well aware of ESPN's track record, I was just disputing you claiming there's "NO indication", which there obviously is. Whether or not it's true is YTBD and a different topic. The only thing proven to be true in all of this is Malone was fired and there was no replacement lined up at the time of the firing.

But almost everything we're discussing are rumors/hearsay through "sources". Can't dismiss one rumor from ESPN, then support another from ESPN about Ty being given "every chance".

 

[Bricklayer]

If that's true - and I'm not saying it's not - then Vivek left the final decision up to PDA. If that is indeed the case, then it would not seem logical that Vivek would then usurp PDA's power and anoint Mullin.

Bottom line for me is there's a lot of manipulation and chicanery going on right now. I'm not a negative person but this whole thing has me incredibly depressed. The only way it will make sense is if they bring in a coach of the caliber of George Karl. Anybody lesser - such as Chris Mullin - and I suspect every single bit of the positive vibe the new ownership had earned will be gone. And I don't think that's how they want to approach the first year of the new arena. If their season ticket holders revolt, they're in deep doo-doo.

I sense some reverse hot potatoeing going on. Unbelievably to basically the entire NBA community, they were actually proud/triumphant when they first made the move, and it seemed like everybody wanted to own it. Now nobody wants to own it.

 

[funkykingston]

Here's the part that galls me most - there has been NO legitimate reason for Malone's firing 24 games into the season. NONE.

• The players loved Malone.
• They were exceeding any reasonable person's expectations to start the season
• He had Cousins' respect and vice versa.
• They were playing tough, aggressive defense which gave them a shot each night
• Young players (Ben especially) were growing under Malone's watch

When the GM comes out and says, "it isn't about wins and losses, it's about style of play" then my BS detector goes off. Tyrone Corbin isn't a bad coach but at best it's a lateral move and that's AFTER the huge disruption that firing a coach popular with the players causes.

I guess I'm old school. The GM's job is to assemble a roster. The coach's job is to coach and put his team in a position to succeed. The owner's job is to write checks and hire the people that perform the important functions for the franchise. And ideally they'd work hand in hand. That apparently wasn't the case here, but the roster D'Alessandro put together (outside of a disappointing bench) was having success with Malone coaching them. WHY ON EARTH wouldn't you let Malone finish out the season and THEN replace him if you felt that strongly about it?

Is there absolutely anyone who believes that the team will be better off THIS season replacing Malone a third of the way in and letting Corbin finish the season?

I'm pretty close to checking out on this season. I'll always watch games when time allows because I'm a dyed in the wool Kings fan. But my emotional investment in this team is waning at the moment. That may not make me a good fan, but in my opinion there's only so many gobsmackingly bad moves that I can tolerate before I realize the thing I want to provide me entertainment and escape from the stresses of real life is becoming too much of a source of stress in and of itself.

So incredibly frustrating.

 

[Padrino]

I sense some reverse hot potatoeing going on. Unbelievably to basically the entire NBA community, they were actually proud/triumphant when they first made the move, and it seemed like everybody wanted to own it. Now nobody wants to own it.

indeed. beyond being upset by the clueless hubris of it all, i found it disconcerting that the front office and vivek seemed so unusually proud of their decision to impatiently fire mike malone without a clear plan for replacement, as if they were expecting accolades from league insiders and adulation from kings fans, as if nobody was going to see right through the fact that d'allesandro waited until the kings were mired in a losing streak without their mvp to dump a head coach who had earned the trust of his players and was finding success despite the clear limitations of the very roster that d'allesandro has assembled. it doesn't take a sports journalist or a "die hard fan" to interpret the move as anything less than a head-scratcher, and a grand total of nobody outside of the kings' FO was prepared to declare it a triumph...

 

[miltonap]

Here's the part that galls me most - there has been NO legitimate reason for Malone's firing 24 games into the season. NONE.

• The players loved Malone.
• They were exceeding any reasonable person's expectations to start the season
• He had Cousins' respect and vice versa.
• They were playing tough, aggressive defense which gave them a shot each night
• Young players (Ben especially) were growing under Malone's watch

When the GM comes out and says, "it isn't about wins and losses, it's about style of play" then my BS detector goes off. Tyrone Corbin isn't a bad coach but at best it's a lateral move and that's AFTER the huge disruption that firing a coach popular with the players causes.

I guess I'm old school. The GM's job is to assemble a roster. The coach's job is to coach and put his team in a position to succeed. The owner's job is to write checks and hire the people that perform the important functions for the franchise. And ideally they'd work hand in hand. That apparently wasn't the case here, but the roster D'Alessandro put together (outside of a disappointing bench) was having success with Malone coaching them. WHY ON EARTH wouldn't you let Malone finish out the season and THEN replace him if you felt that strongly about it?

Is there absolutely anyone who believes that the team will be better off THIS season replacing Malone a third of the way in and letting Corbin finish the season?

I'm pretty close to checking out on this season. I'll always watch games when time allows because I'm a dyed in the wool Kings fan. But my emotional investment in this team is waning at the moment. That may not make me a good fan, but in my opinion there's only so many gobsmackingly bad moves that I can tolerate before I realize the thing I want to provide me entertainment and escape from the stresses of real life is becoming too much of a source of stress in and of itself.

So incredibly frustrating.

Agree 100%. I've started to not think about it because it doesn't make sense to me and I need things to make sense. When things make absolutely no sense, it just stresses me out and makes me angry and I don't need that. I'm just hoping that they fix this mess asap. Hiring Karl would be a good start.

In the meantime, I'm just letting whatever happens happen. PDA is on the hot seat no doubt about it.

 

[Padrino]

WHY ON EARTH wouldn't you let Malone finish out the season and THEN replace him if you felt that strongly about it?

Is there absolutely anyone who believes that the team will be better off THIS season replacing Malone a third of the way in and letting Corbin finish the season?

the potential answers to your questions are the ones that frighten me the most about d'allesandro's decision-making, as well as vivek's purported trust in him; the firing of mike malone seems to underscore a rather serious insecurity within the front office. it would absolutely seem logical to let malone finish out the season as head coach unless d'allesandro was so frightened by the early success the kings' had with "grit and grind" that he knew he had to fire malone while he had the chance, because heaven forbid malone coached this team to within shouting distance of a playoff berth using a style of play that the front office disapproves of. it becomes impossible to justify firing a head coach in such an instance, especially when he's being given significant credit for demarcus cousins' development and his team's overall success. again, it's insecurity, and more importantly, it emphasizes to the fans that winning is not a priority. the fans will abandon the team over that kinduva "strategy" in a hurry. my hope is this: as the opening of the new arena nears, the kings will continue to receive media attention, and eventually vivek is going to have to hold his gm accountable for the mess that's been made of this team...

 

[randymoss1881]

George Karl ain't walking thought that door.

The sooner you realize the better Mullin is next GS winning will solidify this as fact.

 

[John Galt]

I wonder what Steph, Klay and the gang winning has to with old flat top groovin up slowly??

Of course they are winning they have damn good players.

Yep, here come ol flat top ....

I will not be renewing. It is a lot of damn money and tix will be neither hot nor scarce.