Would you rather start KT, or Skinner at PF?

[Gary]

If the season started tomorrow and we had to start either Thomas, or Skinner at PF which would you choose?

I for one would take Skinner in a heart beat. Our offense is fine the way it is, and we do not need a undersized PF that is a liability on defense starting for us.

Skinner brings better shot blocking, defense (at the PF position), and will not need to take his share of shots. He would get mainly most of the "garbage points". Plus I would rather see Skinner body up on the more elite PF out there. Think of him like a Miami Heat PF Hasslem that can block shots. They did fine, because Hasslem played D, and rebounded. They had other positions score which we have more than enough people to help out in that dept. (Peja, Miller, Bibby, Wells)

KT could come off the bench, and give us a spark. KT could play the 3 or the 4 off the bench effectively.

Keep in mind Skinner is not my ideal player for the Kings at the PF position, but if the season started tomorrow and that's what we had I would not run for the hills. I think we have enough scoring all around to give up a bit at the 4. Plus think of the defense, rebounding, and blocked shots we would be getting!

 

[VF21]

Skinner isn't going to start. KT may be "undersized" but he still has valid numbers that make him a much better option to start than Skinner. Everybody keeps saying we need more defense, but at some point you have to make sure you still have enough offense remaining to outscore your opponents.

I like Skinner. I like his attitude, his determination, etc. but he is NOT a starting caliber PF.

 

[Kings113]

Skinner. I agree with your idea on Thomas too.

 

[Gary]

Skinner isn't going to start. KT may be "undersized" but he still has valid numbers that make him a much better option to start than Skinner. Everybody keeps saying we need more defense, but at some point you have to make sure you still have enough offense remaining to outscore your opponents.

I like Skinner. I like his attitude, his determination, etc. but he is NOT a starting caliber PF.

I believe we have enough offense in the starting lineup where this wouldn't be an issue.

This would inject much needed defense and rebounding into the starting lineup. Skinner would be guarding the PF instead of the Center which I am sure would be much more suitable for his style of play.

KT would bring some rebounding to our bench squad which would be welcome as well. Plus against a lot of other teams so called bench players KT would dominate.

 

[Ryle]

I believe we have enough offense in the starting lineup where this wouldn't be an issue.

This would inject much needed defense and rebounding into the starting lineup. Skinner would be guarding the PF instead of the Center which I am sure would be much more suitable for his style of play.

KT would bring some rebounding to our bench squad which would be welcome as well. Plus against a lot of other teams so called bench players KT would dominate.

KT is the ultimate "tweener" and I really wish we could get rid of him and that hideous contract. Only problem is I don't think we can count on Skinner to be healthy the entire year.

 

[VF21]

I believe we have enough offense in the starting lineup where this wouldn't be an issue.

This would inject much needed defense and rebounding into the starting lineup. Skinner would be guarding the PF instead of the Center which I am sure would be much more suitable for his style of play.

KT would bring some rebounding to our bench squad which would be welcome as well. Plus against a lot of other teams so called bench players KT would dominate.

If we have to make KT a bench player and use Brian Skinner to "inject defense and rebounding into the starting lineup" we're doomed.

Once again, this whole mystique about solving the Kings' problems at the PF is not going to come from within the team. Skinner is an average player; a roleplayer who doesn't have grandiose dreams. He's not a starting caliber player.

If you want to see him get more time, then that's probably going to happen but I cannot imagine a scenario where Brian Skinner becomes the starting PF over KT. (And this is in NO WAY meant to endorse KT as our starting PF. It's simply a statement about what we currently have available to work with...)

If you want to make Skinner your starting PF for the Kings in a fantasy league, go for it. As far as real life is concerned, I'd be willing to bet almost anything is it not going to happen - and for a lot of very valid reasons.

 

[thesanityannex]

The PF could come from within the team, how bout we just combine Skinner/Thomas to make a decent PF.

