will we be looking for another splash brother clone in the draft

I mean if you're solely looking for a Curry in the draft then you've already lost because you can't find another Curry.

I think I'd avoid reading this if I were you.. Wasn't aware I wrote this much until I did. In short, I just factor in our team needs and apply them to prospects. I evaluate each single prospect to see what they can potentially bring to this team and how they can solve our problem.



Here's just how I personally look at the draft and how we should draft.

1. First, I look at the current trend of the NBA. It is a guard driven league. Then I look at our roster and compare them. There are always outliers, but you need to stay competitive and meet the level of competition. Our guard position is a struggle.

2. Then, I evaluate our roster for our general needs. Our biggest need is perimeter defense. Our 2nd biggest need is consistent 3pt shooting. Our 3rd biggest need is a rim protection. Those are the 3 things we need to answer in the draft.

3. Finally I break it down further into specific positions and our depth chart.

PG- Collison/Ray. Neither players are good playmakers and they're just simple solid. PG is a position we should look to improve if we can. Let's talk about what it lacks. Collison is not a consistent creator. He's also a decent defender, but his size limits him. He fits more as a backup PG than a starting PG because he lacks the talent. When you compare Collison to the rest of the PGs in the NBA, he's a bottom 5. The league has star PGs on almost every team. That's what the Kings need. So they should improve PG if they have the chance to.
  • A PG can potentially fulfill 2/3 things we need. Perimeter defense and shooting from 3pt range.
SG- McLemore/Stauskas. Inconsistent young SGs who struggle on both ends. Cannot contain their man nor can they shoot consistently. Neither are NBA starters at this very moment because of their inconsistencies mostly. We should improve our overall SG position because we're relying on 2 guys who cannot shoot the ball consistently, nor can they defend on a daily basis.
  • A SG can potentially fulfill 2/3 things we need. Perimeter defense and shooting from 3pt range.
SF- Gay/Casspi?/Williams? Solid starting SF who's an elite player on offense. However, his perimeter defense is lacking.
  • A SF can potentially fulfill 3/3 things we need.
PF- Jason Thompson/Carl Landry/Eric Moreland? No starting PF on the roster, but JT is manageable. None provide the rim protecting nor 3pt shooting that we're looking for. It's a spot where we should be looking for a starter and getting rid of one.
  • A PF can potentially fulfill 2/3 things we need. Rim protection and 3pt shooting.

Then I take a look at the draft. There are certain players who can fulfill those needs. I'll go by position:
PG- D'angelo Russel, Emanuel Mudiay
SG- Mario Hezonja/ Devin Booker/ RJ Hunter/ Justise Winslow
SF- Justise Winslow/Stanley Johnson/Sam Dekker/Mario Hezonja
PF- Karl Towns/ WCS/ Kristpahs Porzingis/ Frank Kaminsky

I'm just going to select to evaluate SFs.
I'm not looking for the player that can provide us the most out of those 3 things. But I look at what else they can bring to the team aside from their specialties.

Justise Winslow is a hustle and energy type of player. He's the type of player who doesn't give up on plays and rushes up and down the court( high motor). On offense, he's a good 3pt shooter, but struggles from the mid area shots. He's very good at attacking the rim because of his strength and quickness. Has the ability to catch offensive rebounds and lay them in. He's a good passer with some ability to create. He's not the best ball handler, but he is solid. His FT shooting needs work. His shooting mechanics will need to be tweaked up in the NBA. On defense, he's a very good perimeter defender who can jam his opponents. He is also a very good shotblocker at his size.

Winslow basically provides 2/3 things we need. Perimeter defense and 3pt shooting.

Stanley Johnson is a defined player. He has the size and strength to bully opponents. On offense, he has range from almost anywhere on the floor. However, he has to show a bit more consistency with his shooting. He does a good job around the paint area where he'll probably do most his damage in the NBA. On defense, he doesn't have the lateral quickness you want. He's not a good perimeter defender because of his lack of quickness, however he has he size to defend his man in the paint.

Johnson provides 1/3 things we need. 3pt shooting.


