FakeInjury
Bench
Zach is gone. I wouldn't mind taking.
Zach Randolf For Abdur-Rahim and Moore
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Dime Dropper
All-Star
I really, really don't want him anywhere near us.
Rockmeister
All-Star
I'll pass.
FakeInjury
Bench
First, he has been known to gather 20 points and 10 rebounds per diem. Secondly, that contract is only for 2 years, if he gets us to the playoffs, which he is capable of doing, he is worth it. And seriously, are SAR and Moore capable of getting the kings near the playoffs? I'll let you guys decide that one 
. I think he would help take the load off of Thompson. I don't want to burn this rookie out because SAR, K9, MOORE and or MILLER decide to get injured. We are decidedly thin in the front court. I think this trade needs to happen for the kings to be relevant this year. Randolph needs a change of scenery, and a starting role, otherwise he is going to pout and kick and scream. He is not my first and last option on my PF wish list. On the other hand, if he were on the Kings roster, he would be. Think about that. IF he WERE in sacramento, would he start? If the answer is yes, we should go get it. And Randolph doesn't get injured. thats a major plus+++. Two year risk. And we have plenty of cap to wiggle around with even without Moore and SAR after next season. If it was that good of an idea, it would be done by now. I admit, Zach is like Jamal Tinsley and Artest and Spreewell combined. But at least he will be entertaining. And if thats all were going to get this upcoming season(entertainment).I.E. no playoffs, lets get him and Jamal Tinsley while we are at it. We could have a two team roster, like portland did. One team has bad men, and the other has slightly less respected men. I think it can't hurt. Rebuilding is about doing something new and different. So far, Petrie gets an F for risk taking. I have convinced myself, we need Randolph and Tinsley and whoever else is seemingly needs a second chance. It's a risk, but if they are on one team, mixed with our current roster, it could be a nice little competition resulting in some numbers in the wins. I KNOW THEUS WOULD BE DOWN WITH MORE VETERAN TALENT. key word-veteran.
. I think he would help take the load off of Thompson. I don't want to burn this rookie out because SAR, K9, MOORE and or MILLER decide to get injured. We are decidedly thin in the front court. I think this trade needs to happen for the kings to be relevant this year. Randolph needs a change of scenery, and a starting role, otherwise he is going to pout and kick and scream. He is not my first and last option on my PF wish list. On the other hand, if he were on the Kings roster, he would be. Think about that. IF he WERE in sacramento, would he start? If the answer is yes, we should go get it. And Randolph doesn't get injured. thats a major plus+++. Two year risk. And we have plenty of cap to wiggle around with even without Moore and SAR after next season. If it was that good of an idea, it would be done by now. I admit, Zach is like Jamal Tinsley and Artest and Spreewell combined. But at least he will be entertaining. And if thats all were going to get this upcoming season(entertainment).I.E. no playoffs, lets get him and Jamal Tinsley while we are at it. We could have a two team roster, like portland did. One team has bad men, and the other has slightly less respected men. I think it can't hurt. Rebuilding is about doing something new and different. So far, Petrie gets an F for risk taking. I have convinced myself, we need Randolph and Tinsley and whoever else is seemingly needs a second chance. It's a risk, but if they are on one team, mixed with our current roster, it could be a nice little competition resulting in some numbers in the wins. I KNOW THEUS WOULD BE DOWN WITH MORE VETERAN TALENT. key word-veteran.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
First, he has been known to gather 20 points and 10 rebounds per diem. Secondly, that contract is only for 2 years, if he gets us to the playoffs, which he is capable of doing, he is worth it. And seriously, are SAR and Moore capable of getting the kings near the playoffs? I'll let you guys decide that one
First off, Zach had knee surgery a couple of years ago, so he is able to be injured. Secondly, if all we wanted was entertainment, we could have just kept Artest. Thirdly, were not the Oakland Raiders of the NBA. And finally, fourth. We just started the rebuild process, so why would we want to bring in a bad influence for the young players and also take away thier minutes?
SacKings7
Starter
First, he has been known to gather 20 points and 10 rebounds per diem. Secondly, that contract is only for 2 years, if he gets us to the playoffs, which he is capable of doing, he is worth it. And seriously, are SAR and Moore capable of getting the kings near the playoffs? I'll let you guys decide that one
If we just wanted to make the playoffs, we would've kept Bibby and Artest. Our goal right now should not be to make the playoffs. We must rebuild so we can contend for a championship for years to come. No thanks
NME
Starter
You need to get up to speed with the current situation, and if Reggie in fact feels that way, so does he.
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
No our goal should be too win, gain chemistry and yes, make the playoffs.
