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haha, Feierabendbier! Prost! :) Well it's an legitimate excuss because we don't even have german basketball on national tv. *sigh* and the international league pass is too expensive..

The argument that it would be better to spent the money on a rim protector is good.
But my idea is to get the rim protector by drafting Vonleh/Cauley-stein and use IT to get rid of either Thornton's or JT's contract. So we could spent about 12 million on Lance. But I'm not totally sure he's worth that money. Why would I do it? We solve our problem at the 2 by getting on of the best sgs in the game and (at least in theory) he works well with Jimmer and Ray McCallum (if Mac develops into a good perimeter defender) because he can handle and bring up the ball, has good court-vision and dishes out assist (just like the pacers do with him and Hill). aaaand we don't have to worry about sanders :)

P.S.: I'm not able to find the thread you mentioned via "search", sry
the thread is this one: http://www.kingsfans.com/threads/kings-should-sign-lance-stephenson-in-the-offseason.55085/

as for your plan, Thornton isn't that much of a long-term problem, since he's gone by 2015, giving IT away just to salary-dump him seems like an overpay. especially since we could've just as well kept Reke who's pretty much Stephenson's equal. nevermind that the Kings FO is unlikely to already give up on McLemore, no matter how bad he has looked recently. I'm also all for drafting a shotblocker, btw, it's just that I'd really like to have an established vet fullfilling that role in addition to the rook. Sanders is kind of a compromise, since, best case scenario, he gets back to last year's level of play and is young enough to grow next to Cuz as a kindred spirit aaaand you might still be able to keep your pick and can either get another defensive big as insurance or whoever is bpa at that point. worst case scenario is an apocalyptic hellscape where he and Demarcus start murdering refs and his contract becomes an asset so toxic not even a New York team would touch it. so, yeah, you better be sure about what you're doing there, I'd roll that dice, though.

and ILP really isn't that expensive. share it with someone and it's 10€ a month. the BBL presence on free TV sucks though, I agree. however, quite a few clubs have started streaming their games, you can look that up on the beko-bbl website, it's certainly better than nothing. Grüße aus Leipzig.
 
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So, you guys still don't want Reggie Jackson and Jeremy Lamb from OKC for IT? ;)
Jackson has 9 steals in 2 games lol
He brings more defensive awareness in 2 games than IT does in a year.
Lamb would thrive if he was a starter. Plus, we'd have a solid bench player if by some chance Ben Mac ended up being better than him
 
So, you guys still don't want Reggie Jackson and Jeremy Lamb from OKC for IT? ;)
Jackson has 9 steals in 2 games lol
He brings more defensive awareness in 2 games than IT does in a year.
Lamb would thrive if he was a starter. Plus, we'd have a solid bench player if by some chance Ben Mac ended up being better than him
The only players from OKC that will fit the Kings are Thabo & Serge, but they're off the table.
 
When your in a position like we are (dragged through the mud) we have to consider every possible angle as it pertains to trades minus our franchise center which leads me to my question. If we sell high on Rudy what kind of return could we get? Could we get fair value?
 

Tetsujin

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When your in a position like we are (dragged through the mud) we have to consider every possible angle as it pertains to trades minus our franchise center which leads me to my question. If we sell high on Rudy what kind of return could we get? Could we get fair value?
Not this year. Next year as a high performing massive expiring, You might be able to get a bit of a haul.

A bit early to be talking about trading our bonafide number 2 guy though.
 
expirings don't tend to have that much value any more though, especially not ones of that size and with a player that's actually talented attached.
Expiring contracts have always been overvalued by fans prior to a trade being consummated. Most expiring contracts simply expire without changing hands. However, if a deal is to be made then they can be extremely valuable. Personally I hope Gay will be here long term. Him and Cousins make a nice one-two combination.
 
Expiring contracts have always been overvalued by fans prior to a trade being consummated. Most expiring contracts simply expire without changing hands. However, if a deal is to be made then they can be extremely valuable. Personally I hope Gay will be here long term. Him and Cousins make a nice one-two combination.
I agree, I would love to keep Gay. It all depends on how much money he wants in an extension. As far as his value in a trade. I think there are a lot of teams that would love to have Gay, but not many that could trade anything close to equal value with him making 19 mil next season. Perhaps a team that wants to shed salary to rebuild through the draft and the following freeagency period, might be willing to give up some talent on longer term contracts. Just a matter of whether were interested in what their selling. I hate to say it, but it might just be a matter of letting him walk if we feel we can't pay him what he's asking.