Now I look at the 2 and figure who gives us more of what we need and how each player fits in our roster. Johnson is a very similar player to Rudy Gay which would not work out unless you bring Johnson off the bench.

So yes I do look a bit at need when I evaluate these prospects which is why I value some higher and some lower.

I'm honestly not sure if this was the exact answer you were looking for though..

Collison is probably ranked 18-22 (maybe even a little higher) in pg but at a much better cost than most. He's also a good fit with the stars on this team. There are also few ways to currently upgrade there without sacrificing bigger needs at other positions.

Also think you overrate the importance of "star" PGs in team success.
 
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Collison is probably ranked 18-22 (maybe even a little higher) in pg but at a much better cost than most. He's also a good fit with the stars on this team. There are also few ways to currently upgrade there without sacrificing bigger needs at other positions.

Also think you overrate the importance of "star" PGs in team success.
Almost all of the remaining playoff teams have a star pg.
GSW- Curry
Grizz- Conley
Clips- Paul
Hawks- Teague
Wiz- Wall
Cavs-Irving
Bulls- Rose
Hou-

Guard play is very important in the NBA. Especially for us to be successful. Our PG should be our #3 option, and I think Collison is more of a bench guy, no pun to him.(Reggie)
 
Almost all of the remaining playoff teams have a star pg.
GSW- Curry
Grizz- Conley
Clips- Paul
Hawks- Teague
Wiz- Wall
Cavs-Irving
Bulls- Rose
Hou-

Guard play is very important in the NBA. Especially for us to be successful. Our PG should be our #3 option, and I think Collison is more of a bench guy, no pun to him.(Reggie)

Pg is the least of our problem Collison is an above average pg with good defense we can contend with that. Having good #1 and 2 scores is more important which we have.
 
Almost all of the remaining playoff teams have a star pg.
GSW- Curry
Grizz- Conley
Clips- Paul
Hawks- Teague
Wiz- Wall
Cavs-Irving
Bulls- Rose
Hou-

Guard play is very important in the NBA. Especially for us to be successful. Our PG should be our #3 option, and I think Collison is more of a bench guy, no pun to him.(Reggie)
How many of them have a star center?

Listen, if you want to have a sound argument, build it around the concept of a star player. We have two. Somehow, someway, we lucked into 2 star players. Our issue is not that we lack star guards, but that we lack players complementary to our two stars.

Put a shut down defender on the perimeter, and grab an athletic defender next to Cousins, and we're going places.

We need to not worry about the Joneses. Relative to the field, we're elite at the 5, almost there at the 3. Competitive at the 1.

****. Come on Sacramento, know your strength.
 
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Well, Cavs acknowledged that they basically run Irving as SG now, GSW have Thompson, Butler is more important to Bulls than Rose right now (Rose just wasted two possessions in a row, Butler got the ball and immediately scored), Wizards have Beal, Houston live and die with Harden. High scoring SG is just as important, it seems. Kings need one as well!

DC is absolutely fine as a 3rd option. At least Boogie and Rudy seem to think this way. Better is the enemy of good. Kings have much bigger holes elsewhere. Most importantly they need more and better defenders, starting with bigs.
 
How many of them have a star center?

Listen, if you want to have a sound argument, build it around the concept of a star player. We have two. Somehow, someway, we lucked into 2 star players. Our issue is not that we lack star guards, but that we lack players complementary to our two stars.

Put a shut down defender on the perimeter, and grab an athletic defender next to Cousins, and we're going places.

We need to not worry about the Joneses. Relative to the field, we're elite at the 5, almost there at the 3. Competitive at the 1.

****. Come on Sacramento, know your strength.

Your question is flawed.

How about this question, can you build around a Center?

Can you build around a center in today's NBA? How many teams do you see that have a team built around a center?
 
Pg is the least of our problem Collison is an above average pg with good defense we can contend with that. Having good #1 and 2 scores is more important which we have.
Collison is not an above average pg with good defense. He's a decent PG with decent defense. He's in the bottom tier of starting PGs.
 
Your question is flawed.

How about this question, can you build around a Center?

Can you build around a center in today's NBA? How many teams do you see that have a team built around a center?