We need experience in the PO's for the future when we are serious contenders. The kings need to become a TEAM while we are rising to the top and making the playoffs is a huge boost for team chemistry. We don't need to tank because we have multiple picks next year and tradeable assets if we really want to rebuild via draft. I'm not saying I want Randolph on the team because he is the last thing we need right now(Thompson,Hawes need the time). But making the playoffs should be a goal for us, not throwing away seasons and team growth so we can get a rookie.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
So you would rather throw away talent in a pointless demoralizing exercise of getting your *** handed to you by a real team that had more brains than you did, took a couple of years off, and ended up with Chris Paul or Tim Duncan as a result? Because that's all you are advocating -- sure as just cutting Spencer or Thompson from the team so you can be a #8 and get get killed again. Let's go sacrifice a lottery kid with a future, so I, as a fan, can get my cheap and pointless jollies.
Its not remotely worth it. And its not remotely significant. The first playoff appearance that matters is the one where you are at least a serious threat to make the second round. A first round squishage doesn't teach you anything, except that you suck and would have been better off taking the time to develop a real team.
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
You don't teach a team to lose,especially if you have the picks and tradeable assets to possibly attain a top 5 pick and maintain your core. Players want to win, they are not playing for draft status and a lottery that we prolly wont even win, because David Stern decides to be a jerk and give it to whoever he wants. Your opinion and my opinion is not going to change our teams goal because winning is just the demeanor of any real team.
For every Tim Duncan & CP3, there is a Hoffa Arajuo, Kwame Brown and Bargnani times five. Sure the possibility is there to get a great player but its highly unlikely.
We already have most of our core, (Martin,Hawes,Thompson,Garcia,Beno,Greene) and we already know that all of them want to win/succeed now along with Reggie. So yah ill take a beatdown in the first or second round which is nothing to be demoralized of, keep my rosters confidence and learn from the mistakes NOW instead of later, when you expect us to just jump in the playoff race and succeed with no prior knowledge or EXP of the playoff game which is an entirely different game.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Well I suppose at least you are consistent -- if you are not going to recognize the necessity of a rebuild in the first place, no reason not to become instantly impatient and want to short circuit it as soon as we start, right?
What you don't understand with all the standard "winning is the demeanor of any real team" nonsense, is you're not trying to win. Or rather not understanding how to win. You might as well paint a big ole L on your forehead, walk into a prison shower and pick up a bar of soap. There are rules and tactics to every game. And none of them, and I mean basically none of them, involve constantly charging forward as hard as you can for every instant and every moment. The very essence of tactics is knowing how to conserve your strength, how to build it, and how and when to apply it. What you suggest is nothing more nor less than fool's gold. There is a reason that substance garnered its name.
Now is the time to build strength. To take a break and develop players and acquire assets. That is what a rebuild is. Done well, and with cap room maintained, in two years we will be maybe be ready to make some noise again. Done poorly, half assed and short circuited by impatience, we never will.
What you don't understand with all the standard "winning is the demeanor of any real team" nonsense, is you're not trying to win. Or rather not understanding how to win. You might as well paint a big ole L on your forehead, walk into a prison shower and pick up a bar of soap. There are rules and tactics to every game. And none of them, and I mean basically none of them, involve constantly charging forward as hard as you can for every instant and every moment. The very essence of tactics is knowing how to conserve your strength, how to build it, and how and when to apply it. What you suggest is nothing more nor less than fool's gold. There is a reason that substance garnered its name.
Now is the time to build strength. To take a break and develop players and acquire assets. That is what a rebuild is. Done well, and with cap room maintained, in two years we will be maybe be ready to make some noise again. Done poorly, half assed and short circuited by impatience, we never will.
SacKings7
Starter
So you are not in favor of a complete rebuild?? Ok, let's get Artest and Bibby back, or how about Webber and Peja, and let's fight for the 8th seed for the next 3+ years before finally realizing that this team is not cut out to be a champion. Love it or hate it, championships are built through the draft. Even the best franchises have completely sucked at some point in time, only to rebuild and win championships. And while you do make a point that our young guys need playoff experience, they are in fact YOUNG, and will have plenty of time to gain some experience when they mature and actually have a good team built around them
FakeInjury
Bench
Success breeds success. And all those other hopeless catch-phrases that may be applicable to this team. The goal of this team should be at least one 7-game series at the end of the regular season. I think the roster, as is, wont be able to fight against the run-and-gun teams, and the powerhouse teams, and succeed. If the 7-game series is the goal, then there are two option(assuming the roster as-is wont cut it). First trade for a contributer(Randolph) and hope for the best. Or, fight tooth and nail, every night, wear and tear the opponent until they cave in. AS-IS, i dont think this dog has enough bite to make the playoffs. We need a contributer. On a different note, I don't see any anger from any player or personell in the Kings Org. other than Theus and that bothers me. I don't need a blockbuster, but Bobby Jackson isn't going to cut it. I think Bobby is valuable, but not the vocal leader we need. We need a headliner. K. Martin just doesn't draw a crowd in other cities(other than Cleveland). And I assure you, road wins, require fans coming to support and witness a superstar*. We draw well enough at home, but if we are to have any chance of having a winning record, we need a crowd pleasing, flamboyant, entertaining, charismatic, talent who reaches into the stands and grabs your attention and your support. I recognize now, Zach Randolph isn't that person. I guess, we just need to keep farming, and hopefully Martin, Hawes, Thompson, or Greene turn into *.
