Kings active in trade talks?
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I would suspect that some of it depends on whether Gay opts out or not. If Gay doesn't opt out, the Kings payroll will be at 71.1 million, just 600 thousand below the luxury tax, and that's without resigning IT, or our 1st round pick for next season. There's no way to resign him without going over the luxury tax threshold. Now it likely would only be for one year, but it makes IT a lot more expensive than his salary.
Like the $11 mill for Tyreke Evans?
if gay doesn't opt out, i still think they eat the cost of re-signing thomas, unless it approaches the obscene. even if they're jumping up and down like idiots over their 2014 draft selection, as they were with mclemore, they just can't risk bleeding talent, and the chances of executing a sign-and-trade of thomas, as they did with tyreke evans, are pretty slim...
now, personally i think it's foolish to throw a bunch of money at an undersized chucker with an aversion to defense that edges you into luxury tax territory when you're a basement-dweller. it's why i was such a staunch proponent of shopping isaiah thomas as part of a larger package in advance of the deadline. after cousins and gay, and considering that the kings' 2014 draft pick can't be traded until draft day, isaiah thomas was the team's most valuable and movable asset, and they would have been selling at an all-time high...
the rumors were that IT could be had for the right deal, but i never got the sense that PDA was aggressively attempting to trade him. now he will likely have to ask his owner to swallow a luxury tax bill for a losing team. bummer for vivek, but i think he'll take it on the chin in the hopes that PDA will continue improving the team's competitive chances heading into next season...
now, personally i think it's foolish to throw a bunch of money at an undersized chucker with an aversion to defense that edges you into luxury tax territory when you're a basement-dweller. it's why i was such a staunch proponent of shopping isaiah thomas as part of a larger package in advance of the deadline. after cousins and gay, and considering that the kings' 2014 draft pick can't be traded until draft day, isaiah thomas was the team's most valuable and movable asset, and they would have been selling at an all-time high...
the rumors were that IT could be had for the right deal, but i never got the sense that PDA was aggressively attempting to trade him. now he will likely have to ask his owner to swallow a luxury tax bill for a losing team. bummer for vivek, but i think he'll take it on the chin in the hopes that PDA will continue improving the team's competitive chances heading into next season...
And therein lies my biggest issue with us basically not doing anything - a lack of continuity. Suffice to say you and I don't see him as a long-term (winning) solution next to Cousins and Gay as a starter, and I pray dearly that the FO doesn't either or we're doomed for a good number of years as a mediocre playoff team at best. IT is now playing for a contract even more, and I wouldn't blame him for jacking up shots and just trying to inflate his stats. Even if he does make an attempt to fit in, where does that leave us? We're still going to want to move him back to a 6th man role, so if I'm IT I'm asking why on earth I should bother deferring to Cousins and Gay. Better I get my stats now - "worst case" is I get resigned as a 6th man. Best case is some other team signs me to a bigger contract as a starter.
What I wanted was some kind of certainty so that we could start building a team going forward. Right now there are still so many things that are uncertain. Rome wasn't built in a day, but if we finish this season and all we have to show for it is acquiring (which isn't even certain mind you) Rudy Gay for the future then we're going to be well, well behind while other teams make good moves and actually play well. Look at the Phoenix Suns! How come they could turn things around so quickly? It's not so much a matter of us having no future, but rather at some point we have to get a core group of guys that we see as our future and start building around them! We're wasting precious time building chemistry and consistency while other teams aren't just standing still! Again, what have we accomplished this season beyond getting Rudy Gay? Absolutely nothing! Ben McLemore doesn't look promising, and in any case Malone's system doesn't even use his SGs much offensively so I don't even get the point of holding on so dearly to dear Ben.
Say the offseason comes round and we have somewhat of a perfect but realistic offseason. IT moves back to the bench, we get a starting PG somehow. Then it's going to take time and the same excuses are going to come around, that it takes time for chemistry to develop, that Ben's only in his 2nd year, that they've only had one proper training camp under Malone as a team, etc etc.
I'm just sick and tired of being told that we're a team just a year away from taking the NBA by storm, only to see us stand still year after year after year while other teams actually improve. We're not the only frikin team that has/had culture problems y'know? The Cavs and the 76ers positioned themselves to be playoff teams, but simply got screwed by Andrew Bynum. Have we put ourselves in a position to even be a playoff team?