Don't be obtuse.
Teams don't do it because they don't have one. Teams have done it since hoops were counted in peach baskets. There were elite guards in the past; they were just shadowed by elite posts. MJ is really the only one who defies this.

Trade Cousins to Boston. Ship him to SA. Watch them do it. Watch them do it well.
 
Well, Cavs acknowledged that they basically run Irving as SG now, GSW have Thompson, Butler is more important to Bulls than Rose right now (Rose just wasted two possessions in a row, Butler got the ball and immediately scored), Wizards have Beal, Houston live and die with Harden. High scoring SG is just as important, it seems. Kings need one as well!

DC is absolutely fine as a 3rd option. At least Boogie and Rudy seem to think this way. Better is the enemy of good. Kings have much bigger holes elsewhere. Most importantly they need more and better defenders, starting with bigs.
Our biggest problem is containing penetration. Our biggest #1 problem is perimeter defense. Guards get to the paint at such ease and it makes it worse that we don't have a shotblocker.
 
Trade the pick. Lawson and Chandler for pick, Stauskas, Landry and Ray Mac.

They get their two lotto picks plus Stauskas and Ray Mac. We get a top pg and a 3 and d wing.
 
Don't be obtuse. Teams don't do it because they don't have one. Teams have done it since hoops were counted in peach baskets.


Trade Cousins to Boston. Ship him to SA. Watch them do it. Watch them do it well.
I never said anything about trading Cousins.

No one is being obtuse here. You just asked me how many of those teams had a star center. Why would you ask that question knowing that there aren't a lot of centers in the NBA?

That is exactly why your question was flawed from the beginning and you just proved it yourself.
 
So frustrating that PDA and Vivek don't appear to understand this.

Just as true is that your style has to fit your current best player. Regardless of the trends in the league. Imagine if the Patriots decided that they preferred the Option offense and tried to convince everyone Brady can run if he wants to. Maybe he can. But it's not his strength and it's a waste of his talent.

Focusing on style and trying to emulate another team in personnel and structure is counterproductive when you already have your star.
I'm sure those in the GS FO would also love to have Cuz, or Davis, or Griffin, or Durant, or a host of others.

Yet they don't, they have the splash brothers and have built around what they have. And if they didn't build around them correctly with Bogut and a bunch of 3&D guys, they wouldn't be what they are as a team.
 
If the warriors win the title it proves you can win that way, can't really deny it at that point.

doesn't look like the Grizz could stay with them in game 1, don't see them losing the series, don't see the clippers beating them either, no one from the East will be able to do anything against them.

It is too bad Curry does not have to face a healthy Conley. Meanwhile Chris Paul is banged up in the other Western Conference series.
Your question is flawed.

How about this question, can you build around a Center?

Can you build around a center in today's NBA? How many teams do you see that have a team built around a center?

Quite a few NBA observers will tell you Bogut is a key player with the GSW. I would even say their defense is built around him and believe it that defense is a large part of what makes them a favorite to win it all this season. Actually all 4 remaining WC team have stand out Bigs. Howard, Jordan, Gasol and Bogut. That right there is 4 stud defensive centers that the teams have built their defenses around.
 
No one is being obtuse here. You just asked me how many of those teams had a star center. Why would you ask that question knowing that there aren't a lot of centers in the NBA?

Now you're getting it. ;)
 
Collison is probably ranked 18-22 (maybe even a little higher) in pg but at a much better cost than most. He's also a good fit with the stars on this team. There are also few ways to currently upgrade there without sacrificing bigger needs at other positions.

Also think you overrate the importance of "star" PGs in team success.
It's interesting, I disagree with a number of people here on the PG position.

I think in today's NBA, one of your guards has to be the star, or in our case the 2nd star behind Cuz. Need a guard who can create for himself, can shoot, but also a guard who can handle and penetrate. When we had Reke who could handle and penetrate I had no issue putting a guy like Beno or even a Chalmers type next to him. But we don't have that anymore and with Ben/Nik or even a guy like Matthews or Afflalo, we need a PG who can break his guy down, get into the paint and create shots for others. We don't have that.

