Would you? Anthony Davis as a King.

Would you trade up for Davis?

  • Yes, no matter the price

    Votes: 1 1.5%
  • Yes, only if we don't lose DMC

    Votes: 30 44.1%
  • Yes, but only if we don't lose DMC or Reke

    Votes: 28 41.2%
  • No, the asking price will be too much

    Votes: 9 13.2%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    68
  • Poll closed .
Anyone not named DeMarcus Cousins is on the block if we can get Anthony Davis.

If someone isn't willing to let Reke go in such a move, i'd say he's out of his damn mind.
 
nevermind what I or anyone else here would do (I might be tempted to trade Reke, for pretty much the reasons gunks has laid out. bigs rule.) but would Geoff Petrie do it? and would Keith Smart know what to do with Davis? he seems to be pretty much the kind of player whose worth this franchise has refused to acknowledge for decades and I really can't see Petrie going out of his way to acquire him. ergo: just win the lottery, please!
 
nevermind what I or anyone else here would do (I might be tempted to trade Reke, for pretty much the reasons gunks has laid out. bigs rule.) but would Geoff Petrie do it? and would Keith Smart know what to do with Davis? he seems to be pretty much the kind of player whose worth this franchise has refused to acknowledge for decades and I really can't see Petrie going out of his way to acquire him. ergo: just win the lottery, please!

I'm pretty sure that when Coach Smart was watching the Final Four he was thinking, "Man. That Davis kid would make one sure-fire Point Guard."

*Calls Petrie* "Hey Geoff! We need Davis to run this offense."

Geoff: "I agree. I see Steve Nash when I look at him. OK Move Reke to the 3 so we can show everyone IT is a ROY. Then everyone will want to trade for him and our breakout star Travis Outlaw."

Smart: "Done."
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As much as I'm joking, this conversation actually isn't too far from the truth I'm sure. :p
 
That said, I totally agree with you about what you want to give up to aquire him. I'm not giving up either Tyreke or Cuz. And, I think its possible to do a deal, depending on who is picking first, and what their glaring needs are. So until we know the actual draft order, its hard to say. I love Davis, and think he's a can't miss player, barring injury. But you don't take two steps backward to go one step forward. If its mean't to be, it'll happen.

That's my take, too. I like Davis, but I'm still fascinated by Kidd-Gilchrist. If we don't trade up, KG might actually be available for us when we draft.
 
[sarcasm]Lets sign Thabeet and move DMC to PF.[/sarcasm]

Sorry.. Had to make fun of the people that wanted Thabeet. Wasn't it most of you? :)

Just kidding. Davis is not going to be Purvis Ellison guaranteed. Davis is the real deal, and I would give up anyone on the team not named DMC to get him.
 
That's my take, too. I like Davis, but I'm still fascinated by Kidd-Gilchrist. If we don't trade up, KG might actually be available for us when we draft.

I would truely love to believe that, but, I think KG is going to be the second pick in the draft. Its possible I guess that someone desparate for a big man might go with Thomas Robinson second, but even then, KG would go third. Anyway you look at it, we'd need to get lucky in the lottery. KG is the second best defensive player in the draft after Davis.
 
A player like Davis is definitely someone to fill in our current roster. He doesn't demand the ball on offense, and hopefully, he fills out. He's a basket protector, and right now that's what we need. We already have a cornerstone post player in DMC who can get 20/10 on any given night. We have a powerful slasher that gives teams fits in Evans (think about it for a second - who would guard him if he played against the Kings) who can go 20-5-5-5 on any given night. Bring in Davis, and 3/5 of our lineup is set. Then we just have to worry about acquiring a good shooter - probably the easiest thing to find in the league. A simple shooter for spacing. Could be at the PG, could be at the SF. That's why I feel everyone else is expendable.

Evans, Cousins, and Davis are a core built for the postseason...assuming Davis lives up to the hype. I'm not too worried about that, because he's a defensive guy, and that's what we're asking him to be in the NBA. Everyone else has a skillset that can be replaced by others.

yep, shooter would be the easiest to fill and probably what we need to do. as much as i love thornton's skills, i think he'd be the easiest to replace in terms of getting a sharp shooter. if we could get a full size 2 guard that can hit shots placed next to reke and we'd be set.

cousins
davis
kirilenko?
shooter
reke

cousins would be protected by davis, kirlenko and reke's defense.

cousins, reke would draw doubles and free up the rest of the team to hit open shots.

i can dream..
 
