WILD IDEA!! What if Bibby and Artest are NOT traded?

[CruzDude]

What if the Kings go on a winning streak of sorts? Four more wins in a row puts them at .500. With 42 games remaining, they going 27-15 gives them 45 wins and serious playoff chance.

What if they do a win streak with Bibby and RonRon in there and the bench really becomes a force?

RonRon is an expiring so he is more tradeable at $7.4/$8.4M.

Bibby has no real baggage and 2 more years at $13.5/$14.5M tho' he can also opt out after next year.

But who has anything of comparative value? Not really anybody. So we trade for a stronger bench? that's tough unless you get one or more 1st rounders in addition to some strong bench types.

But if either is traded then a strong bench guy (Beno for Bibby, Salmons for Artest) moves up leaving a weaker bench. Cisco is great off bench but who then is backup PG? who is the banger-rebounder? someone we get in a trade I guess. (Unless Dahntay becomes more under control).

But if we see 3-4 more games like they did against the Nets (Clips and Sonics coming up are in the Nets genre) and why would we want to trade them? Ok, ok, to get something of value if RonRon wants to leave.

 

[Bricklayer]

I moved this over to the Personnel section rather than simply lock it. We have a lot of wild optimism threads after crushing those mighty Nets, its duplicative unless its a persoinnel discussion.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

There's games like against New Jersey that illustrate the sort of chemistry and potential that this team has, and while that shows we're growing, New Jersey really was pathetic defensively. I have to say this--I do like this team's depth; I hate to use the word "blessing in disguise", but Beno Udrih, Francisco Garcia and John Salmons were all around the 12-17 ppg range as starters recently, and that sort of experience seems to have helped them gain the incentive to still be viable contributors off the bench. When we're clicking, it's absolutely beautiful to watch. Petrie in particular has been patient throughout this whole process, watching us look like utter crap at times while seeing games like last night, and lord knows what he's thinking right now. However, it's results such as last night and the past few games that make me believe that the roster should be kept, except Artest. I still like Bibby, despite the fact that the trade rumors list him as good as gone from our team; he shoots the ball well and brings an interesting veteran dynamic to guide our young players. As for Artest, it's mostly because off-the-court, he's still trouble to waiting to happen, and on-the-court, he's more inconsistent, erratic, force-the-issue-type, turnover prone than what we would like to believe. I know I'm focusing on his negatives, because he still is a top flight defender, but his single-mindedness sometimes deviates from team play, and I think he can expendable in that regard, particularly since he's probably as good as gone this offseason. Just get some value in return for him, and we can guarantee Salmons and/or Garcia more minutes. I don't think it will be much of a loss.

 

[The Hammer]

I think what a lot of people don't realize is that not a lot of teams are going to be able to sign ron to the kind of contract he wants this off-season because most teams don't have the cap room. You can't sign a free agent that will put you over the cap. He will have waived his bird rights when he opts out. Yes, he may go to a major city for the MLE and make up the difference in endorsements, but what I think is strong possibility is a sign and trade the offseason with Artest. 1, his value will be higher because he will have been playing longer and doing well within our system. 2, S&T means that he gets the big contract, and the team we trade him to knows he'll be with them for a while. 3. We will be able to get something in return.

It's in his best interest and he knows it to play well this year and not just walk but try to negotiate a new contract with us in order to S&T.

We are not in a rush to trade him by the deadline. We are better off waiting and trading him in the off-season. Or, sweet Jesus, renegotiate a new contract and keep him.

 

[AriesMar27]

i would hope that we keep artest for the season unless we can somehow get david lee in a trade by the deadline... if we keep him this season it takes minutes away from garica which means when we try to sign him to an extension we wouldnt have to give him a huge contract... he has played great while he was getting minutes and is doing well coming off the bench... but i wouldnt want to see him signed to a big contract like luke walton....

he's just as good but do we really need him making more than salmons? and if we keep bibby signing beno would be nice since he plays really well off the bench as well... we've needed a back up pg since bobby was traded and now we have it...

if anything our pf situation is what we need to address... trading thomas with bibby is too hard to match salaries without taking back a contract just as bad as thomas'... it would be nice to trade someone like salmons with thomas for someone like gooden... that would be cool but cleveland needs a pg not a sg... but i dont know... after the webber trade i dont even want to see either one traded...

