Kings active in trade talks?

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

Seems a good bet given he mentioned Mirotic as well.

And the underlying point is certainly a possibility -- merely dumping Deng, who wanted too much money that they were not going to pay him this summer, does not necessarily mean they are going full rebuild. We want them to. A lot of weekend Warriors writing their columns say they will or should, but that doesn't mean the Bulls are thinking the same way. I'm hoping they are because that looks like a legit possibility for us. But they aren't stupid. Dump Noah for peanuts, and you could spend the next 5 years trying to find a guy to play that role as well.

Yeah, exactly my point.
I think we all forget that next year is a lottery when it comes to free agents. Freeing up cap space and bringing in cheap will allow the Bulls to make a big move next summer. I highly doubt they want to give up an established starter like Noah who gives them what they need on both ends of the court.
I could see the Bulls signing a Love type of player or someone in that quality range next summer and if Rose can by some chance come back healthy then they have a good team going forward along with Mirotic who can play the 3 and 4.

If the Bulls were sure that Rose was a goner then I feel like they would have been taking by now. Instead, they are still building around him.

 

[KingMilz]

I like our chances of getting Taj Gibson far more than Noah, can't see the Bulls pulling the plug on the heart of the team.

 

[Bricklayer]

the 76ers pick is lottery protected for this year, as well as next year, and becomes a 2nd rounder afterwards. so, it's a 2nd rounder, really. still an interesting deal for them, especially since they now have approximately 42 draft picks over the next few years.

remembering what Ainge did back in 2008 and thinking he might well keep Rondo as his new Pierce, and then try to do the same thing he did back then with all the picks/kids: i.e. try to trade stacks of them to bring in two new stars to put around Rondo. With all the stars piling themselves up in a handful of cities since 2008 though, not sure if enough are available to make it happen. Make a play for Love maybe if Minny fails and Love looks unhappy.

 

[Gary]

the 76ers pick is lottery protected for this year, as well as next year, and becomes a 2nd rounder afterwards. so, it's a 2nd rounder, really. still an interesting deal for them, especially since they now have approximately 42 draft picks over the next few years.

You forget in the East the 76ers could snag next years 7th or 8th seed with a .400 win%. But yah, it's essentially a 2nd rounder.

 

[Hallama]

Not sure what you are intending with that 2014 #1, but hope you aren't suggesting the Bulls would swap picks with us and give us Noah as well. If the Bulls trade Noah they are taking a dive. You couldn't get their #1 pick at that point for anything less than Cousins. Which is ok actually. There is a little bit of serendipity to having one of the few teams in the league with a perfect fit guy to put next to Cousins to suddenly make a trade acquiring our protected pick/most valuable trade asset.

No, not their pick. The pick they received from Cleveland originally from Sac, the protected one. Cancel that pick out.

But maybe the Pete'D could pull a fast one on the league by trading for that pick back, make the playoffs and be rewarded a post-lotto pick.

 

[bajaden]

AND the defense of a seasoned veteran too? With the blocks, and rebounds?

Sitting here with my laptop, killing time, waiting for a meeting, I have a question. Are you aware that Noah hasn't played an entire NBA season in his career. Out of 492 games possible, not counting this season, he's played in 396, or an average of 66 games a year. My point is, he's injury prone, and he turns 30 years of age on feb 25th. Do you think he's going to become less injury prone as he gets older. I'm not denying his talent. The problem is, keeping that talent on the floor. There are several players in the up coming draft that have great defensive potential, and if we pick anywhere within the top ten, were likely to get one of them. And yes, I can see any of them averaging close to what you posted. I doubt any of them, including Noah would average 10 plus boards while on the same team with Cousins. And guess what, you'd have a player that's either 19 or 20 years of age at a very cheap salary for four years. He's also be a player that could grow with the team, and not be too old when the team starts to come into is own in a couple of years. Gotta go!.