I wouldn't want Evans playing the point in that lineup. He isn't good at seeing the floor and I wouldn't want him in charge of getting looks for Kirilenko/Cousins/Davis.

Would rather put Evans at 2, and maybe lucking out and drafting a guy like Teague or something. Or maybe trading a future pick for a late lottery and picking up Kendall Marshall.
 
BTW, I believe Anthony Davis is only 1 block ahead of Hassan for the most blocks by a freshman in an NCAA season.

If Whiteside's progress continues to grow exponentially like he has shown this season, missing Anthony Davis in this draft may not be too bad at all.

Anyway, as long as we pick either of these guys Davis, Robinson, Drummond, MKG, or Barnes, I'm already a happy Kings' fan.
 
BTW, I believe Anthony Davis is only 1 block ahead of Hassan for the most blocks by a freshman in an NCAA season.

If Whiteside's progress continues to grow exponentially like he has shown this season, missing Anthony Davis in this draft may not be too bad at all.
I agree. Whiteside's body looks more suited for the NBA now than Davis' is too. I doubt if Davis body can even developed or approach that of Garnet's body.
 
I agree. Whiteside's body looks more suited for the NBA now than Davis' is too. I doubt if Davis body can even developed or approach that of Garnet's body.

Do you remember what Garnett's body looked like when he came into the league? Davis has wide shoulders and and a large frame. I don't see a problem with him adding 20 or so pounds of muscle. Whiteside has already added around 25 pounds of muscle since he's been here, and he was as skinny as a rail coming out of Marshall.
 
BTW, I believe Anthony Davis is only 1 block ahead of Hassan for the most blocks by a freshman in an NCAA season.

If Whiteside's progress continues to grow exponentially like he has shown this season, missing Anthony Davis in this draft may not be too bad at all.

Anyway, as long as we pick either of these guys Davis, Robinson, Drummond, MKG, or Barnes, I'm already a happy Kings' fan.

Although Whiteside's block total is impressive, lets remember that he played in a mid-level school, and Davis played in one of the toughest conferences in the NCAA. So I wouldn't exactly equate the performances. And thats not a criticism of Whiteside. I have very high hopes for him. The rest of Davis game is what really separates Davis from Whiteside. Davis overall skill level is off the charts compared to Whiteside. Which of course is why we were able to draft him in the second round.
 
All of these debates and questions are why you can NOT given up a #1 AND the ROY two years ago to get Davis. You could given up a package like that to get Shaq, or Ewing, ro Admiral, or some other player who had perfect size, immense skill, and a proven track record of domination. Those were essentially can't misses (although of course Oden showed you still can miss when a guy is very young and very injury prone). Davis on the other hand is a guy who MAY dominate. But who certainly wasn't offensively dominate in college. HE should be a great defensive plyaer...but even there there is some need for physical development. Bottom line when Shaq entered the league he was 100% guaranteed to be a superstar -- also of course why no possible package of players or picks would have gotten you him. With Davis he might be a superstar, but it may not even be the most likely outcome if we assume superstar = 20+ ppg scorer. He might be a star. He should at least be a great defensive starter. But in any case, there are a lot of things he can be that would make giving hup too much for him a step back rather than a step forward, and oh boty would he be under a lot of pressure/microscope. Anythign but superstar and he's a disappointment.

If we land the #1 in the draft, great. If we can weasel our way into the #1 somehow withotu ripping out our most talented young pieces, then great. But giving up two potential young stars for one isn't a way to go about building anything.
 
It's looking like we have a good chance at getting the 4th worst record in the league. So I'm going to say we'll be between 3-5 for the draft. I think offering Thornton, Jimmer, and the 3rd, 4th, or 5th pick would be a good enough deal to get the job done. Of course it will have to depend on which team wins the lottery. I just hope the Hornets don't win it assuming they would resign Gordon at SG and the fact that Thornton was traded from the Hornets. Thornton, Jimmer, and MKG/Robinson/Drummond/Barnes would be a lot of talent and potential to pass up. We all know this team has talent. We just need that one trade that balances our talent. This could very well be that deal.