 

[Jerryaki]

The PF could come from within the team, how bout we just combine Skinner/Thomas to make a decent PF.

wasn't that mentioned a while back? the awesome amalgamation of songaila, thomas, and skinner, hence forth known as Benny Skingaila?

 

[nbrans]

This kind of seems like a pointless discussion to me. It doesn't really matter who starts, what's more important is who will play more minutes and who's on the court at the end. I'm still guessing Kenny Thomas, but because Skinner and Thomas have somewhat similar ability levels it will be determined by matchups and who is having the better game.

 

[Rockmeister]

Neither.

 

[zip95843]

I would start Webber in a heart beat...

 

[nbrans]

Shareef Abdur-Rahim

 

[tyrant]

The PF could come from within the team, how bout we just combine Skinner/Thomas to make a decent PF.

that's an oxymoron?? combine skinner/thomas?? we need to count on one guy because it's only gonna be one guy during clutch moments; so how can we combine the two? now if the rules were different in a sense that we can have 6 guys on the court and both skinner and thomas could play the PF together then im all for it, BUUUUUUT unfortunately it doesn't work that way

 

[thesanityannex]

that's an oxymoron?? combine skinner/thomas?? we need to count on one guy because it's only gonna be one guy during clutch moments; so how can we combine the two? now if the rules were different in a sense that we can have 6 guys on the court and both skinner and thomas could play the PF together then im all for it, BUUUUUUT unfortunately it doesn't work that way

A little over your head I guess. Skinner/Thomas would be one guy er go the word "combined".

 

[Gary]

If we have to make KT a bench player and use Brian Skinner to "inject defense and rebounding into the starting lineup" we're doomed.

I totally agree, but if you had to choose between the two to "fit" in your starting lineup I would choose Skinner. He gives the starting until more of what we need over KT.

 

[captain bill]

Skinner is not the defender that you guys are giving him credit for. He gets a lot of blocked shots when he is lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time, but as often as not his man will just blow by him to the hoop. I'm not sure he's any better a rebounder than Thomas, and we lose a lot of scoring and ballhandling skills. Bad, bad idea.

 

[PFFFT!!]

None. There will be another move. People here are getting bored. Understandable :E

 

[VF21]

None. There will be another move. People here are getting bored. Understandable :E

I have a question...

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What is ":E"?

 

[SacTownKid]

Interestling idea.

I have gone back through footage of last season, and I noticed a few things.

1. Both Brian and Kenny can fit well into our offense. I mean these guys made some unbelievable passes (esp. when you consider the circumstaces)
2. These guys a very good role players, that fit well into what Petries plans are, as far as making the team, more athletic, tough nosed, and versatile.
3. I don't care who starts or what position they play, these players are NOT just "average" players. While not anything close to being "superstars" they deserve more credit then to be simply, brushed off.

 

[VF21]

...These guys a very good role players...

And that, in a nutshell, is the whole problem some of us have. The elite teams in the West, including the Sacramento Kings pre-trade, don't have "role players" as their starting PFs.

 

[thesanityannex]

And that, in a nutshell, is the whole problem some of us have. The elite teams in the West, including the Sacramento Kings pre-trade, don't have "role players" as their starting PFs.

These teams also don't have "borderline all stars" aka (Bibby, Miller, Peja) at their other spots. We don't necessarily have to have a "star" at PF to compete, it would just make things easier. And I like things easy.

 

[Folsom Al]

Kay-Tee

 

[SacTownKid]

And that, in a nutshell, is the whole problem some of us have. The elite teams in the West, including the Sacramento Kings pre-trade, don't have "role players" as their starting PFs.

I don't think you can look at a team and say, "Well we don't have a superstar PF, so we are not an elite team" its a very narrow minded way of thinking. You have to look at the collective of players on the court, and as Mike Bibby, has brought up, you need to have ROLES. We are very talented at all the other positions on the floor and that helps us greatly.

I like what Petrie has done so far. I can see the reshaping of this team right before my very eyes, and it looks good to me.