When you have Kobe or Wade or Harden or like I said, even a Reke, your other guard doesn't have to be and likely shouldn't be ball dominant. But currently in the NBA there's a real shortage of SG's who can handle and create off the bounce for themselves and others.

Rudy Gay isn't that guy for me. Ideally my hierarchy is Cuz as the 1st option, a yet to be acquired PG as the 2nd and Rudy as the 3rd. Hell, I'd trade Rudy if it could get us a PG as a 2nd option. By that I mean a true playoff level 2nd option, not just a 2nd option because everyone else is poor.

It's fair to ask can we get that PG. Not sure if we can. I don't see anyone looking to move one. It's also why I've said I'd seriously consider taking Mudiay if he's available when we pick. Star talent at PG is extremely valuable nowadays(due to a serious lack of ballhandling SG's in the league) and a star PG paired with Cuz gives us the highest ceiling. Mudiay would be a risk and he'd need time to develop but I'd obviously keep DC during that period.

All the top teams have a PG who can break down his man and create for himself and others. The few who don't have a SG who can. I don't see top teams who don't have a guard who can break his man down and create looks. ATL might be the closest but I don't like them. They lack star talent and it'll haunt them. Having Cuz isn't a reason not to have a PG capable of doing that. Having a PG like that in addition to Cuz gives us an incredibly high ceiling. Rudy is a good scorer, can draw doubles at times and create some looks for others but our 2nd option needs to be able to create more than Rudy can. For me anyway.
 
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With all the talk of needing such and such players, thought it'd be interesting to note that this year's finals will be the first since 1998 without Kobe, Wade or Duncan. That's quite amazing
 
Our biggest problem is containing penetration. Our biggest #1 problem is perimeter defense. Guards get to the paint at such ease and it makes it worse that we don't have a shotblocker.
Where have you been, when Collison was actually playing for Kings this year?
Experiment.
setup: let's fire Malone. Early season magic is gone, no one wants to play, defense is in the toilet. But games are scheduled, and Collison is still your starting PG for another 23 games under the wise leadership of Mr. Corbin. DC would log 833 minutes, that would include 1683 possessions. Average defensive efficiency - 1.099 PPP. Kinda not good.
1. let's comb through SG options next to Darren:
Mclemore - 1.066 PPP on defense
everybody else - 1.218 PPP on defense
2. forward options:
Rudy+JT - 1.059 PPP on defense (and 1.102 on the other end BTW), somehow still worked - muscle memory, I guess
Rudy+Omri - 1.107 PPP on defense, lacking size doesn't seem to work
Rudy+Derrick - 1.179 PPP on defense, lacking in size and brain doesn't work even more
3. center options:
Demarcus - 1.043 PPP on defense
not Demarcus - 1.239 PPP on defense

Let's put it all together: DC-Ben-Rudy-JT-Cuz without Malone - .976 PPP allowed (and still 1.138 PPP scored), good for 4th defense among NBA starting lineups. That was a big F sign to FO and tribute to a former coach.

Trade the pick. Lawson and Chandler for pick, Stauskas, Landry and Ray Mac.
They get their two lotto picks plus Stauskas and Ray Mac. We get a top pg and a 3 and d wing.
Not this Lawson crap again. Read 206Fan. Kings have enough defensive problems, and Lawson would only exacerbate them.

It's interesting, I disagree with a number of people here on the PG position.

I think in today's NBA, one of your guards has to be the star, or in our case the 2nd star behind Cuz. Need a guard who can create for himself, can shoot, but also a guard who can handle and penetrate. When we had Reke who could handle and penetrate I had no issue putting a guy like Beno or even a Chalmers type next to him. But we don't have that anymore and with Ben/Nik or even a guy like Matthews or Afflalo, we need a PG who can break his guy down, get into the paint and create shots for others. We don't have that.

When you have Kobe or Wade or Harden or like I said, even a Reke, your other guard doesn't have to be and likely shouldn't be ball dominant. But currently in the NBA there's a real shortage of SG's who can handle and create off the bounce for themselves and others.

Rudy Gay isn't that guy for me. Ideally my hierarchy is Cuz as the 1st option, a yet to be acquired PG as the 2nd and Rudy as the 3rd. Hell, I'd trade Rudy if it could get us a PG as a 2nd option. By that I mean a true playoff level 2nd option, not just a 2nd option because everyone else is poor.