So here's a scenario. After this season, the only two big contracts on the Lakers will be Kobe and Nash, and Nash for just one more year. So they'll have a ton of cap room. So if Gay opts out after this season, and the Lakers offer him lets say around 15 mil a year to start, and we offer him around the same amount, which team do you think he's going to choose? I could be wrong, but I suspect he'd choose the Lakers. I suppose he could fall in love with Sacramento and the Kings. But I wouldn't bet my house on it.
 

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I agree, I would love to keep Gay. It all depends on how much money he wants in an extension. As far as his value in a trade. I think there are a lot of teams that would love to have Gay, but not many that could trade anything close to equal value with him making 19 mil next season. Perhaps a team that wants to shed salary to rebuild through the draft and the following freeagency period, might be willing to give up some talent on longer term contracts. Just a matter of whether were interested in what their selling. I hate to say it, but it might just be a matter of letting him walk if we feel we can't pay him what he's asking.

So here's a scenario. After this season, the only two big contracts on the Lakers will be Kobe and Nash, and Nash for just one more year. So they'll have a ton of cap room. So if Gay opts out after this season, and the Lakers offer him lets say around 15 mil a year to start, and we offer him around the same amount, which team do you think he's going to choose? I could be wrong, but I suspect he'd choose the Lakers. I suppose he could fall in love with Sacramento and the Kings. But I wouldn't bet my house on it.
I don't know how attractive the lakers will be other than namesake. Nash struggles to be 1/2 of what he used to be and Kobe looks to injure his way through his last few seasons.
 
I don't know how attractive the lakers will be other than namesake. Nash struggles to be 1/2 of what he used to be and Kobe looks to injure his way through his last few seasons.
You could be right, but if you go on history, for some reason the lure of LA always seems to attract the best players. Anyway, I was just using it as an example. If you forget the 15 mil scenario, and lets assume that the Lakers will pay Gay 19 mil, then I don't think its an issue of where he would end up because I can't see us paying him that much. The Lakers have an image they have to protect, and they're usually willing to pay whatever it takes to keep the Jack Nicholsons of the world sitting in the front row. The Kings don't have billion dollar TV contracts to rely on.
 
So here's a scenario. After this season, the only two big contracts on the Lakers will be Kobe and Nash, and Nash for just one more year. So they'll have a ton of cap room. So if Gay opts out after this season, and the Lakers offer him lets say around 15 mil a year to start, and we offer him around the same amount, which team do you think he's going to choose? I could be wrong, but I suspect he'd choose the Lakers. I suppose he could fall in love with Sacramento and the Kings. But I wouldn't bet my house on it.
It's a highly legit concern which I have taken some heat for. If gay continues to play like he has there will be a strong market for him as soon as this summer. Most objective outsiders in this scenario would at least question how strong gays ties would be to our particular market. The overriding sentiment here is if Rudy will be restricted in some sort of way and it will only be our choice if he re-ups
 
I agree, I would love to keep Gay. It all depends on how much money he wants in an extension. As far as his value in a trade. I think there are a lot of teams that would love to have Gay, but not many that could trade anything close to equal value with him making 19 mil next season. Perhaps a team that wants to shed salary to rebuild through the draft and the following freeagency period, might be willing to give up some talent on longer term contracts. Just a matter of whether were interested in what their selling. I hate to say it, but it might just be a matter of letting him walk if we feel we can't pay him what he's asking.

So here's a scenario. After this season, the only two big contracts on the Lakers will be Kobe and Nash, and Nash for just one more year. So they'll have a ton of cap room. So if Gay opts out after this season, and the Lakers offer him lets say around 15 mil a year to start, and we offer him around the same amount, which team do you think he's going to choose? I could be wrong, but I suspect he'd choose the Lakers. I suppose he could fall in love with Sacramento and the Kings. But I wouldn't bet my house on it.
I agree. I might bet your house on it but like you, I won't bet mine. However, if he does opt out I would wonder if there is an "understanding" beforehand.
 