If our owners are serious about spending money, then this offseason is the time to do it. Amnesty Salmons, sign Dragic/Hinrich and Batum/Kirilenko/Wallace, and resign Williams and Thompson and we will have a very, very competitive lineup.

Dragic or Hinrich/Thomas
Evans/Williams
Batum, Kirilenko, or Wallace/Garcia/Honeycutt/Outlaw
Davis/Thompson/Hayes
Cousins/Whiteside

eight man: Dragic, Evans, Batum, Davis, Cousins, Thomas(PG), Williams(SG/SF), and Thompson(PF/C)
 
It's looking like we have a good chance at getting the 4th worst record in the league. So I'm going to say we'll be between 3-5 for the draft. I think offering Thornton, Jimmer, and the 3rd, 4th, or 5th pick would be a good enough deal to get the job done. Of course it will have to depend on which team wins the lottery. I just hope the Hornets don't win it assuming they would resign Gordon at SG and the fact that Thornton was traded from the Hornets. Thornton, Jimmer, and MKG/Robinson/Drummond/Barnes would be a lot of talent and potential to pass up. We all know this team has talent. We just need that one trade that balances our talent. This could very well be that deal.

I seriously doubt that would get it done, though it depends which team we're dealing with. The same thing happens every year -- the consensus top pick gets hyped up to high heaven to the point where you basically need to be including All Stars or multiple picks to trade up to that spot. Davis just won several player of the year awards as a freshman and was the most valuable player on the championship team. He's going to get the franchise player tag from day 1 whether it's deserved or not. Thornton has put up good numbers this year, but he's also exposed some of his limitations. Jimmer still has a lot to prove (and a growing number of detractors). Isaiah Thomas has got the top rookie hype going for him right now so packaging him with the 2nd or 3rd pick might turn some heads if a team is desperate for a PG, but like Brick said, the more you include in that deal the more you need Davis to be a superstar to break even. It's not a winning game.

The more interesting discussion, I think, is whether we'd be best served keeping the pick or not if we do win the lottery. Cousins and Davis as a duo does seem like it has ideal offense/defense potential on paper. I didn't watch Kentucky often this year, probably a half dozen games plus the tournament, so my impression is hardly authoritative -- but while I did have the occasional "oh my god" moment at a nice block or steal, I didn't see a player that is guaranteed to dominate defensively in the NBA. The guys coming at him are going to be bigger, faster, stronger, and craftier so there's going to be an adjustment period. It makes me nervous that we have a similar player in Whiteside already on the roster and he hasn't been able to crack the rotation after nearly two seasons. I think Davis could be, and probably will be a very good defensive player and the amount of ground he can cover on the court with his speed and length is really special. But you can pick up defensive specialists in free agency. If you can land an All-Star caliber PG or SF by trading Davis and then fill in that other front court spot in some other way you have to consider it don't you?

Oh, who am I kidding. If you win the #1 pick you take Davis and laugh all the way to the bank. On the subject of Kentucky though: Anthony Davis was an imposing physical presence this year not just because of his size but because he never stops coming at you. He's got a motor that runs for days. But I still think Kidd-Gilchrist was the heart and soul of that team. Whenever they needed big plays he came through for them. When his teammates struggled with their shot he filled in quite capably. That 24 and 19 game to take down Louisville early in the season was a thing of beauty. But he was also more than happy to take a back seat and just bust his rear on defense. As much as I'd love to have a physical defender like Davis patrolling the paint for us, I'd love even more to have Kidd-Gilchrist's intensity and basketball instincts solidifying that SF position. Drummond, Barnes, Robinson, and Beal have all earned their share of hype and could drift up draft boards in the pre-draft process if they impress the right people. Kidd-Gilchrist's understated lead-by-example approach (and he's not very well-spoken in interviews either) may cause him to slide a bit. That's what I'm hoping for at this point anyway, because we need his attitude on this team. We need it to spread like a virus.
 