It's fair to ask can we get that PG. Not sure if we can. I don't see anyone looking to move one. It's also why I've said I'd seriously consider taking Mudiay if he's available when we pick. Star talent at PG is extremely valuable nowadays(due to a serious lack of ballhandling SG's in the league) and a star PG paired with Cuz gives us the highest ceiling. Mudiay would be a risk and he'd need time to develop but I'd obviously keep DC during that period.

All the top teams have a PG who can break down his man and create for himself and others. The few who don't have a SG who can. I don't see top teams who don't have a guard who can break his man down and create looks. ATL might be the closest but I don't like them. They lack star talent and it'll haunt them. Having Cuz isn't a reason not to have a PG capable of doing that. Having a PG like that in addition to Cuz gives us an incredibly high ceiling.
This team huses as a foundation a big man, who is not particularly adept at playing P&P and only ok at P&R, so if you get a guy, who drives a lot, you're reducing Cuz to a floor spacer. I don't get this obssession with drives: Cuz and Rudy produce a lot of FTs, while others chip in enough to make Kings FT champions as proudly mentioned by Kings' official feed.
P.S. BTW due to the excellent spacing of the Hawks Teague is actually driving more than in recent years, and almost 60% of his shots come within 10 feet of the basket.
 
This team huses as a foundation a big man, who is not particularly adept at playing P&P and only ok at P&R, so if you get a guy, who drives a lot, you're reducing Cuz to a floor spacer. I don't get this obssession with drives: Cuz and Rudy produce a lot of FTs, while others chip in enough to make Kings FT champions as proudly mentioned by Kings' official feed.
P.S. BTW due to the excellent spacing of the Hawks Teague is actually driving more than in recent years, and almost 60% of his shots come within 10 feet of the basket.
So the requirement for putting a top PG next to Cuz is Cuz having to be good in the P&R? No. It gives another threat who can attack and collapse the defense, just as if Reke was here but hopefully someone with a better jumper. Also gives another guy who create easy looks for teammates. We don't have that. As a 2nd weapon in a defensive scheme, a Rudy type is easier to guard and the team easier to guard than a guard who can break his many down. With Rudy you can plan on where you want the double to come from. With a penetrating guard he can force help in more situations you can't plan ahead for.

Cuz isn't nearly as poor in a P&P situation as some make him out to be either. He's a very good midrange shooter in rhythm, uncontested. What we regularly have to stomach is him going 1v1 from the perimeter. Jacking up contested jumpers. But when he does catch and shoot when there's gaps in the defense, he's pretty damn good.

You know who's not that good in P&R or P&P situations? Duncan. But Parker's and Manu's ability to penetrate over the years has been extremely valuable. It's another threat. It's another weapon to collapse a defense. Duncan got easier looks off the attention and mismatches their penetration caused. Shaq had that with Kobe. Shaq sucked in any P&R situation. Shaq and Penny, Shaq and Wade. Same thing, a guard who could penetrate and create for himself or others. Saw it with Hakeem and Drexler. Hakeem wasn't a P&R player. Neither was Barkley when he had KJ. Or Garnett when he had a younger Rondo. What's lost in this is many of the top bigs who actually won something did it with a guard who could penetrate and get his or create. I can't think of any center/SF duo who won anything or came close without a guard who could penetrate, create and was a top option.

Even in NO, Reke and Davis didn't run the P&R that much. It was more Reke going off another's screen or penetrating himself and creating looks for Davis or their shooters. What you mistake for a floor spacer I'd call actually having a guard who can create an easier look for Cuz, something he doesn't get nearly enough of. And this idea because you'd have a penetrating PG that Cuz becomes a bystander is foolish. It's just another threat. Two options to collapse the defense. Or did you consider Cuz a floor spacer when Reke was here?