 

[jalfa]

remembering what Ainge did back in 2008 and thinking he might well keep Rondo as his new Pierce, and then try to do the same thing he did back then with all the picks/kids: i.e. try to trade stacks of them to bring in two new stars to put around Rondo. With all the stars piling themselves up in a handful of cities since 2008 though, not sure if enough are available to make it happen. Make a play for Love maybe if Minny fails and Love looks unhappy.

very likely, they have far too many picks to make all of them themselves. same situation as Phoenix is in, they're going to have to consolidate them into veteran talent at some point. makes sense that it's those two teams, too, seeing as how McDonough came from Boston and is an Ainge disciple.

You forget in the East the 76ers could snag next years 7th or 8th seed with a .400 win%. But yah, it's essentially a 2nd rounder.

it's a possibility, but with Sam Hinkie being hell-bent on doing the lottery thing for at least two years, it seems unlikely. remember when, at the beginning of the season, the 76ers had a good run, mostly due to other teams' unfamiliarity with their roster and playbook? remember also how, all of a sudden, main rotation cogs like Thad Young would miss games for reasons that were never satisfactorily explained and how these mysterious absences stopped suddenly, once Philly started losing games they were supposed to lose? that franchise is in the tank. big time.

Sitting here with my laptop, killing time, waiting for a meeting, I have a question. Are you aware that Noah hasn't played an entire NBA season in his career. Out of 492 games possible, not counting this season, he's played in 396, or an average of 66 games a year. My point is, he's injury prone, and he turns 30 years of age on feb 25th. Do you think he's going to become less injury prone as he gets older. I'm not denying his talent. The problem is, keeping that talent on the floor. There are several players in the up coming draft that have great defensive potential, and if we pick anywhere within the top ten, were likely to get one of them. And yes, I can see any of them averaging close to what you posted. I doubt any of them, including Noah would average 10 plus boards while on the same team with Cousins. And guess what, you'd have a player that's either 19 or 20 years of age at a very cheap salary for four years. He's also be a player that could grow with the team, and not be too old when the team starts to come into is own in a couple of years. Gotta go!.

while yes, fair point, it should also be pointed out that Noah has thus far pretty much exclusively played under a mad man that seems to have ideological issues with the concept of rest and demands insane amounts of running from his core guys. last season, when the SportsVU cameras became a thing, there was an article mentioning that Noah had travelled the largest distance of anybody in the entire league. not saying I'm for or against the trade -it'd be a risk, but Noah is one of very few guys in the league that I think is legitimately worth such a risk- just pointing out that I expect Noah to become a lot less injury prone, once he plays under a less demanding coach (same thing applies to all the Bulls' players, nevermind that their medical staff apparently sucks, too).

 

[fanop]

Who are some of the sg's that have excelled at pg?

Sorry I meant combo guards

 

[fanop]

The bulls have Mirotic coming who is doing extremely well in Europe this season and will star in the NBA
Rose is coming back slowly.
They freed a lot of cap room with trading Deng.
They have some decent prospects and cultured vets.
Why in world would they trade Noah. They are not rebuilding or tanking this season.

If the kings can somehow retain their 1st round pick back + rights to Mirotic, it would be the best thing ever.. Mirotic is the best player in europe right now.

 

[Bricklayer]

Sitting here with my laptop, killing time, waiting for a meeting, I have a question. Are you aware that Noah hasn't played an entire NBA season in his career. Out of 492 games possible, not counting this season, he's played in 396, or an average of 66 games a year. My point is, he's injury prone, and he turns 30 years of age on feb 25th. Do you think he's going to become less injury prone as he gets older. I'm not denying his talent. The problem is, keeping that talent on the floor. There are several players in the up coming draft that have great defensive potential, and if we pick anywhere within the top ten, were likely to get one of them. And yes, I can see any of them averaging close to what you posted. I doubt any of them, including Noah would average 10 plus boards while on the same team with Cousins. And guess what, you'd have a player that's either 19 or 20 years of age at a very cheap salary for four years. He's also be a player that could grow with the team, and not be too old when the team starts to come into is own in a couple of years. Gotta go!.

quick note: Noah will be 29 around the all star break, not 30.

