Yi Willing To Sit Out Entire Season

[Gilles]

No, weenie boy has been playing professionally near mommy and daddy in Spain. The key apparently is the playing professionally part. Once you do that, you are locked into the team that drafted you.

Yep, that's a key part. He can play as amatuer for his National team but he cannot be paid for playing basketball games for a year.
BUT... thinking for a moment... he will be 23 next year so he cannot enter the draft anyway so if he sit outs this year he's an FA July 1st, 2008.
P.S. Apparently guys from his camp haven't read CBA if they threaten he re-enters the draft next year.

 

[hrdboild]

He's still officially 19 according to the folks in his camp, at least he was the last I heard about it.

 

[Bricklayer]

Yep, that's a key part. He can play as amatuer for his National team but he cannot be paid for playing basketball games for a year.
BUT... thinking for a moment... he will be 23 next year so he cannot enter the draft anyway so if he sit outs this year he's an FA July 1st, 2008.
P.S. Apparently guys from his camp haven't read CBA if they threaten he re-enters the draft next year.

The 22/23 is speculation/ He's still listed at 19/20.

 

[Vlade4GM]

LOL! Sorry, but that's outright laugh out loud funny.

The Bucks did exactly what they have the right to do as one of the 30 teams in the National Basketball Association. If our team wasn't tangentially involved in this whole mess - although it's becoming less and less likely Yi would come here anyway - I can't imagine anyone protesting what Milwaukee did.

As far as him re-entering the draft next year, I would think the Bucks would retain his draft rights forever. Much as we held Dejan Bodiroga's rights. Yi entered and participated in the 2007 draft. He was, in fact, drafted by one of the teams in the NBA. I don't think he can simply have a "mulligan" on this...at least not without a long, convoluted court case probably lasting until long after he's ready for retirement.

I never said they didn't have the right to draft him, of course they do and I'm not saying this isn't a disrespectful move by his handlers but that's not what I'm referring to. I'm referring the to the fact that Milwaukee knew they didn't want them to draft him and they knew that where he went was very important to them, this whole problem was compeltely forseeable and I predicted it the second he got drafted by them. Drafting out of principle is pretty stupid, the guy doesn't want to go to Milwaukee so just let the crybaby slip. Draft someone who will sign and suit up. Don't use the sixth pick that was gotten by the third worst record in the NBA on a guy who does not want to be there (or at least his handlers don't which in this case might as well be the same thing). If the kings had the sixth pick and Yi's handlers made it very clear before the draft he didn't want to go to Sac, I would without a doubt be pissed if they passed on Brandan Wright for him. I think Milwaukee screwed up big time and they deserve what they have gotten.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

I never said they didn't have the right to draft him, of course they do and I'm not saying this isn't a disrespectful move by his handlers but that's not what I'm referring to. I'm referring the to the fact that Milwaukee knew they didn't want them to draft him and they knew that where he went was very important to them, this whole problem was compeltely forseeable and I predicted it the second he got draft. Drafting out of principle is pretty stupid, the guy doesn't want to go to Milwaukee so just let the crybaby slip. Draft someone who will sign and suit up. Don't use the sixth pick that was gotten by the third worst record in the NBA on a guy who does not want to be there (or at least his handlers don't which in this case might as well be the same thing). If the kings had the sixth pick and Yi's handlers made it very clear before the draft he didn't want to go to Sac, I would without a doubt be pissed if they passed on Brandan Wright for him. I think Milwaukee screwed up big time and they deserve what they have gotten.

totally agree with your post

 

[Gilles]

He's still officially 19 according to the folks in his camp, at least he was the last I heard about it.

Damn those DX guys! I thought they have correct official info and don't believe true rumors.

 

[Warhawk]

I never said they didn't have the right to draft him, of course they do and I'm not saying this isn't a disrespectful move by his handlers but that's not what I'm referring to. I'm referring the to the fact that Milwaukee knew they didn't want them to draft him and they knew that where he went was very important to them, this whole problem was compeltely forseeable and I predicted it the second he got drafted by them. Drafting out of principle is pretty stupid, the guy doesn't want to go to Milwaukee so just let the crybaby slip. Draft someone who will sign and suit up. Don't use the sixth pick that was gotten by the third worst record in the NBA on a guy who does not want to be there (or at least his handlers don't which in this case might as well be the same thing). If the kings had the sixth pick and Yi's handlers made it very clear before the draft he didn't want to go to Sac, I would without a doubt be pissed if they passed on Brandan Wright for him. I think Milwaukee screwed up big time and they deserve what they have gotten.