Edit to add: Part of the reason penetrating guards are so valuable nowadays in the current defensive rules allow them to be. The current soft perimeter rules allow that type of guard to flourish. Now building around a PG is not something I would do, you go with Cuz or a dominant big any day of the week. But having Cuz doesn't negate the value that type of guard would have, he adds to it. Would give us a higher ceiling than just about any team who doesn't have a dominant big paired with a star PG assuming we fill out the rest of the roster with 3&D guys and the correct role players.
 
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It's interesting, I disagree with a number of people here on the PG position.

I think in today's NBA, one of your guards has to be the star, or in our case the 2nd star behind Cuz. Need a guard who can create for himself, can shoot, but also a guard who can handle and penetrate. When we had Reke who could handle and penetrate I had no issue putting a guy like Beno or even a Chalmers type next to him. But we don't have that anymore and with Ben/Nik or even a guy like Matthews or Afflalo, we need a PG who can break his guy down, get into the paint and create shots for others. We don't have that.

When you have Kobe or Wade or Harden or like I said, even a Reke, your other guard doesn't have to be and likely shouldn't be ball dominant. But currently in the NBA there's a real shortage of SG's who can handle and create off the bounce for themselves and others.

Rudy Gay isn't that guy for me. Ideally my hierarchy is Cuz as the 1st option, a yet to be acquired PG as the 2nd and Rudy as the 3rd. Hell, I'd trade Rudy if it could get us a PG as a 2nd option. By that I mean a true playoff level 2nd option, not just a 2nd option because everyone else is poor.

It's fair to ask can we get that PG. Not sure if we can. I don't see anyone looking to move one. It's also why I've said I'd seriously consider taking Mudiay if he's available when we pick. Star talent at PG is extremely valuable nowadays(due to a serious lack of ballhandling SG's in the league) and a star PG paired with Cuz gives us the highest ceiling. Mudiay would be a risk and he'd need time to develop but I'd obviously keep DC during that period.

All the top teams have a PG who can break down his man and create for himself and others. The few who don't have a SG who can. I don't see top teams who don't have a guard who can break his man down and create looks. ATL might be the closest but I don't like them. They lack star talent and it'll haunt them. Having Cuz isn't a reason not to have a PG capable of doing that. Having a PG like that in addition to Cuz gives us an incredibly high ceiling. Rudy is a good scorer, can draw doubles at times and create some looks for others but our 2nd option needs to be able to create more than Rudy can. For me anyway.

You're speaking the truth today. Preach on.
 
So the requirement for putting a top PG next to Cuz is Cuz having to be good in the P&R? No. It gives another threat who can attack and collapse the defense, just as if Reke was here but hopefully someone with a better jumper. Also gives another guy who create easy looks for teammates. We don't have that. As a 2nd weapon in a defensive scheme, a Rudy type is easier to guard and the team easier to guard than a guard who can break his many down. With Rudy you can plan on where you want the double to come from. With a penetrating guard he can force help in more situations you can't plan ahead for.

Cuz isn't nearly as poor in a P&P situation as some make him out to be either. He's a very good midrange shooter in rhythm, uncontested. What we regularly have to stomach is him going 1v1 from the perimeter. Jacking up contested jumpers. But when he does catch and shoot when there's gaps in the defense, he's pretty damn good.

You know who's not that good in P&R or P&P situations? Duncan. But Parker's and Manu's ability to penetrate over the years has been extremely valuable. It's another threat. It's another weapon to collapse a defense. Duncan got easier looks off the attention and mismatches their penetration caused. Shaq had that with Kobe. Shaq sucked in any P&R situation. Shaq and Penny, Shaq and Wade. Same thing, a guard who could penetrate and create for himself or others. Saw it with Hakeem and Drexler. Hakeem wasn't a P&R player. Neither was Barkley when he had KJ. Or Garnett when he had a younger Rondo. What's lost in this is many of the top bigs who actually won something did it with a guard who could penetrate and get his or create. I can't think of any center/SF duo who won anything or came close without a guard who could penetrate, create and was a top option.

Even in NO, Reke and Davis didn't run the P&R that much. It was more Reke going off another's screen or penetrating himself and creating looks for Davis or their shooters. What you mistake for a floor spacer I'd call actually having a guard who can create an easier look for Cuz, something he doesn't get nearly enough of. And this idea because you'd have a penetrating PG that Cuz becomes a bystander is foolish. It's just another threat. Two options to collapse the defense. Or did you consider Cuz a floor spacer when Reke was here?

