Would you trade Bibby to get KG?
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Sigh.
Would I trade Mike Bibby for this:
9x All-Star.
6x All NBA First Team.
6x All NBA Defense 1st Team
1x All NBA Defense 2nd Team
03-04 Most Valuable player
Of course.
People get too possessive of their players sometimes.
Would I trade Mike Bibby for this:
9x All-Star.
6x All NBA First Team.
6x All NBA Defense 1st Team
1x All NBA Defense 2nd Team
03-04 Most Valuable player
Of course.
People get too possessive of their players sometimes.
whozit
Starter
It would depend on who went with him and what else was planned, such as a resigning Bonzi? use of the MLE? dumping of expiring contracts? ect.
You didn't leave a middle option of depending on all the "other" little details, and that is where I would be at. Based on what I had suggested earlier, I would with reservation/apprehension.
You didn't leave a middle option of depending on all the "other" little details, and that is where I would be at. Based on what I had suggested earlier, I would with reservation/apprehension.
GoGoGadget
All-Star
I voted yes. From a purely basketball point of view, you can't not make that trade. I don't want it to happen, however. I've got a fondness for Mike. And I would absolutley LOVE to see he and KG on the same team given their respective skills -- combination would be killer.
Ultimately, if I were in charge of making such decisions, I'd go for it.
But I'd have a full on, no holds barred, kicking and screaming, temper tantrum while doing so.
Ultimately, if I were in charge of making such decisions, I'd go for it.
But I'd have a full on, no holds barred, kicking and screaming, temper tantrum while doing so.
Can I watch?
DocHolliday
Starter
I voted no, but all I'm saing if this trade goes down Brad Miller BETTER be involved. I want him out, and this would be the trade to do it. A Timberwolves team with an unhappy all-star looking for a decent enough deal to get rid of him. You take a center with good numbers and whatever else you need to get the deal done. But if Bibby and parts were to go and not Miller I would be PIIIIIIIIIIIIISSED!!!
GoGoGadget
All-Star
I can't answer this one, if it was straight up of course the answer is yes. If it was Brad, KT, Bibby and our draft pick for KG and some bad contracts, no. If it was the same deal and we got Banks I'd definitely think about it - yes for sure if we kept our pick. If it was KT, Bibby and some expiring contracts for KG yes if we could trade Brad for a competent PG.
I guess that's technically a yes but I am going to decline checking that box.
I guess that's technically a yes but I am going to decline checking that box.
SacKings4Life21
Bench
come the heck on... if they wanted our whole team we would have to think about it to get KG. I mean I wouldnt want to trade ron but KG is top 10 in the league.
KingKong
Starter
I believe Bibby means more to this team than people give him credit for. Garnett ofcourse is by far the greater talent, but Bibby can take the team on his back and will them to win, however I can't say the same about Garnett. Obviously if it were a straight up deal, I wouldn't hesitate for a second, but since that's not gonna happen, I voted no.
Additionally, I'm not sure how KG and Artest would coexist on the same team... we do know that Artest and Bibby are pretty tight.
Additionally, I'm not sure how KG and Artest would coexist on the same team... we do know that Artest and Bibby are pretty tight.
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GoGoGadget
All-Star
I'm a Mike Bibby fan and have often argued his importance to the team, however, Mike Bibby has willed his team to win exactly as much and as often a Kevin Garnett. Head to head: no rings, one WCF appearance, lots of heart. But Garnett's clearly the bigger talent.
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Entity
Hall of Famer
its not as if its straight trade if so theh YES. But we are sending more with it. With Bibby going you get great depth at the 2/3 with Garcia and Martin??? still on the bench. But then comes the dilema. You have to pick up a Starting pg, a backup pg a starting Center and a backup Center with the MLE. Now of course we would probably get some of the dregs from the Wolves to fill the backup roles but starting spots with only the MLE left leaves us with small holes. Now with Bonzi going instead of Bibby its perfect for us.
Bibby
Martin
Artest
Garrnett
MLE Center
SAR
Garcia
Whoever we trade Corlis, Potato, Williamson, and Hart for.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
You would also be being silly.
Would much rather keep Bibby than Brad, but if your frontcourt next year is Artest/KG/Miller you have got yourself one heck of a team.
DocHolliday
Starter
No. Our frontline would have a couple great wings. The center would still be weak. You'd still have a slow center that can't jump, and can't move with any speed to try to protect from someone blowing passed him or going around him. He just can't get there. The wings would be great, but it changes NOTHING at the center position.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
It changes much at the center position. Namely it gets a guy who can cover for a lot of Brad's weaknesses. Guard the other team's best big. Board near the top of the league. Intimidate with his length. Brad is still Brad, but now you have a guy who covers for what he lacks. Team would still need a couple of good roleplayers, but its the best SF/PF/C combo in the league.
Unfortunately the coach/system best suited to that frontcourt left town a few weeks back. So while it would still be a very strong group, I'd rather Brad went and Bibby stayed. I MIGHT even rather Brad went and Bonzi stayed, as he fits the fighting spirit of that group much better. But would have to think about that with the dearth of quality centers out there.
