Yi Willing To Sit Out Entire Season
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Bricklayer
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Well well well, and things just got a tad more interesting for us if this is true.
The Yi camp has been saying it and saying it, but the Bucks just have been refusing to listen. Kind of like a clingy girlfriend/boyfriend who just won't listen when you try to break up with him/her gently or by droppng hints, and you finally have to just come out and be brutal. Again, IF the above is true, that would be, or should be, the attention getter Milwaulkee needs to get them seriously thinking trade. And once they are seriously thinkng trade, it would have to be somewhere Yi is willing to play. We happen to be on that short list.
p.s. as an aside, this is all compelte bull**** by the Chinese here, but again, for selfish purposes I'm willing to play along. Given that salaries are all handed out according to a scale anymore, maybe they need to institute some sort of financial penalty for not signing and/or eliminate the ability to be drafted multiple times. Once somebody owns your rights, its permanent, and then oyu have to make up your mind to either play in the NBA, or not.
The Yi camp has been saying it and saying it, but the Bucks just have been refusing to listen. Kind of like a clingy girlfriend/boyfriend who just won't listen when you try to break up with him/her gently or by droppng hints, and you finally have to just come out and be brutal. Again, IF the above is true, that would be, or should be, the attention getter Milwaulkee needs to get them seriously thinking trade. And once they are seriously thinkng trade, it would have to be somewhere Yi is willing to play. We happen to be on that short list.
p.s. as an aside, this is all compelte bull**** by the Chinese here, but again, for selfish purposes I'm willing to play along. Given that salaries are all handed out according to a scale anymore, maybe they need to institute some sort of financial penalty for not signing and/or eliminate the ability to be drafted multiple times. Once somebody owns your rights, its permanent, and then oyu have to make up your mind to either play in the NBA, or not.
Big Cuz 15
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what a backhand to the face of the bucks franchise if he sits out the whole year to re enter the draft.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
it's a touchy situation here. stern wants to expand the nba game to china but i'm sure he doesn't want to pee off the chinese either with this yi situation.
isn't the first time something like this happened so i don't see what the big hoopla is about. the only difference here is that milwaukee isn't looking to budge on his trade demands. stevie franchise got his demands to be traded, kobe bean bryant also got his wishes .. whats the diff that its an international player demanding a trade?
HndsmCelt
Hall of Famer
Not a chance. The Bucks called his bluff and now it looks like the Yi camp will show their hand, but if Yi no shows spring training look for the Bucks to deal him QUICK to the first team that will take the contract.
Brick is right this could be good news for the Kings.
Big Cuz 15
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i would be ecstatic if the kings were able to pick this guy up. i'd hate to be a buck fan right now. they gambled on this guy knowing he didn't want to come over there and it might blow up in their face. poor decision in a deep draft if you ask me.
allrightythen
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I'm kinda torn. I mean it does look promising and all that if he refuses to play for the Bucks we might have a chance at him, but I'm conflicted about not wanting a guy who refused to play for the team that drafted him. Just seems wrong to me.
kupman
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Score one for VJ!..................it's especially funny with the chessy D.W. grin looking at me.
I guess I'm the old-fashioned one. I don't want him on the Kings if he obviously is putting himself (he meanng either Yi himself or his now-infamous handlers or even just his agent) above the team and the NBA itself.
This guy has "problem" written all over him, IMHO. So he comes here and for whatever reason the reception or reaction or whatever isn't what he expects. Does he demand another trade? Does he demand to go to San Francisco or Los Angeles? And do we fold?
Let him sit out a year if he cannot follow the same rules as all the other draftees. And, in my world, the ultimate irony would be if he fell to the Bucks in next year's draft, and they picked him again.
Okay, that was mean but I really dislike people who try and make it all about themselves to this extent. Yes, I know all professional athletes have egos but this is just ridiculous.
Why couldn't he play with the Bucks, PROVE what he can do in the NBA, and then work on being traded with both the Bucks and Yi coming out winners?
EDIT: And am I the only one who thinks it's a little ironic the two players named as doing this before have repeated their temper tantrums and demands throughout their career?
This guy has "problem" written all over him, IMHO. So he comes here and for whatever reason the reception or reaction or whatever isn't what he expects. Does he demand another trade? Does he demand to go to San Francisco or Los Angeles? And do we fold?