Edit to add: Part of the reason penetrating guards are so valuable nowadays in the current defensive rules allow them to be. The current soft perimeter rules allow that type of guard to flourish. Now building around a PG is not something I would do, you go with Cuz or a dominant big any day of the week. But having Cuz doesn't negate the value that type of guard would have, he adds to it. Would give us a higher ceiling than just about any team who doesn't have a dominant big paired with a star PG assuming we fill out the rest of the roster with 3&D guys and the correct role players.
Problem is Boogie already has Rudy, who is using a big number of possessions and prefers it to be closer to the basket. And you can't have 3 players, that use most of possessions, to have limited area for their preferred finishes. That's why Collison, who likes to use screen action to settle for a mid-range jumper, worked so well next to Boogie and Rudy - he doesn't use same area for his finishes, which makes it harder to crowd. You would be surprised, that Collison was top5 in the NBA as a ballhandler in screen action as a scorer, and at .94 PPP was behind only Lou Williams, Paul, Curry and Harden: http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/ba...sonType=Regular Season&CF=Poss*G*200&sort=PPP.
Now there's no statistics as to how he fared as a setup guy off, though combing through "Passing" tab of player tracking, Collison looks similar to guys like Damian Lillard, Goran Dragic and Mike Conley: http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/pl...r Season&sort=PLAYER&dir=1&CF=PTS_CRT_48*G*15
 
Mario Hezonja would be a very interesting pick. Draft express has him at 7. He can shoot the 3 plus he's got handles and plays D - and he's also 6'8". If his game translates we would bring a lot of flexibility to the kind of line ups Karl could play.
 
What sucks is Kings had the chance to get both Curry and Thompson in the draft..Except Kings drafted Evans and Fredette :( Hindsight is 20/20 as they say.

But Kings should build on it's players strength and build it's own identity. NBA has changed from low post presence to outside shooting. Spurs, Heat, Thunder no longer have low post presence..it used to be if you don't have inside post play you can't be championship team. Now it's different, it's the 3-ball that evens the playing field out and team with a deep bench usually will end up hoisting that trophy in the end, think of the Spurs and their deep bench.

Now that I think of it, 2001 Kings (Webber/Divac/Bibby) paved the way! I miss the old Kings of 2001, great passing, team play, shooting and bench.
 
Your question is flawed.

How about this question, can you build around a Center?

Can you build around a center in today's NBA? How many teams do you see that have a team built around a center?

This is basically a what came first, the chicken or the egg? Do most teams not have dominate centers because they don't want them, and have a different philosophy, or is it that there just aren't any to be had. Can you build around a center? Of course you can, but first you have to have one worth building around.
 
It's interesting, I disagree with a number of people here on the PG position.

I think in today's NBA, one of your guards has to be the star, or in our case the 2nd star behind Cuz. Need a guard who can create for himself, can shoot, but also a guard who can handle and penetrate. When we had Reke who could handle and penetrate I had no issue putting a guy like Beno or even a Chalmers type next to him. But we don't have that anymore and with Ben/Nik or even a guy like Matthews or Afflalo, we need a PG who can break his guy down, get into the paint and create shots for others. We don't have that.

When you have Kobe or Wade or Harden or like I said, even a Reke, your other guard doesn't have to be and likely shouldn't be ball dominant. But currently in the NBA there's a real shortage of SG's who can handle and create off the bounce for themselves and others.

Rudy Gay isn't that guy for me. Ideally my hierarchy is Cuz as the 1st option, a yet to be acquired PG as the 2nd and Rudy as the 3rd. Hell, I'd trade Rudy if it could get us a PG as a 2nd option. By that I mean a true playoff level 2nd option, not just a 2nd option because everyone else is poor.

It's fair to ask can we get that PG. Not sure if we can. I don't see anyone looking to move one. It's also why I've said I'd seriously consider taking Mudiay if he's available when we pick. Star talent at PG is extremely valuable nowadays(due to a serious lack of ballhandling SG's in the league) and a star PG paired with Cuz gives us the highest ceiling. Mudiay would be a risk and he'd need time to develop but I'd obviously keep DC during that period.