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I seriously doubt that would get it done, though it depends which team we're dealing with. The same thing happens every year -- the consensus top pick gets hyped up to high heaven to the point where you basically need to be including All Stars or multiple picks to trade up to that spot. Davis just won several player of the year awards as a freshman and was the most valuable player on the championship team. He's going to get the franchise player tag from day 1 whether it's deserved or not. Thornton has put up good numbers this year, but he's also exposed some of his limitations. Jimmer still has a lot to prove (and a growing number of detractors). Isaiah Thomas has got the top rookie hype going for him right now so packaging him with the 2nd or 3rd pick might turn some heads if a team is desperate for a PG, but like Brick said, the more you include in that deal the more you need Davis to be a superstar to break even. It's not a winning game.

The more interesting discussion, I think, is whether we'd be best served keeping the pick or not if we do win the lottery. Cousins and Davis as a duo does seem like it has ideal offense/defense potential on paper. I didn't watch Kentucky often this year, probably a half dozen games plus the tournament, so my impression is hardly authoritative -- but while I did have the occasional "oh my god" moment at a nice block or steal, I didn't see a player that is guaranteed to dominate defensively in the NBA. The guys coming at him are going to be bigger, faster, stronger, and craftier so there's going to be an adjustment period. It makes me nervous that we have a similar player in Whiteside already on the roster and he hasn't been able to crack the rotation after nearly two seasons. I think Davis could be, and probably will be a very good defensive player and the amount of ground he can cover on the court with his speed and length is really special. But you can pick up defensive specialists in free agency. If you can land an All-Star caliber PG or SF by trading Davis and then fill in that other front court spot in some other way you have to consider it don't you?

Oh, who am I kidding. If you win the #1 pick you take Davis and laugh all the way to the bank. On the subject of Kentucky though: Anthony Davis was an imposing physical presence this year not just because of his size but because he never stops coming at you. He's got a motor that runs for days. But I still think Kidd-Gilchrist was the heart and soul of that team. Whenever they needed big plays he came through for them. When his teammates struggled with their shot he filled in quite capably. That 24 and 19 game to take down Louisville early in the season was a thing of beauty. But he was also more than happy to take a back seat and just bust his rear on defense. As much as I'd love to have a physical defender like Davis patrolling the paint for us, I'd love even more to have Kidd-Gilchrist's intensity and basketball instincts solidifying that SF position. Drummond, Barnes, Robinson, and Beal have all earned their share of hype and could drift up draft boards in the pre-draft process if they impress the right people. Kidd-Gilchrist's understated lead-by-example approach (and he's not very well-spoken in interviews either) may cause him to slide a bit. That's what I'm hoping for at this point anyway, because we need his attitude on this team. We need it to spread like a virus.

Then maybe we also need to ask: If Davis is gone, should we trade up if necessary to get MKG? And if so, what?
 
Then maybe we also need to ask: If Davis is gone, should we trade up if necessary to get MKG? And if so, what?

I used to ask myself questions like that, but I can't picture Petrie ever trading up so I try not to think about it. :) I don't think we really need to trade up in this draft though. If Davis and MKG do go 1-2, I still like Barnes, Drummond, T Rob, Beal, and P Jones. All of those guys play defense and all of them have some other intriguing talents which could make them very good NBA players.
 
All of these debates and questions are why you can NOT given up a #1 AND the ROY two years ago to get Davis. You could given up a package like that to get Shaq, or Ewing, ro Admiral, or some other player who had perfect size, immense skill, and a proven track record of domination. Those were essentially can't misses (although of course Oden showed you still can miss when a guy is very young and very injury prone). Davis on the other hand is a guy who MAY dominate. But who certainly wasn't offensively dominate in college. HE should be a great defensive plyaer...but even there there is some need for physical development. Bottom line when Shaq entered the league he was 100% guaranteed to be a superstar -- also of course why no possible package of players or picks would have gotten you him. With Davis he might be a superstar, but it may not even be the most likely outcome if we assume superstar = 20+ ppg scorer. He might be a star. He should at least be a great defensive starter. But in any case, there are a lot of things he can be that would make giving hup too much for him a step back rather than a step forward, and oh boty would he be under a lot of pressure/microscope. Anythign but superstar and he's a disappointment.

If we land the #1 in the draft, great. If we can weasel our way into the #1 somehow withotu ripping out our most talented young pieces, then great. But giving up two potential young stars for one isn't a way to go about building anything.