Let him sit out a year if he cannot follow the same rules as all the other draftees. And, in my world, the ultimate irony would be if he fell to the Bucks in next year's draft, and they picked him again.
Okay, that was mean but I really dislike people who try and make it all about themselves to this extent. Yes, I know all professional athletes have egos but this is just ridiculous.
Why couldn't he play with the Bucks, PROVE what he can do in the NBA, and then work on being traded with both the Bucks and Yi coming out winners?
EDIT: And am I the only one who thinks it's a little ironic the two players named as doing this before have repeated their temper tantrums and demands throughout their career?
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bibbinator
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One potentially attractive thing about a Sac rebuild is that Yi would get a lot of floor time next season. Competitive teams would make him earn his minutes.
I can completely understand Yi not wanting to go to the Bucks. Imagine if you were going to be a celebrity in a remote Chinese city with almost no other American, not speaking Chinese well, and being 19 on top of it. It sounds like hell to me.
I can completely understand Yi not wanting to go to the Bucks. Imagine if you were going to be a celebrity in a remote Chinese city with almost no other American, not speaking Chinese well, and being 19 on top of it. It sounds like hell to me.
He's going to be receiving millions of dollars. I'm pretty sure he can find his way to other places in the midwest that do have large enough Chinese populations if it's that important to him.
He's here for the money, plain and simple. And if he doesn't want to play by the rules to get it, let him continue to play in China.
Part of going to another country is getting to know the people, the culture, etc. He's not being dropped into the middle of a city with NO way to communicate with fellow countrymen. This whole "stranger in a strange land" thing is being blown out of all proportion, IMHO.
cary_anderson
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Thought this was interesting
Just for reference Chicago is less than 2 hours from Milwaukee, and has a pretty sizable asian population (estimated at 4%), probably bigger than Sac's and certainly smaller than SF...
Just for reference Chicago is less than 2 hours from Milwaukee, and has a pretty sizable asian population (estimated at 4%), probably bigger than Sac's and certainly smaller than SF...
Thanks. Having never been in the Milwaukee area I wasn't sure what large metropolitan areas were in the vicinity.
Traveling for two hours is nothing. I should know. I do it each way every time I go to Arco to see the Kings play. And I'm not a millionaire. Yi could probably even maintain a home in the Chicago area and commute to Milwaukee for games.
Tony Kukoc did it. I'm pretty sure he lived in Chicago (North suburbs) while he was playing for the Bucks.
Just as a general reference, I am in far West/Northwest suburbs and I can get to Milwaukee in an hour and 45 minutes (approx. 100 miles). If you live in North suburbs where alot of professional athletes live you are looking at an hour commute max.
Is there any room on the bandwagon?
I don't want this ******** playing for my team.
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ultraman206
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This is good news indeed. Don't know why anyone would scoff at the possibility of Yi landing in Sac. Doesn't matter how or why he becomes a King; but the idea of adding a potential future star to our team is very exciting. I mean who wouldn't want a guaranteed All-Star by next year (over 1 billion people will be voting for him 
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Bricklayer
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This is good news indeed. Don't know why anyone would scoff at the possibility of Yi landing in Sac. Doesn't matter how or why he becomes a King; but the idea of adding a potential future star to our team is very exciting. I mean who wouldn't want a guaranteed All-Star by next year (over 1 billion people will be voting for him
Heh -- hadn't thought of that. Our own Yi and Duncan, perennial All Star starters every year, even if Yi only averages 12pts 4rebs.
As for the rest of it...I sincerely doubt any 19 (or 22) yr old from overseas has THIS strong a preference about city in a country he probably has not widely toured. This is his handlers in China, working through his agent (who have been known to meddle, but not THIS strongly without sanction). Apparently they have very specific "needs" because of their precious Olympics next year and for Asian marketing opportunities. Its not likely to be about where Yi lives -- he'll live in some rich suburb like every other NBA player, not Chinatown no matter where he is. Its about money, PT and exposure as far as his handlers are concerned. Not going to let it taint my view of the kid himself. It would be far far worse if it WERE Yi himself, because then you have the Francis situation, and the guy is maybe a problem personality. But handlers? Like Yao before him, if he does well he'll eventually outgrow them, gain confidence and independence, and make up his own mind. Yi himself hasn't done anything to hurt us, and if he forces his way out of Milwaulkee his handlers ARE going to "win". He'll go somewhere they want him to be. Potentially make some team much better. I vote for that team to be us rather than the Lakers, Warriors, or any other West Coast rival.