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Well if you are Rudy and you have been through what he has seen the past few seasons. He has to have in the back of his mind that he can't just go anywhere and be successful. Didn't work in Toronto at all. Yet he comes to kings and it seems so far that it fits like a glove and should know its really just the beginning. So does he take another risk on a team for big money and hope it works out or else he is stuck for 4 years. Or he could stay with kings for 4-5 years with the promise of an improving team around him. With himself and cousins front and center it isn't as hard attract a top player as it was with Kevin Martin as your franchise player.
 
Well if you are Rudy and you have been through what he has seen the past few seasons. He has to have in the back of his mind that he can't just go anywhere and be successful. Didn't work in Toronto at all. Yet he comes to kings and it seems so far that it fits like a glove and should know its really just the beginning. So does he take another risk on a team for big money and hope it works out or else he is stuck for 4 years. Or he could stay with kings for 4-5 years with the promise of an improving team around him. With himself and cousins front and center it isn't as hard attract a top player as it was with Kevin Martin as your franchise player.
Well hopefully its the latter. I guess we'll see. I quit trying to figure out what people, or animals for that matter, will do in certain situations.
 

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This year and possibly next, the two biggest market teams, Lakers and Knicks, are a mess and capped out. Their attractions are 2015-16 but a number of top tier players, Gay among them are 27-29 yr old and they have decision to make: big market and losing for year or two or small market and winning 2o14-15 and maybe contenting 2015-16. Not gonna happen to LA and NY. If Rudy blossoms this year, I see him staying awhile and making a deal that insures the Kings can get one more BIGGIE to fill out the 3 star scenario with a dynamite bench.

That means solving the PG and SG issue. JT is reaching his peak, maybe next year and DWill is only in his 3rd year as is Acy. So Sacramento, with a new arena, a really good building team and great owners and front office, have some big attractions vs. the Knicks owner/front office, the Laker owner/FO misery and Heat and Spurs fading out of the top tier. So, I'm gonna be patient and let PDA do his thing and see what surprises he can pull off.
 
I guess it all comes down to his frame of mind and how he is thinking. I wouldn't know Rudy the man from a bar of soap so I cannot comment.

If money is the most important thing to him, then he will choose the bright light of LA where he will have more of court opportunities. However, if he is more interested in what might be best for him in terms of basketball, he will choose Sacramento. Kobe has been the best SG since Jordan but he is on his last legs. He is in the twilight of his career. There is a lot of miles in those legs as is.

Then again it also depends on what LA does in bringing in other stars so all of a suddeen LA might look a lot more attractive than it does now
 

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This year and possibly next, the two biggest market teams, Lakers and Knicks, are a mess and capped out. Their attractions are 2015-16 but a number of top tier players, Gay among them are 27-29 yr old and they have decision to make: big market and losing for year or two or small market and winning 2o14-15 and maybe contenting 2015-16. Not gonna happen to LA and NY. If Rudy blossoms this year, I see him staying awhile and making a deal that insures the Kings can get one more BIGGIE to fill out the 3 star scenario with a dynamite bench.

That means solving the PG and SG issue. JT is reaching his peak, maybe next year and DWill is only in his 3rd year as is Acy. So Sacramento, with a new arena, a really good building team and great owners and front office, have some big attractions vs. the Knicks owner/front office, the Laker owner/FO misery and Heat and Spurs fading out of the top tier. So, I'm gonna be patient and let PDA do his thing and see what surprises he can pull off.
You are on a roll today. I think the fans of the Sacramento Kings can shed their low self esteem. I think very quickly if not already Sacramento is seen as a place to come. Let us remember that it is not the player who is the primary factor in deciding where a player goes but it is his agent. There are only so many agents and if I were PDA or Vivek, I'd be on the phone with these agents telling them what the plans are for the team. At the least, tell these agents to look at what is happening already. People will say we have picked up a contract that is way out of line in getting Gay but that is what a player or his agent likes. It is a sign to everyone worth being interested that this ownership is not a cheap ass bunch of playboys who firstly saw their team as a big toy and eventually saw it as a money drain but a hugely business oriented group of people not willing to take 2nd place as a goal and who are willing to do whatever they can to be #1.
 