And what if Oden and Durant didn't want to go to teams in the northwest. Should Portland and Seattle have passed on them?

You start playing this game and everyone will want to go to a winner and not be happy just to play in this league. There is a draft for a reason - to help the worse teams get better. Players will have plenty of time later to go to other teams if they want (if they are good enough to warrant additional contract years). Go where you are drafted, collect your millions, and readdress the situation when appropriate. We don't even know if he can play in this league yet....

 

[Vlade4GM]

And what if Oden and Durant didn't want to go to teams in the northwest. Should Portland and Seattle have passed on them?

You start playing this game and everyone will want to go to a winner and not be happy just to play in this league. There is a draft for a reason - to help the worse teams get better. Players will have plenty of time later to go to other teams if they want (if they are good enough to warrant additional contract years). Go where you are drafted, collect your millions, and readdress the situation when appropriate. We don't even know if he can play in this league yet....

You can play the "what if" game until the cows come home, the reality is that hardly ever happens especially when you're talking about two clear no.1 and 2 picks. This is a rare situation where he has leaders of a country wanting badly for him to be in a more marketable area, most of the time with draft picks that whine it's just more of a personality thing they don't have THAT much invested in where they play. I'm sure if it was up to Yi alone he would have no problem playing for Milwaukee.

Why should Milwaukee give a crap what it does to the future of the draft? Why should they martyr themselves to make some sort of stand on principle? If I was a buck fan and they drafted him to make some "noble stand" I'd be super pissed. You want to talk about how this is a immoral thing for Yi's people to do, ok I never disagreed with that but Milwaukee knew damn well that something like this would happen and they did it anyway. They had every warning, they did it anyway, and now they're dealing with those consequences. It's their fault this is happening to them. In my book that falls under the category of Milwaukee screwing the pooch. That's the reality of the situation, a reality Milwaukee was completely aware of before the pick.

 

[Double-K]

And what if Oden and Durant didn't want to go to teams in the northwest. Should Portland and Seattle have passed on them?

You start playing this game and everyone will want to go to a winner and not be happy just to play in this league. There is a draft for a reason - to help the worse teams get better. Players will have plenty of time later to go to other teams if they want (if they are good enough to warrant additional contract years). Go where you are drafted, collect your millions, and readdress the situation when appropriate. We don't even know if he can play in this league yet....

And from the Bucks' stand point, they are supposed to draft a guy that would make them get better. Drafting a guy who, you yourself know, won't appreciated your organization isn't gonna help your team to get better.

Forget about Yi's ethnicity, his agenda, his (or his handler) whining, or his threat of sitting out the entire season, why did the Bucks draft Yi? They weren't invited to watch him. They have a proven PF. They KNEW they aren't appreciated by the Yi's camp. (whoever been making the decision, Yi or his handler)

Put yourself in the Bucks' shoes, why (Besides VF21's "Oh they have every right to draft whoever they want") didn't you draft a guy who would appreciated you, treasure the chance of joining you, and most importantly, would improve your team in positions your team needs improved.

 

[HndsmCelt]

And what if Oden and Durant didn't want to go to teams in the northwest. Should Portland and Seattle have passed on them?

You start playing this game and everyone will want to go to a winner and not be happy just to play in this league. ....

Well not really. The fact is that every single NBA player drafted for sometime now has had the option to sit it out and try the draft again and yet to date no one had done so. Some good guesses as to why? Well it is unlikly a young man raised in the West would pass up several million dollars once it is offered to him. Secondly no player will see their stock increase by sitting out a year. It is very unclear how quickly Yi might be picked up next season even by a team aproved of by his handelers.

I don't disagree that IF other players were to follow suite there would be a problem, but I am yet convinced that many if any will. I still hold that this situation is better delt with through diplomacy than by being reactionary.

 

[VF21]

Put yourself in the Bucks' shoes, why (Besides VF21's "Oh they have every right to draft whoever they want") didn't you draft a guy who would appreciated you, treasure the chance of joining you, and most importantly, would improve your team in positions your team needs improved.

And who, pray tell, do you think they should have picked? How many players do you honestly believe would have jumped with joy about going to Milwaukee? Treasured the chance of joining the Bucks?
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Either you (meaning people in general, not you in particular at this point...) support the idea and concept of players making themselves available to ALL the teams in the league via the draft or you don't. And if you don't, you might as well do away with the draft and just let it go back to teams with deep pockets hiring all the good players and the cellar-dwellers remaining forever in the cellar.