BTW, look up the numbers that we had "pre-trade" against the elite teams in the West. It isn't a pretty sight. I could argue that if we are not an "elite" team after the trade, then we certainly weren't before it.

 

[jon e]

Brad Miller Needs To Be Power Forward!!!

 

[PFFFT!!]

I have a question...

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What is ":E"?

Its my bucktooth grin...I patented it. :E

 

[ski]

The Skinner that played great for a month until he injured his thumbs, yes. The Skinner we saw after that point on. No way.

 

[tyrant]

I don't think you can look at a team and say, "Well we don't have a superstar PF, so we are not an elite team" its a very narrow minded way of thinking. You have to look at the collective of players on the court, and as Mike Bibby, has brought up, you need to have ROLES. We are very talented at all the other positions on the floor and that helps us greatly.

I like what Petrie has done so far. I can see the reshaping of this team right before my very eyes, and it looks good to me.

BTW, look up the numbers that we had "pre-trade" against the elite teams in the West. It isn't a pretty sight. I could argue that if we are not an "elite" team after the trade, then we certainly weren't before it.

i think what VF21 is saying that it would be nice to have someone bigger and more athletic in the pf position; not becuase none of our core players are talented enough, but because we need to do something about the other great pf's in the west. who can rebound, who can be aggressive

i know you want a superior player in the pf position, but no team HAS to have a superior power forward to compete. you can have a michael jordan or a lebron james; a player that can make the team a great one; could be a shooting guard/center whoever.

we currently have pieces. bibby, peja, miller, bonzi, etc. don't get me wrong, all of these guys with the exception of bonzi has been to the ALL-STAR game. ((bibby is all star material i don't care if he hasn't been yet)). however these guys aren't individually strong enough to lead this team to the promise land. we have to become one team; look what larry did to the pistons. and there are teams with waaaaaaay more talent. and it's strange because you would think that sacramento ((through all the trades)) still has the best chemistry. so i have no other alternative but to blame the coach.

 

[sactown_draftpick]

skinner in a second

 

[SacTownKid]

i think what VF21 is saying that it would be nice to have someone bigger and more athletic in the pf position; not becuase none of our core players are talented enough, but because we need to do something about the other great pf's in the west. who can rebound, who can be aggressive

i know you want a superior player in the pf position, but no team HAS to have a superior power forward to compete. you can have a michael jordan or a lebron james; a player that can make the team a great one; could be a shooting guard/center whoever.

we currently have pieces. bibby, peja, miller, bonzi, etc. don't get me wrong, all of these guys with the exception of bonzi has been to the ALL-STAR game. ((bibby is all star material i don't care if he hasn't been yet)). however these guys aren't individually strong enough to lead this team to the promise land. we have to become one team; look what larry did to the pistons. and there are teams with waaaaaaay more talent. and it's strange because you would think that sacramento ((through all the trades)) still has the best chemistry. so i have no other alternative but to blame the coach.

I BELIEVE in this team and BELIEVE that these players can lead us to a championship. If it doesn't happen, then there's nothing we can do about it. They at least deserve a shot, IMO. I am also looking at the situation realistically,and realistically, I think this is a contending team. Sure it could get better, I wouldn't mind a big name player like KG, Duncan, Sheed, SAR, Brand, Walker, etc., but we got what we got, and it ain't all that bad.

 

[tyrant]

I BELIEVE in this team and BELIEVE that these players can lead us to a championship. If it doesn't happen, then there's nothing we can do about it. They at least deserve a shot, IMO. I am also looking at the situation realistically,and realistically, I think this is a contending team. Sure it could get better, I wouldn't mind a big name player like KG, Duncan, Sheed, SAR, Brand, Walker, etc., but we got what we got, and it ain't all that bad.

with the exception of the bonzi/cuttino deal this is the same team that got beat 4-1 by a suprising seattle team. they had their shot. now it's time to bring in da big dogs.