 

[Entity]

quick note: Noah will be 29 around the all star break, not 30.

Which do we have better shot at. Noah or Rondo?

 

[Tetsujin]

Which do we have better shot at. Noah or Rondo?

Lebron

 

[Entity]

T

Lebron

That bad huh

 

[Tetsujin]

T


That bad huh

Nah. Honestly, I think it's hard to tell how far into tank mode both teams are willing to go. It's one thing to unload supporting cast guys, it's another to trade your multiple time all-star franchise guy. If they do though, I think Noah is more obtainable thanks to out 1st rounder already being in their hands

 

[Tetsujin]

Sam Amico ‏@SamAmicoFSO720h
No but I do have a prediction: Larry Sanders will be traded by Feb. 20. RT @TINYROBJR: hey Sam, you got any Bucks rumors for me?

Gee Sam, thanks for that one. Next, you're gonna tell us that Lebron is an MVP candidate or something.

 

[Tetsujin]

Speaking of Larry Sanders, the dude had one of his better games of the year against Memphis. 10 pts (4-12 shooting), 12 board, 3 blocks in 37 minutes.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

Trade JT, Jimmer and Thornton somehow
Get Sanders.
Draft Exum.
Resign IT for sixth man and promise him 25 minutes per game from bench.
Hope that Ben Mac turns into a solid defender who can hit the open 3 on a consistent basis

Future:

Sanders
Cousins
Gay
Ben Mac/Free agent-Klay Thompson?
Exum

6th man: IT
Role players:
Gray
Acy
D-Will
Landry
Veteran
Veteran

Bench: Acy, Gray (two tough bigs who hustle), Landry (great bench scoring option at the big position when Cousins is on bench), IT (our leader off the bench like Bobby Jackson who can transcend the game when we are down and out of it aka good motivation off bench with consistent production), D-Will- a guys who can play the 3 and 4 and be very productive for us on both ends of the court as well as bring the excitement to the game when things go boring ala Gerald Wallace.
Everyone else is practically irrelevant besides possibly picking up a good 2 guard (free agent please).
If Ben doesn't turn out to be good for us next season, we trade him and sign Klay Thompson as our free agent.
Boom deep playoff team.

Only other thing I would like to add to our bench is an experienced player or two. A Derrick Fischer or Robert Horry who can lead this team to glory from past experiences.

 

[TheBadGuy]

Trade JT, Jimmer and Thornton somehow
Get Sanders.
Draft Exum.
Resign IT for sixth man and promise him 25 minutes per game from bench.
Hope that Ben Mac turns into a solid defender who can hit the open 3 on a consistent basis

Future:

Sanders
Cousins
Gay
Ben Mac/Free agent-Klay Thompson?
Exum

6th man: IT
Role players:
Gray
Acy
D-Will
Landry
Veteran
Veteran

Bench: Acy, Gray (two tough bigs who hustle), Landry (great bench scoring option at the big position when Cousins is on bench), IT (our leader off the bench like Bobby Jackson who can transcend the game when we are down and out of it aka good motivation off bench with consistent production), D-Will- a guys who can play the 3 and 4 and be very productive for us on both ends of the court as well as bring the excitement to the game when things go boring ala Gerald Wallace.
Everyone else is practically irrelevant besides possibly picking up a good 2 guard (free agent please).
If Ben doesn't turn out to be good for us next season, we trade him and sign Klay Thompson as our free agent.
Boom deep playoff team.

Only other thing I would like to add to our bench is an experienced player or two. A Derrick Fischer or Robert Horry who can lead this team to glory from past experiences.

JT,MT & Outlaw for Sanders & Neal.

 

[Tetsujin]

JT,MT & Outlaw for Sanders & Neal.

Sanders and Neal aren't exactly sending each other Christmas cards right now. Neal's called Sanders out for his effort many times.