 

[Warhawk]

You can play the "what if" game until the cows come home, the reality is that hardly ever happens especially when you're talking about two clear no.1 and 2 picks. This is a rare situation where he has leaders of a country wanting badly for him to be in a more marketable area, most of the time with draft picks that whine it's just more of a personality thing they don't have THAT much invested in where they play. I'm sure if it was up to Yi alone he would have no problem playing for Milwaukee.

Why should Milwaukee give a crap what it does to the future of the draft? Why should they martyr themselves to make some sort of stand on principle? If I was a buck fan and they drafted him to make some "noble stand" I'd be super pissed. You want to talk about how this is a immoral thing for Yi's people to do, ok I never disagreed with that but Milwaukee knew damn well that something like this would happen and they did it anyway. They had every warning, they did it anyway, and now they're dealing with those consequences. It's their fault this is happening to them. In my book that falls under the category of Milwaukee screwing the pooch. That's the reality of the situation, a reality Milwaukee was completely aware of before the pick.

For the first bolded part, who cares? They knew the odds were he was going to be chosen between 4 and 9. If they didn't like the possibility of Mil choosing him, he shouldn't have entered the draft.

They are not "martyring" themselves or "taking a noble stand", they chose what they deemed to be the best player for their situation (BPA, need, whatever) when their spot came up.

If he wants to sit out a year and not play professionally or whatever, that is his choice. I'm sure the Bucks felt that they could convince him to join the team after drafting him. Maybe they were wrong, but we'll see. If nothing else, maybe they have a good trading chip.

I still think that if you are drafted, you should appreciate the opportunity to play at the highest level instead of acting (or in this case, your government acting?) like the whiney little teenybopper b!7(# who didn't get chosen as prom queen.

Just shut the hell up and play. You'll get paid the same no matter where you play. Hey, here's a thought - EARN your right to sign a lucrative contract elsewhere. This behavior is very childish.

 

[Double-K]

And who, pray tell, do you think they should have picked? How many players do you honestly believe would have jumped with joy about going to Milwaukee? Treasured the chance of joining the Bucks?
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Either you (meaning people in general, not you in particular at this point...) support the idea and concept of players making themselves available to ALL the teams in the league via the draft or you don't. And if you don't, you might as well do away with the draft and just let it go back to teams with deep pockets hiring all the good players and the cellar-dwellers remaining forever in the cellar.

Having not much knowledge of the city of Milwaukee, I don't know why other America-born players wouldn't happy about going to Milwaukee? (For Yi and his camp, on the other hand, you could've tell that he won't. (from points I listed in my previous post.)

And I don't think, me supporting the idea and concept of players making themselves available to all the teams in the league via the draft or not is irrelevant for my previous respond. It's the draft's rule that players have to make themselves available to all the teams. I was just saying, for the Bucks, that it doesn't make a lot of sense to draft the guy who didn't allow you to watch him play and apparently would not appreciate you.

 

[Vlade4GM]

For the first bolded part, who cares? They knew the odds were he was going to be chosen between 4 and 9. If they didn't like the possibility of Mil choosing him, he shouldn't have entered the draft.

They are not "martyring" themselves or "taking a noble stand", they chose what they deemed to be the best player for their situation (BPA, need, whatever) when their spot came up.

If he wants to sit out a year and not play professionally or whatever, that is his choice. I'm sure the Bucks felt that they could convince him to join the team after drafting him. Maybe they were wrong, but we'll see. If nothing else, maybe they have a good trading chip.

I still think that if you are drafted, you should appreciate the opportunity to play at the highest level instead of acting (or in this case, your government acting?) like the whiney little teenybopper b!7(# who didn't get chosen as prom queen.

Just shut the hell up and play. You'll get paid the same no matter where you play. Hey, here's a thought - EARN your right to sign a lucrative contract elsewhere. This behavior is very childish.

You keep trying to turn this into a moral issue from Yi's standpoint. I have never even disagreed with any of that stuff, frankly I don't really care to look at it from that standpoint because I have very low expectations of pro athletes' characters and Yi is not falling short of it. I'm looking at this from the bucks' standpoint and that's the only standpoint I commented on and my stance still stands that they made a very poor choice and perhaps have set back their org. even further.