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Double-K
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Worse things had happened in the sport world, by both players and teams.
Players should be able to use these leverages when they are able to, when their bodies allow them to.
Think about it this way: How many years can a player play in such physical sport?
Yes, maybe it's not justified, but a player's career is short, its understandable to try to make the most of it, or choose the best situation for him/herself.
It's not like the Bucks didn't have a choice but to pick him in the draft. And were they not allowed to attend to Yi's workouts?
Moreover, it's not like the Bucks won't be getting anything back from this.
Players should be able to use these leverages when they are able to, when their bodies allow them to.
Think about it this way: How many years can a player play in such physical sport?
Yes, maybe it's not justified, but a player's career is short, its understandable to try to make the most of it, or choose the best situation for him/herself.
It's not like the Bucks didn't have a choice but to pick him in the draft. And were they not allowed to attend to Yi's workouts?
Moreover, it's not like the Bucks won't be getting anything back from this.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
No, that I disagree with. As a professional league you can NOT let this happen routinely, or you are screwed. Everybody just forces their way to the Lakers, and competitive balnace is screwed. At all costs you should go punitive on players who want to have the advantages of your league while simultaneously putting themselves above it. There are rules to every engagement, and they are bargained for and for the benefit of all. No one player should be allowed to buck them. Free agency is that opportunity, and even there there are strict caps to maintain competitive balance. Guys can't just sign willy nilly in the best situation for them regardless of money. And thank god.
Double-K
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I wasn't saying players should be allow to bend rules or putting themselves above the league. What I mean was that it's common sense for every player to try to get in the best situation possible for them cause time is not on their side. Your body can only be physically able to play for a pretty short period.
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Sell it to somebody who's buying. You'll never convince me of anything in an argument that starts with "Worse things have happened..."
HndsmCelt
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Fair enough and to the point. BUT I will add that the NBA is making the transition to an INTERNATIONAL league and these are some the expected growing pains. I have elsewehre discussed the cultural issues involved in the Yi deal and will not belabor the points here, but we should bear in mind that as more and more tallent is pulled from out side the US AND and more and more of the NBA revenue stream coumes from out side the US as well, the need for at least some culturall senistivity has to increase OR the NBA can expect a wake up call when more tallent stays home and more world wide TV's tune into other leagues.
Tha being said in order to maitain the aformentioned ballance of power it might be nice for the NBA to have LEAGUE emisaries that meet with all concerned parities (not teams) BEFORE the Draft and expalin the process, the need for ballance. Also the leage does need to strictly sanction any player who attemptes to circumvent the draft process through this one man stirkes etc.
Of course I have also held the opinion for some time now that the leage should do away with individual team work outs of prospects. I would prefer a prep camp run by former NBA plaers and coaches with no current asscoicaiton where ALL Draft prospects work out, despaly tallent and even skrimish in a pre draft games. (voluntary of course) All teams can send GM's and Scouts and we can see how small school players look against big school guys. After camp the form NBAers who ran camp can produce relitivly unbiased assments for each team.
The point is Yi and his handelers misunderstnd the NBA and the I think the NBA and it's US fans misunderstnd Yi. This could have been avoided. I also think that the comparisons to previous Primadonas who refuded to report are superficial missing the most if not all of the much greater differneces behind the motives in refusing to paly for a team that drafed them.
rhythmless
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i see both sides of the coin. however, i side with brick just because im excited to be on the short list of approved destinations. minus golden state, and chicago, i think we are definitely front runners in this. getting yi would go a long way to displacing the bitter taste about those two losses (yes, im still on that). a few reasons stand out:
i have never heard yi say anything about not palying for the bucks. also, an article posted somewhere here talked about yi not being vocal about the influence the CBA and china would have on his NBA career, comparing yao's fierce defense, and yi's submissive attitude towards dictating his career.