Gary
All-Star
Randolph is a selfish player who cannot defend to save his life. He can score a bit, and can rebound.... Let's get back Artest, trade for Iverson, trade for Curry, trade for Marbury, and trade for Ricky Davis to play SG..
LOL that would be the most selfish team ever.
FakeInjury, there are players you stay away from if you are trying to build a successful team.. Randolph is one of them.. If you want examples of other players you stay away from here are some names.... Iverson, Curry, Marbury, Anthony, Carter, McGrady, Jefferson ect ect
LOL that would be the most selfish team ever.
FakeInjury, there are players you stay away from if you are trying to build a successful team.. Randolph is one of them.. If you want examples of other players you stay away from here are some names.... Iverson, Curry, Marbury, Anthony, Carter, McGrady, Jefferson ect ect
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Arby's Roast Beef
Starter
If we want to rebuild, we wouldn't sign Randolph. Heck, if we even wanted to win, we wouldn't sign Randolph either.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Jefferson has been to 2 NBA Finals. Iverson to 1. TMac wins 50+ every year.
Zach is different. He's a selfish player who has basically never won. He's rapidly becoming a modern Derrick Coleman.
SacKings7
Starter
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
Im not for short circuting anything(the draft being this case).We don't need to become losers just so we can get a high pick, and we won't become losers because either way we are too good talent wise too suck that bad.
We can stay competitive win & improve as a team and STILL obtain a good pick through trade if its a neccesity that MUST be done, at least thats the logical route. Not loosing and looking like a bunch of bums only to be saved by your son of god pick.
I have a hard time imagining anyone-- trying to tell our players that they have to go out there and put on a sh*tty performance for the sake of a lottery pick that we might not even win and succeeding in persuading them. It sounds stupid because it wont happen because it is just that, stupid@! especially with our moveable pieces.
Do you honestly think thats going to fly with most fans, the roster and the whole Kings organization.. I'll say it again we have the pieces to make a move if we really want to rebuild through the draft. This team has tons of young talent with tons of potential and game already, so whether you like it or not get used to winning.
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SacKings7
Starter
First of all, we have no idea how good Hawes, Greene, or Thompson will be, so nobody out of that group is "too good to suck" yet, they may end up being busts.
And if you think this group as it is can contend for a playoff spot, you should probably reconsider that. Look at Portland this past year. Their roster is better than ours, and they finished in 10th. The West is just too stacked. And you mention obtaining a high pick through trade? Unless we're giving up Martin, or 2 or more of our young players, that isn't happening.
And about your third paragraph. Nobody is telling these players to go out and suck. Young teams lack experience, and therefore usually don't fare too well in the standings for a while. Let the guys play and gain valuable experience. If they win, so be it, but there is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED to add a guy like Randolph to the mix, who would kill team chemistry AND our cap space
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
A complete rebuild dosent meen we have to be losers. GP is a smart dude and can figure that out other ways. We can obtain the top 5 pick through trade and still be a strong team. so why not have the best of both worlds?
We don't need to get any of those mentioned players back because either way we are good enough to contend for an 8th seed and unless we downgrade in talent severely the "full rebuild" and a loosing squad is not happening.
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
First of all I never said anything about adding a guy like Randolph to the mix. Hawes & Thompson should recieve those minutes. & Second even if they are busts we have Miller and Moore who were a good enough PF/C to contend semi-close for 8th last year even with all our injuries. Third, Salmons & Garcias value are both going to shoot up with consistent playing time, so package either one of those guys with our draft picks and thats a very solid deal for a top 5.
Semi
Bench
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Didn't you read?
John Salmons obviously. But of course only when combined with out non-lottery 16th-20th pick or whatever.
I also have this lovely bridge I was thinking of selling, cheap even:
PM me with offers.
SacKings7
Starter
Apologies about the Randolph thing, I thought you were the OP. But once again you are assuming things. You assume Salmons and Garcias value is gonna shoot up, when in fact, neither has proven anything over the course of a full season.
uolj
Starter
I'm not sure you understand the concept. I'm fine if you disagree, but it sucks to see someone argue against a position when they are making so many incorrect assumptions about that position.
Nobody is saying that there aren't plenty of busts at the top of the draft. Nobody is saying that the team will jump into the playoffs and succeed immediately. And most of all nobody is saying that people should be telling the players to play poorly or do anything other than do their best to win. In fact, the rebuild plan includes the hope that the young players will try their hardest so they can develop and improve.
If you think the current team has real potential to become a championship contender, then it makes sense if you want to start adding the veterans now. I just don't think they're close yet, so it's way too early to start plugging holes.