All the top teams have a PG who can break down his man and create for himself and others. The few who don't have a SG who can. I don't see top teams who don't have a guard who can break his man down and create looks. ATL might be the closest but I don't like them. They lack star talent and it'll haunt them. Having Cuz isn't a reason not to have a PG capable of doing that. Having a PG like that in addition to Cuz gives us an incredibly high ceiling. Rudy is a good scorer, can draw doubles at times and create some looks for others but our 2nd option needs to be able to create more than Rudy can. For me anyway.

I agree with some of what your saying, and of course you stating your preference. Like you, I have mine. Truth is, there are many prototypes you can use to build a team. But you do have to pick one, and then stick with it. That's something we haven't done in quite a while. My prototype is more in the Vlade/Webber team mold. Bibby wasn't the second option, and he wasn't, in my opinion, a star PG. Christie wasn't a star SG. But both fit perfectly into what the Kings were trying to do at the time. They all complimented each other, and most importantly, they trusted one another. There's not a lot of trust going on with the Kings right now, and that has to change if they intend to become competitive.
 
Of course you can build a championship team around an All-Star Center in this day and age. However, building around that center would mean having a SG who can shoot. It has been awhile since we had one of those and it would make a really big difference IMO.

Not confident about doing it through the draft though. Maybe we could re-sign Quincy Douby. LOL
 
What sucks is Kings had the chance to get both Curry and Thompson in the draft..Except Kings drafted Evans and Fredette :( Hindsight is 20/20 as they say.

But Kings should build on it's players strength and build it's own identity. NBA has changed from low post presence to outside shooting. Spurs, Heat, Thunder no longer have low post presence..it used to be if you don't have inside post play you can't be championship team. Now it's different, it's the 3-ball that evens the playing field out and team with a deep bench usually will end up hoisting that trophy in the end, think of the Spurs and their deep bench.

Now that I think of it, 2001 Kings (Webber/Divac/Bibby) paved the way! I miss the old Kings of 2001, great passing, team play, shooting and bench.

If the Kings had drafted Fredette instead of Curry, then you'd have a legitimate point, but they didn't. They drafted Tyreke, and at the time, Evans, Rubio, Flynn, and Brandon Jennings were all considered safer choices than Curry. Tyreke went on to win rookie of the year, so hindsight or not, I wouldn't say that Tyreke was a bad choice, and an argument could be made that he should still be on the team, and that we'd be a better team with him. Curry's own father said that he was shocked at how good his son is. There were a lot of people that liked Curry, myself included, but I didn't think he would be as good as he is, nor did I think he would be better than Tyreke. And I wasn't alone.
 
There's a blurb that resurfaced right now, that Curry refused to workout for anyone (truth, indeed), trying to force his way to NYK and D'Antoni. Grizzlies' brass was considering him at #2, but couldn't convince the owner. Tyreke OTOH offered to face/workout for anyone at the top of the draft, and got himself drafted at #4. Warriors decided, they didn't care and drafted Curry anyway.
 
There's a blurb that resurfaced right now, that Curry refused to workout for anyone (truth, indeed), trying to force his way to NYK and D'Antoni. Grizzlies' brass was considering him at #2, but couldn't convince the owner. Tyreke OTOH offered to face/workout for anyone at the top of the draft, and got himself drafted at #4. Warriors decided, they didn't care and drafted Curry anyway.

Actually if you remember Curry not only worked out for the Kings but worked out WITH Tyreke.

Apparently Evans was just bouncing every other guard around like bowling pins and had an outstanding workout. The other guards were Curry, Johnny Flynn, Nick Calathes, Toney Douglas and Patty Mills.

I actually figured Evans was going to go to Memphis and the Kings would be looking to decide between Harden, Curry and Flynn since whispers had already started that they were underwhelmed by Rubio's workout. My fear was that they'd end up with Thabeet.

Looking back Zach Harper actually had a pretty good read on all the guys that were in for that workout.

http://cowbellkingdom.com/sundays-six-guard-workout-video/
 
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