vf, i agree with you about players attitudes that whine about trades; we dont need them here. but i dont think yi is the attitude, its whats over yi. if we do get him, im not sure that we will hear any more issues with trading yi somewhere else, or whatnot. its unknown, and could potentially come up, but its a risk im willing to take.
if bucks do allow this to happen, you can bet that stern will put in stops to prevent this from happening again. stern wants china, and china wants the nba. its a symbiote relationship, and if this were to happen, i am sure stern will be quick to point out the one time favor the nba has done for CBA (at least this is how the politics could possibly play out)
we can hate the way this is playing out, cry about it being unfair, which it definitely is, but what if we get yi? and lets say he turns in to an all star, and complements hawes, martin, garcia? and this stuff never occurs again, im willing to bet that we all, if not forget, then at least put this away in our heads. whats the adage about winning makes everything better?
i have never heard yi say anything about not palying for the bucks. also, an article posted somewhere here talked about yi not being vocal about the influence the CBA and china would have on his NBA career, comparing yao's fierce defense, and yi's submissive attitude towards dictating his career.
vf, i agree with you about players attitudes that whine about trades; we dont need them here. but i dont think yi is the attitude, its whats over yi. if we do get him, im not sure that we will hear any more issues with trading yi somewhere else, or whatnot. its unknown, and could potentially come up, but its a risk im willing to take.
if bucks do allow this to happen, you can bet that stern will put in stops to prevent this from happening again. stern wants china, and china wants the nba. its a symbiote relationship, and if this were to happen, i am sure stern will be quick to point out the one time favor the nba has done for CBA (at least this is how the politics could possibly play out)
we can hate the way this is playing out, cry about it being unfair, which it definitely is, but what if we get yi? and lets say he turns in to an all star, and complements hawes, martin, garcia? and this stuff never occurs again, im willing to bet that we all, if not forget, then at least put this away in our heads. whats the adage about winning makes everything better?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Pay me millions of dollars with a whole cadre of buttkissers paid to compeltely insulate me from the environment while I get a chance to play a game for glory and pursue stardom and I'll deal.
Again, he's not going to be hanging out with chinese people on a day to day basis anyway. He won't live near concentrated communities (other than by luck if there is a rich immigrant doctor or some such near by), won't work with them (other than the occasional front office employee etc.) and in general his life is going to be defenined by his wealth and job, not his ethnicity, no matter which town he ends up in.
Sometimes I think the attempted defenses of him make him sound more wimpy than he necessarily is.
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Double-K
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You maybe right. But I as an immigrant myself find people sometimes underestimated the process of getting used to a completely unfamiliar situation.
Think of the friends/family you'll be leaving behind. It's more mental than physical. It's more than just money and glory.
.... Or maybe I'm just sucker of that.....
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
You maybe right. But I as an immigrant myself find people sometimes underestimated the process of getting used to a completely unfamiliar situation.
Think of the friends/family you'll be leaving behind. It's more mental than physical. It's more than just money and glory.
.... Or maybe I'm just sucker of that.....
Thing is, unless you are quite accomplished you would have been coming in under completely different circumstances though. As a nobody (sorry, just relatively). Just another guy suddenly in a foreign place cut off from your support system.
Yi on the other hand will be arriving rich and famous and surrounded by hangers on. If he doesn't want to, he would never have to leave his I am sure very nice house. Others can shop/interact. He will have an interpreter, people teaching him the language. Thousands/millions looking up to him cheering him when he does go out. probably one or more live in people who share his ethnicty/language. And a team/front office doing whatever they can to make him comfrotable as well. Not to mention a pack of rich temmates probably eager to help the new guy get to know the restaraunts, city etc. It will not be home to be sure. But neither will he be left alone and floundering in a foreign culture. He'll have every advantage, regardless of setting.
Im not quite sure why they even took Yi when they just traded for Villanueva. Even assuming you put Villa at SF, they could have easily taken B Wright who is just as good, if not a somewhat safer pick because hes american. They had a lot of options but still took him. They had to know he didnt want to play there, clearly if you arent invited to the workouts he doesnt want to get picked by you. Whether or not this turns out to be a good pick or a huge mistake, remains to be seen.
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