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I guess it all comes down to his frame of mind and how he is thinking. I wouldn't know Rudy the man from a bar of soap so I cannot comment.

If money is the most important thing to him, then he will choose the bright light of LA where he will have more of court opportunities. However, if he is more interested in what might be best for him in terms of basketball, he will choose Sacramento. Kobe has been the best SG since Jordan but he is on his last legs. He is in the twilight of his career. There is a lot of miles in those legs as is.

Then again it also depends on what LA does in bringing in other stars so all of a sudden LA might look a lot more attractive than it does now
I think we have seen enough to know that Gay is concerned about how people view him. He apologized to the team a few days ago over a 12 point game as an example. I suspect even Rudy thinks he has enough money and is tired of being the punch line to a joke. He was seen at a Memphis college game with Boogie and that's a good sign. If the two movers and shakers on this team are friends, it may be a tough situation to give up.

Couple a friendship with a desire to rehab his image means we have a very good chance of keeping him. It wouldn't hurt to remind him of CWebb's experience here and what it did for him.
 
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I think Rudy finally appreciates playing next to a star player such as Cousins. Not to mention that they get along extremely well and have already become really good friends in such a short time. It's so obvious. Rarely do you see NBA players bond that quickly especially two established stars in the league. Usually they have to set their ego's aside but Cousins and Gay seemed to have done it from the get go.
I think Cousins appreciates having stars around him. Of course, he likes being the leader of the team but I think even if we drafted a Wiggins and played him at the 2 in the future, we'd see a great bonding between them 3…just a hunch

My prognosis: Gay stays in Sac. He doesn't seem like the LA type but I could be wrong.
 
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I think it's pretty obvious that we have to get rid of Jimmer (expiring), Thornton (waste of cap space) and IT (if he asks for too much money for a 6th man)
Package them up and get a pg/rim protector + veteran and we're set after draft (exum or Vonleh/Stein)
 

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This year and possibly next, the two biggest market teams, Lakers and Knicks, are a mess and capped out.
The Lakers are not capped out next year. They've only got about $34M committed (Kobe/Nash/Young). Obviously they've got a lot of work to do in the offseason, but they've got room for a big contract.
 

Tetsujin

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I think Rudy finally appreciates playing next to a star player such as Cousins. Not to mention that they get along extremely well and have already become really good friends in such a short time. It's so obvious. Rarely do you see NBA players bond that quickly especially two established stars in the league. Usually they have to set their ego's aside but Cousins and Gay seemed to have done it from the get go.
I think Cousins appreciates having stars around him. Of course, he likes being the leader of the team but I think even if we drafted a Wiggins and played him at the 2 in the future, we'd see a great bonding between them 3…just a hunch

My prognosis: Gay stays in Sac. He doesn't seem like the LA type but I could be wrong.
But would he want to play next to a player who, according to Twitter, made an obscene gesture to some drunk dude in the stands?
 
The Lakers are not capped out next year. They've only got about $34M committed (Kobe/Nash/Young). Obviously they've got a lot of work to do in the offseason, but they've got room for a big contract.
They will also have $11 million at most, after signing Rudy to $15 million, to pick starting PG, PF and C and that's assuming their 3rd big is Sacre, who is the 4th guy under contract for 2014/15. While you might pick stating PG for $3 million (and Blake is making $4 million), $8 million might give you two back up bigs, not starting quality. So in this scenario Lakers are end of the lottery team for next year with little room to improve during the season. Then you start 2015/16 season with 37 y.o. Kobe. Future is bright. And everybody forgetting that Kings can give 5th year, which is very important for a player's last big contract, and this actually gives them chance to reduce annual salary comparing to other offers. You're 28 y.o. Rudy Gay, which one you choose: $70 million over 5 years or $60 million over 4.
P.S. Of course, Rudy to Lakers becomes much closer to reality if S&T is forced, but Kings still hold all the cards in that scenario. Finally I don't believe he wants to get to LA: I remember he really enjoyed Memphis and was sad to leave.
 
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