 

[jalfa]

JT,MT & Outlaw for Sanders & Neal.

trade checker says no. again, very difficult to trade for Sanders before the end of the season. best to just wait it out and see if Milwaukee makes him available then. they're really unlikely to trade him as is anyway, since his value can only go up at this point.

 

[randymoss1881]

I wouldn't hesitate to trade mclemore for Larry sanders. Sanders is a dominating force on defense. Is do mclemore/JT for sanders/delfeno

Team DRtg improvement when each guy was on floor in '12-13: Chandler: -0.2, Ibaka: 0.5, Noah: 5.1, Sanders: 5.9, Gasol: 6.9

Sanders is elite and to be a true contender you need to have a shot blocker on your team. Now if mclemore reaches his potential he still doesnt have the impact that sanders would for us. Also it is easier to find 3D guys compared to all nba shot blockers, some might say draft WCS but how do we know he is gonna reach sanders peak. You can find Mclemores in the draft or free agency every year but not sanders. We saw how bogut changed the warriors defense with malone there, now we need to get a bogut to protect cousins also sanders is better offensively than chandler and jordan


Sanders contact isn't as bad as people think it is it might even be a bargin when you start comparing it to other shot blockers.
Ibaka: 4yr-49mill
Noah: 3yr-39mill
Chandler: 2yr-28mill
Jordan: 2yr-22mill
Bogut: 3yr-36mill

 

[Tetsujin]

I wouldn't hesitate to trade mclemore for Larry sanders. Sanders is a dominating force on defense. Is do mclemore/JT for sanders/delfeno

Team DRtg improvement when each guy was on floor in '12-13: Chandler: -0.2, Ibaka: 0.5, Noah: 5.1, Sanders: 5.9, Gasol: 6.9

Sanders is elite and to be a true contender you need to have a shot blocker on your team. Now if mclemore reaches his potential he still doesnt have the impact that sanders would for us. Also it is easier to find 3D guys compared to all nba shot blockers, some might say draft WCS but how do we know he is gonna reach sanders peak. You can find Mclemores in the draft or free agency every year but not sanders. We saw how bogut changed the warriors defense with malone there, now we need to get a bogut to protect cousins also sanders is better offensively than chandler and jordan


Sanders contact isn't as bad as people think it is it might even be a bargin when you start comparing it to other shot blockers.
Ibaka: 4yr-49mill
Noah: 3yr-39mill
Chandler: 2yr-28mill
Jordan: 2yr-22mill
Bogut: 3yr-36mill

He's nowhere near elite right now. He wasn't even quite at an elite level last year when the Bucks saw enough in him to offer a massive contract. I'm all for getting a shot blocker like him but let's not lie and call a cherry blossom a cherry.

 

[jalfa]

He's nowhere near elite right now. He wasn't even quite at an elite level last year when the Bucks saw enough in him to offer a massive contract. I'm all for getting a shot blocker like him but let's not lie and call a cherry blossom a cherry.

pretty sure he was elite last season. there were several articles pointing out that he gave up the smallest percentage at the rim (and players straight stopped challenging him at one point) and was also one of the very best pick-and-roll defenders in the entire league. you can argue that the sample size is too small, but from what I've seen, when he manages to stay on the court, he will give you production, it's "just" a matter of avoiding fouls and getting ejected.

 

[Tetsujin]

pretty sure he was elite last season. there were several articles pointing out that he gave up the smallest percentage at the rim (and players straight stopped challenging him at one point) and was also one of the very best pick-and-roll defenders in the entire league. you can argue that the sample size is too small, but from what I've seen, when he manages to stay on the court, he will give you production, it's "just" a matter of avoiding fouls and getting ejected.

Hasn't quite been the case this year. I've tried watching Bucks games (here's a hint for everyone: don't, lest you don't care about losing a few extra years of your life) and since he's come back, he's generally either been disengaged or just outmatched by teams that have realized he's still not that great of an on-the-ball defender on a consistent basis.