If they sign him and he ends up being a good player for them and they either get something for him in a trade or keep him beyond his rookie contract I'll give them props but with the way things are going right now they made a huge blunder and him being the BPA according to them doesn't excuse this very potentially blowing up in their face. They knew the huge risk and that risk got realized very shortly after they selected him so that means if it indeed blows up in their face they have no one to blame but themselves. They can try to shift the blame and say "blah blah blah, he's a jerk being manipulated, blah blah blah" fact is they already knew all this stuff before they picked him. You act as if I'm trying to defend Yi or his camp, I'm not. Just pointing out that the bucks can only blame themselves for what is going on, if it blows up in their face they deserve it.

 

[VF21]

Having not much knowledge of the city of Milwaukee, I don't know why other America-born players wouldn't happy about going to Milwaukee? (For Yi and his camp, on the other hand, you could've tell that he won't. (from points I listed in my previous post.)

And I don't think, me supporting the idea and concept of players making themselves available to all the teams in the league via the draft or not is irrelevant for my previous respond. It's the draft's rule that players have to make themselves available to all the teams. I was just saying, for the Bucks, that it doesn't make a lot of sense to draft the guy who didn't allow you to watch him play and apparently would not appreciate you.

Fair enough. You're looking at it from a practical perspective and I'm looking at it from the philosophical side, as in no player should be able to put himself above the league.

I do see what you're saying. The fact that Yi could hamstring the Bucks should have been fair warning to them that they might be better served to choose someone else.

Is that a fair restating of your position?

 

[Double-K]

Fair enough. You're looking at it from a practical perspective and I'm looking at it from the philosophical side, as in no player should be able to put himself above the league.

I do see what you're saying. The fact that Yi could hamstring the Bucks should have been fair warning to them that they might be better served to choose someone else.

Is that a fair restating of your position?

Yes, thank you VF21. That's exactly what I was trying to say. It would've been more practical for the Bucks to draft a guy like Brandan Wright (similiar to Yi skillset-wise.) and save all the hassle of dealing with Yi.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I've never wished injury on a player before: not Bam-Boozer, not Shaq, not even FSM... but if this little **** gets his way, I hope he tears out every ligament in both knees in his first game, and never plays again.

 

[imabored]

I've never wished injury on a player before: not Bam-Boozer, not Shaq, not even FSM... but if this little **** gets his way, I hope he tears out every ligament in both knees in his first game, and never plays again.

and what if he plays for the kings? you'd still wish that?

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Yes, I'd still wish that; if you look back on the last page, you'll notice that I went on record as saying that I don't want Yi to play for the Kings.

If Yi ends up in Sacramento, I may consider changing my allegiance to the Bobcats...

 

[Big Cuz 15]

If Yi ends up in Sacramento, I may consider changing my allegiance to the Bobcats...

cool..

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Don't get too happy; I didn't say anything about leaving the board... I'll still stick around, if only to torment you.

 

[Double-K]

I've never wished injury on a player before: not Bam-Boozer, not Shaq, not even FSM... but if this little **** gets his way, I hope he tears out every ligament in both knees in his first game, and never plays again.

This is ridiculous. I hope you were just trying to be funny. (By the way, for that matter, you are not.)

First of all, I can safely say that you have absolutely no idea about Chinese culture and how different in so many levels how US government and Chinese government work. Secondly, no matter what this little punk you've been talking about did, such ill-wishing is so uncalled for.

You don't know anything about us, so back off.

Oh god, why do I even care? None of you care to take a look of anything outside of the America.

I'm done with this. Have a better life.

 

[nbrans]

I don't see why this is such a big deal. He doesn't have to sign the contract. It's within the rules for him to sit out for a year and re-enter the draft. If he wants to go through the pain of not playing professional basketball for a year, more power to him. He's not breaking any rules. Milwaukee knew the deal when they drafted him.

 

[VF21]

This is ridiculous. I hope you were just trying to be funny. (By the way, for that matter, you are not.)

First of all, I can safely say that you have absolutely no idea about Chinese culture and how different in so many levels how US government and Chinese government work. Secondly, no matter what this little punk you've been talking about did, such ill-wishing is so uncalled for.

You don't know anything about us, so back off.

Oh god, why do I even care? None of you care to take a look of anything outside of the America.

I'm done with this. Have a better life.

Okay, that's about enough. It seems the cultural aspects of this are now overshadowing everything else and tempers seem to be flaring. For that reason, I'm closing this thread. If/when we hear any additional information about Yi, we can start a new one.