While I think Davis is a far better offensive player than you might think, thats a conversation for another time. I never say anyone is going to be a superstar. I've been wrong too many times in the past. But a star? Yeah, I think Davis will definitely be a star, barring injury. I would love to have him on our team, but I'm not willing to give up one (young) established player that many already consider a star, for a potential star. Doesn't mean I'm not willing to negotiate.

In the first place, we don't even know who will end up having the 1st pick in the draft. Logic tells us it should be the Bobcats. But then logic said it should have been us one year as well. But assuming it is the Bobcats, I think it would take some serious prying to get that pick. Right now, they have Biyombo, Diop, D.J. White, and Tyrus Thomas as their frontcourt. Not exactly a who's who of basketball. They need serious help in that area, and we would be asking them to give up the best big in the draft.

However, if we were to land at number 4, and you have Davis, Robinson and Drummond all there in the top four, then you could almost guarantee them getting one of those three, or Kid Gilchrist, who is projected to go at number 2. So I think we would have to include a resigned Thompson in the package. This of course would still leave us with a depth problem at the PF position that we would have to address in freeagency, but we'd have our running mate for Cousins. So I'd do something like our 4th pick along with Thompson and Fredette for the 1st pick in the draft. I'm making a lot of assumptions here, but assumptions are free right now.
 
I used to ask myself questions like that, but I can't picture Petrie ever trading up so I try not to think about it. :) I don't think we really need to trade up in this draft though. If Davis and MKG do go 1-2, I still like Barnes, Drummond, T Rob, Beal, and P Jones. All of those guys play defense and all of them have some other intriguing talents which could make them very good NBA players.

Yeah, why waste you're time:D. He did surpise me though last year when he traded down, so now maybe he experiences a boomerang effect.:p
 
Yeah, why waste you're time:D. He did surpise me though last year when he traded down, so now maybe he experiences a boomerang effect.:p

He traded down because he knew the guy he or the Maloofs had fallen in love with would be available at #7 or #10 so why not try to improve the team with a trade? That's unfortunately old news and didn't work, at least so far. Let's not be so quick to judge.

As to trading up this year, not the way we are going. I don't want to argue this but the safest is to stand pat. We will simply add an eventual starter and that's a good draft. Let's also remember the misjudgments that are made every year and sometimes future stars do not pan out and sometimes those that are ignored turn out to be future stars. There is too much uncertainty involved so who knows, ths #4 pick may end up being better than the #1. Unlikely, sure but it is in an impossibility.

And, just because I am on a roll, the guy we draft has to suit the coach. I don't think Smart knows what to do with players that are taller than 6'6". Boogie is so obvious I don't give Smart credit. He is managing Boogie's psyche and not his on court play. I use JJ as an example. JJ looked awful for us but where lies the blame? He averaged roughly 13.5 pts with Cleveland, 4 pts for us, and 13.5 pts for Portland. Make of that what you will. At least part of that lies at the feet of Smart.
 
He traded down because he knew the guy he or the Maloofs had fallen in love with would be available at #7 or #10 so why not try to improve the team with a trade? That's unfortunately old news and didn't work, at least so far. Let's not be so quick to judge.

As to trading up this year, not the way we are going. I don't want to argue this but the safest is to stand pat. We will simply add an eventual starter and that's a good draft. Let's also remember the misjudgments that are made every year and sometimes future stars do not pan out and sometimes those that are ignored turn out to be future stars. There is too much uncertainty involved so who knows, ths #4 pick may end up being better than the #1. Unlikely, sure but it is in an impossibility.

And, just because I am on a roll, the guy we draft has to suit the coach. I don't think Smart knows what to do with players that are taller than 6'6". Boogie is so obvious I don't give Smart credit. He is managing Boogie's psyche and not his on court play. I use JJ as an example. JJ looked awful for us but where lies the blame? He averaged roughly 13.5 pts with Cleveland, 4 pts for us, and 13.5 pts for Portland. Make of that what you will. At least part of that lies at the feet of Smart.

The best advice I can give you is to forget the stats, and believe what your naked eye tells you about his skill level. During his time here. he showed me had bad hands. You can either catch the ball, or you can't. I don't care how the coach uses you. He had a very inconsistent jumpshot, which he shot off balance more times than he did in balance. His rebounding was very inconsistent as well. Defensively, he made JT look like all world. Sorry, he didn't impress me, and I was excited about picking him up. Glad he's gone..
 