The lack of effort is the disheartening thing here. Even in his moodiest days, Demarcus would generally at least try to tie the team 80 or 90 percent effort out there. There are times this year when it seems like Sanders is barely giving 50% effort. Now obviously, this is on the Bucks so who knows what would happen when he went to a team where he could just be a simple role player again as he was last year. Maybe having a Demarcus or Rudy to help keep him in check would light a fire under Sanders' butt. Or maybe it's another case of a guy having a ridiculous contract year before settle back down to earth.

All I know is that I see the potential but Sanders hasn't done much to actualize it.

 

[jalfa]

Hasn't quite been the case this year. I've tried watching Bucks games (here's a hint for everyone: don't, lest you don't care about losing a few extra years of your life) and since he's come back, he's generally either been disengaged or just outmatched by teams that have realized he's still not that great of an on-the-ball defender on a consistent basis.

The lack of effort is the disheartening thing here. Even in his moodiest days, Demarcus would generally at least try to tie the team 80 or 90 percent effort out there. There are times this year when it seems like Sanders is barely giving 50% effort. Now obviously, this is on the Bucks so who knows what would happen when he went to a team where he could just be a simple role player again as he was last year. Maybe having a Demarcus or Rudy to help keep him in check would light a fire under Sanders' butt. Or maybe it's another case of a guy having a ridiculous contract year before settle back down to earth.

All I know is that I see the potential but Sanders hasn't done much to actualize it.

oh no, I'm not arguing this year, this year has been an absolute disaster and I'm not even going to try and analyse what's going on with that team, as pretty damn near everybody is underachieving there. I just think that, as a reclamation project, there's few guys out there that intrigue me more, since what he's shown last year has lead to many a conversation with friends of mine just how much Cuz would benefit having a guy like Sanders next to him. there are so few of those mobile shotblockers out there that, if one of them becomes available, you almost have to take a flyer on him, especially if it's a buy-low situation. some sort of guarantee that he is the guy from a year ago would be nice, but in that case he might not be available anyway.

 

[Tetsujin]

oh no, I'm not arguing this year, this year has been an absolute disaster and I'm not even going to try and analyse what's going on with that team, as pretty damn near everybody is underachieving there. I just think that, as a reclamation project, there's few guys out there that intrigue me more, since what he's shown last year has lead to many a conversation with friends of mine just how much Cuz would benefit having a guy like Sanders next to him. there are so few of those mobile shotblockers out there that, if one of them becomes available, you almost have to take a flyer on him, especially if it's a buy-low situation. some sort of guarantee that he is the guy from a year ago would be nice, but in that case he might not be available anyway.

That poison pull makes it difficult for now. Strong possibility his trade value gets even lower in the summer. Especially if the Bucks pick a big like Embiid or Randle in the draft and become eager to clear a log jam/cap room in the front court

 

[jalfa]

That poison pull makes it difficult for now. Strong possibility his trade value gets even lower in the summer. Especially if the Bucks pick a big like Embiid or Randle in the draft and become eager to clear a log jam/cap room in the front court

exactly. so if the Bucks are looking to dump him over the summer, you should at least investigate what kind of compensation they'd want. the Kings would have Thornton's and Outlaw's expirings laying around that just happen to add up to roughly his salary. it'd then just be a question what kind of sweetener they'd want and whether they should get anything much at all.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

They'd want a future draft pick

 

[jalfa]

They'd want a future draft pick

which is a problem, since we don't have any of those.

 

[Hadlowe]

He's nowhere near elite right now. He wasn't even quite at an elite level last year when the Bucks saw enough in him to offer a massive contract. I'm all for getting a shot blocker like him but let's not lie and call a cherry blossom a cherry.

Not to mention that you'd have two foul-prone, technical prone, hotheaded big men in the frontcourt. Sanders is Indiana era Artest levels of crazy. I like his potential on the court, but I am incredibly wary of committing a ton of years of salary to a guy who may be in jail for portions of that time.