DocHolliday
Starter
Granted KG could cover some of Brad's weaknesses, bit I'd rather KG be worrying about his side of the court, and not have to worry about picking up slack for Brad.
At least you clarified that you'd rather Brad go and Bibby stay. It was starting to sound like you'd rather have Bibby go and Brad stay. That would just be crazy talk in my book.
PFFFT!!
Starter
While we're at it....Lets do this trade:
Sacramento gets:
KG
Minnie receives:
Brad
Bibby
Bonzi
Artest
SAR
KT
KMart
Francisco
Price
Monia
Pottie
Corliss
19th pick
a couple of assistant coaches
Petrie
Slamson
That way we could have the following roster:
KG
KG's ego
KG's left shoe
KG's right shoe
KG's alter-ego
now thats a good deal.
Sacramento gets:
KG
Minnie receives:
Brad
Bibby
Bonzi
Artest
SAR
KT
KMart
Francisco
Price
Monia
Pottie
Corliss
19th pick
a couple of assistant coaches
Petrie
Slamson
That way we could have the following roster:
KG
KG's ego
KG's left shoe
KG's right shoe
KG's alter-ego
now thats a good deal.
nbrans
All-Star
captain bill
All-Star
Let's think about this. If KG is traded for, the general idea seems to be that we will give up Brad Miller, Kenny Thomas, our pick, plus Bonzi or Bibby. That means we have a team of Artest, Kevin Martin, Cisco Garcia, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Kevin Garnett, plus either Bibby or Bonzi AND one or two players from Minnesota that they will need to send over to make the salaries match (probably 2 players out of Jaric/Hudson/Hassel/Davis).
The team would lack depth, certainly. But that team has to be a force in the west. Think about the depth like this:
Artest/Garnett (as good top 2 players as any team except maybe Detroit or SA)
(Bonzi/Bibby)/Abdur-Rahim/Martin: Kings fans love Kev, we know how good both Mike and Bonzi are, and Reef might become very very good given more minutes (minus KT/Brad) playing alongside Garnett and Artest. Hell, anyone would look good next to those 2- and let's not forget that SAR is no scrub
...after that the team gets thin. Cisco, Minny's scrubs, Hart, Corliss, maybe the MLE? But honestly, do we care that much? Teams win on the strength of their greatest players. The bench can sustain a team over a long season, bail a team out if they have an off night, but not make a good team a contender. Having 2 superstars, however, would make a team a contender. Also, adding Garnett makes the value of our MLE go up significantly. Who wouldn't want to come to a team that just got a new superstar and a new coach and looking for a new identity- sounds like a good place for any vet to come in and try to win a ring, but actually helping create a team in the process.
bottom line: you'd be nuts to not trade away any combination of players not named artest to get garnett. if it is Bibby, console yourself by knowing that Bonzi/Artest/Garnett will form one of the nastiest cores in the league
The team would lack depth, certainly. But that team has to be a force in the west. Think about the depth like this:
Artest/Garnett (as good top 2 players as any team except maybe Detroit or SA)
(Bonzi/Bibby)/Abdur-Rahim/Martin: Kings fans love Kev, we know how good both Mike and Bonzi are, and Reef might become very very good given more minutes (minus KT/Brad) playing alongside Garnett and Artest. Hell, anyone would look good next to those 2- and let's not forget that SAR is no scrub
...after that the team gets thin. Cisco, Minny's scrubs, Hart, Corliss, maybe the MLE? But honestly, do we care that much? Teams win on the strength of their greatest players. The bench can sustain a team over a long season, bail a team out if they have an off night, but not make a good team a contender. Having 2 superstars, however, would make a team a contender. Also, adding Garnett makes the value of our MLE go up significantly. Who wouldn't want to come to a team that just got a new superstar and a new coach and looking for a new identity- sounds like a good place for any vet to come in and try to win a ring, but actually helping create a team in the process.
bottom line: you'd be nuts to not trade away any combination of players not named artest to get garnett. if it is Bibby, console yourself by knowing that Bonzi/Artest/Garnett will form one of the nastiest cores in the league
SacKings384
Starter
If the Kings could somehow find a way to keep Brad that would be a great front line. It would benefit KG IMMENSELY. Most of the time when you have to double a big man (as you would have to with KG) the other big man comes over and doubles that palyer. Leaving in this case Brad Miller wide open. Who is usually AUTOMATIC from the outside. Haslem, Nazr, Juwan Howard are all guys that get WIDE open shots from the double team. Apart of Brads problem was that nobody on the team gets double teamed besides sometimes Bonzi. But I also think any deal getting KG would involve Brad.
Its important not to trade away too much talent to get Garnett. Yes you would trade any Kings player to get KG, and most likely any two players with the exception of Artest who is a keeper. But when you start talking about 3 or more quality players and a draft pick you suddenly have a lot of holes to fill and not many options to fill them. KG cannot win by himself. Look at the Minnesota teams for all the evidence needed.