The best advice I can give you is to forget the stats, and believe what your naked eye tells you about his skill level. During his time here. he showed me had bad hands. You can either catch the ball, or you can't. I don't care how the coach uses you. He had a very inconsistent jumpshot, which he shot off balance more times than he did in balance. His rebounding was very inconsistent as well. Defensively, he made JT look like all world. Sorry, he didn't impress me, and I was excited about picking him up. Glad he's gone..

ditto
 
He traded down because he knew the guy he or the Maloofs had fallen in love with would be available at #7 or #10 so why not try to improve the team with a trade? That's unfortunately old news and didn't work, at least so far. Let's not be so quick to judge.

As to trading up this year, not the way we are going. I don't want to argue this but the safest is to stand pat. We will simply add an eventual starter and that's a good draft. Let's also remember the misjudgments that are made every year and sometimes future stars do not pan out and sometimes those that are ignored turn out to be future stars. There is too much uncertainty involved so who knows, ths #4 pick may end up being better than the #1. Unlikely, sure but it is in an impossibility.

And, just because I am on a roll, the guy we draft has to suit the coach. I don't think Smart knows what to do with players that are taller than 6'6". Boogie is so obvious I don't give Smart credit. He is managing Boogie's psyche and not his on court play. I use JJ as an example. JJ looked awful for us but where lies the blame? He averaged roughly 13.5 pts with Cleveland, 4 pts for us, and 13.5 pts for Portland. Make of that what you will. At least part of that lies at the feet of Smart.


I think your emotions are getting the best of you. After all, Smart did bring in Clifford Ray, an acknolwedged good big man's coach. I give him props for that. He was also playing Whiteside. (He actually didn't play him at point guard). As for Hickson, I thought Smart gave him all the chances in the world to show up; he just never did. (Maybe he didn't get the shots where he wanted them because he and Cousins weren't compatible?...I dunno)

Where I take issue with Smart is his method of substitutions, which make it difficult for players to get a rythm. He's sacrificing rythm and game continuity for player development and team unity. In so doing, he's sacrificing winning, at least for the short term. I do take his words at face value. He is playing for next year by playing Jimmer, Whiteside and T-Will big minutes. He's going to get us a high draft pick, that's for sure, and that is all about next year. So next year we'll see what the deal is. Is he going to continue with the almost haphazard substitution pattern, or is there going to be more of consistent pattern to it?
 
Where I take issue with Smart is his method of substitutions, which make it difficult for players to get a rythm. He's sacrificing rythm and game continuity for player development and team unity. In so doing, he's sacrificing winning, at least for the short term. I do take his words at face value. He is playing for next year by playing Jimmer, Whiteside and T-Will big minutes. He's going to get us a high draft pick, that's for sure, and that is all about next year. So next year we'll see what the deal is. Is he going to continue with the almost haphazard substitution pattern, or is there going to be more of consistent pattern to it?

Just like we saw with Westphal right? With everything else going on right now, I'm not going to begrudge bad basketball decisions too badly. But keeping Smart for another year after he led us to a nice spot near the top of the lottery is a bad basketball decision. We could wait and see what he does with another roster, but more than likely he's going to continue to mismanage the team next year in which case we end up with another interim coach and another year of lost development time. We really need to stop gambling and go after a proven coach in the off-season.
 
Just like we saw with Westphal right? With everything else going on right now, I'm not going to begrudge bad basketball decisions too badly. But keeping Smart for another year after he led us to a nice spot near the top of the lottery is a bad basketball decision. We could wait and see what he does with another roster, but more than likely he's going to continue to mismanage the team next year in which case we end up with another interim coach and another year of lost development time. We really need to stop gambling and go after a proven coach in the off-season.

Yep, just like with Westphal. Barring an ownership change, I don't see a change happening next year.
 
Just like we saw with Westphal right? With everything else going on right now, I'm not going to begrudge bad basketball decisions too badly. But keeping Smart for another year after he led us to a nice spot near the top of the lottery is a bad basketball decision. We could wait and see what he does with another roster, but more than likely he's going to continue to mismanage the team next year in which case we end up with another interim coach and another year of lost development time. We really need to stop gambling and go after a proven coach in the off-season.

Yep, just like with Westphal. Barring an ownership change, I don't see a coaching change happening next year.
 
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