What I wanted was some kind of certainty so that we could start building a team going forward. Right now there are still so many things that are uncertain. Rome wasn't built in a day, but if we finish this season and all we have to show for it is acquiring (which isn't even certain mind you) Rudy Gay for the future then we're going to be well, well behind while other teams make good moves and actually play well. Look at the Phoenix Suns! How come they could turn things around so quickly? It's not so much a matter of us having no future, but rather at some point we have to get a core group of guys that we see as our future and start building around them! We're wasting precious time building chemistry and consistency while other teams aren't just standing still! Again, what have we accomplished this season beyond getting Rudy Gay? Absolutely nothing! Ben McLemore doesn't look promising, and in any case Malone's system doesn't even use his SGs much offensively so I don't even get the point of holding on so dearly to dear Ben.
Say the offseason comes round and we have somewhat of a perfect but realistic offseason. IT moves back to the bench, we get a starting PG somehow. Then it's going to take time and the same excuses are going to come around, that it takes time for chemistry to develop, that Ben's only in his 2nd year, that they've only had one proper training camp under Malone as a team, etc etc.
I'm just sick and tired of being told that we're a team just a year away from taking the NBA by storm, only to see us stand still year after year after year while other teams actually improve. We're not the only frikin team that has/had culture problems y'know? The Cavs and the 76ers positioned themselves to be playoff teams, but simply got screwed by Andrew Bynum. Have we put ourselves in a position to even be a playoff team?
You're right. They just keep getting better and better. Ok 6 games.
Ok 6 games.
Ben is a tough one to catch. Last night when we had no Thornton and the sky was the limit for him, he commits too many fouls right off and the bottom falls out of his playing time for the game. He has worked against his own future all year. He continues to have an open field opportunity for the rest of the season but I'm not confident he can make it work out for himself and the team. A young potential needs time, maybe years, to reach his potential but he also needs to tilt the development scale in a slightly upward direction. I haven't seen such signs yet.
First off, I think that's a terrible strategy but agree it might happen. Second point though which I haven't seen brought up is that if IT looks to move elsewhere do you really think PDA/Vivek would want to match? They have the ability to do so but also have shown they won't keep players who don't want to be here. Hell, they pulled the offer to Iggy off the table immediately because he wasn't fully committed to playing here. It appears they did the same with Rondo who wasn't committed to playing here. I think Vivek has actually said if a player isn't completely committed and doesn't give the answer he wants, he doesn't want that player here.
If IT is not committed to playing here and looks to move on, I don't see our FO based on their short track record bringing him back and matching despite his wishes and I do think he'll be looking at other offers after being in trade rumors.
If IT is not committed to playing here and looks to move on, I don't see our FO based on their short track record bringing him back and matching despite his wishes and I do think he'll be looking at other offers after being in trade rumors.
$11 mill as the price tag for a bench guy. That's a great comp. IT has to just love that... Not only was he in running for the 6th man of the year (when he was the sixth man), now he's a starter. Start at $11 mill and go up from there.
We'll see how it plays out. There just isn't enough history with this management team for me to make a prediction. They will be in a hurtin' place though if they don't resign IT and end up with someone worse.
Not only was he in running for the 6th man of the year (when he was the sixth man), now he's a starter. Start at $11 mill and go up from there.We'll see how it plays out. There just isn't enough history with this management team for me to make a prediction. They will be in a hurtin' place though if they don't resign IT and end up with someone worse.
$11 mill as the price tag for a bench guy. That's a great comp. IT has to just love that... Not only was he in running for the 6th man of the year (when he was the sixth man), now he's a starter. Start at $11 mill and go up from there.
We'll see how it plays out. There just isn't enough history with this management team for me to make a prediction. They will be in a hurtin' place though if they don't resign IT and end up with someone worse.
Not only was he in running for the 6th man of the year (when he was the sixth man), now he's a starter. Start at $11 mill and go up from there.We'll see how it plays out. There just isn't enough history with this management team for me to make a prediction. They will be in a hurtin' place though if they don't resign IT and end up with someone worse.
I won't say it's a wasted season first off the management has done away with so much of the waste land roster they inherited and locked up Cuz. From what i can make of it were waiting to see where we will pick in the draft before any more moves are done for example maybe we don't go forward with Gay if we pick up Wiggins or Parker or we trade JT if we can land Embiid ect ect.
That sounds like a line from the "Maloofs' manual for running a professional franchise"
In basketball terms, it serves no purpose what so ever. The money that we get is probably just slightly more than what the buyout is going to cost and we give up a 2nd rounder albeit heavily protected and unlikely to ever be conveyed.
In basketball terms, it serves no purpose what so ever. The money that we get is probably just slightly more than what the buyout is going to cost and we give up a 2nd rounder albeit heavily protected and unlikely to ever be conveyed.
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