 

[SacTownKid]

Simply put, the potential negatives of not trading them far outweigh the potential positives.

 

[VF21]

Um what? The downside of not trading them outweighs the possible benefits of trading them? That's like a quadruple negative, isn't it?

 

[91sickness]

I wouldnt be suprised at all if we stand still and dont make a move come trade deadline. In fact I kind of expect that to happen. If we do make a move it will be one like the Webber trade and us not get much in return. And if I woulda known what we were getting for Webber before it happened I would have been totally against it. I highly doubt we get anything of significant value if we make a move before the deadline. However I do like the idea of sign and trade Artest @ the end of the season when his value is higher and we know where teams will be in the draft order and can try to steal a 1st rounder.

 

[SLAB]

I've expected something big for the past handful of years.

All I've gotten was Brian Skinner for Potopenko and Monia.

I'm gonna expect nothing, and hope for a surprise this year,

 

[CruzDude]

All it takes is the "THUD" we saw at the Clippers game to bring us back to reality that RonRon needs to be traded much more than Bibbs. But how a whole team can THUD like that is amazing and befuddling. I've never seen such a 180 turnaround in 24 hours like that and by the whole team.

Something needs to be done to get stability and keeping RonRon is likely not the solution.

 

[Kingster]

I don't see how it's a "wild idea". It's probable that they won't be traded. Until I see otherwise, Petrie will continue to "wait and see."

 

[Gary]

Yah, Artest needs to go... He played pretty bad last night. Well they all did, but my focus was on Artests suckitude more than anyone esle, because I don't like the guy.

 

[SacTownKid]

Um what? The downside of not trading them outweighs the possible benefits of trading them? That's like a quadruple negative, isn't it?

Yep, we are that screwed!


I answered the question directly.

 

[SacTownKid]

I've expected something big for the past handful of years.

All I've gotten was Brian Skinner for Potopenko and Monia.

I'm gonna expect nothing, and hope for a surprise this year,

We got Ron Artest the last time we had a player that could opt out of his contract during the summer. Hopefully Petrie doesn't trade Artest for another long term, equal contract this time. We are in a far different place now.

 

[CruzDude]

You know dudes, Kings are on small win streak (4), have two more winnable games this week and hit road for some winnable games rest of this month: Mem, Hou, Por, Atl (home), Char, Mia and Atl all this month. Seven games before trading deadline on the 21st of Feb. I still think Petrie may not pull trigger on a trade. He doesn't have to and it's in Artest's best interest to do a sign-and-trade in any case, which he can do after 1 July.

If the right deal comes maybe. If not, we have our roster. And if Kings can get 10 wins this month (they are 2 for 2 so far) that puts them 4 games above 500 on the road to 45+ wins.

Tough call. If they get hot why mess with them?

 

[Rockmeister]

If the right deal comes maybe. If not, we have our roster. And if Kings can get 10 wins this month (they are 2 for 2 so far) that puts them 4 games above 500 on the road to 45+ wins.

Tough call. If they get hot why mess with them?

Everyone is getting excited because the team is on a 4 game win streak. However, I hate to burst people's bubbles, but this team is not very good, let alone have a 45+ wins.

 

[Smills91]

Everyone is getting excited because the team is on a 4 game win streak. However, I hate to burst people's bubbles, but this team is not very good, let alone have a 45+ wins.

We've played 9 games with 'everyone healthy' (cept SAR). Since then we've gone 7-2. I think 42-45 wins is a very reasonable and realistic outlook if we keep this team together.

 

[Rockmeister]

We've played 9 games with 'everyone healthy' (cept SAR). Since then we've gone 7-2. I think 42-45 wins is a very reasonable and realistic outlook if we keep this team together.

Ok, I'll be sure to bookmark this post.

 

[Gary]

I do think Smills is on the right page, but the entire Western Conference is winning right now because they are all playing East teams. We have all but 5 teams at .500 or above. I would hold off on making that statement until we start playing those west teams again on a nightly basis.

The one thing I do love is our assists, and the decline on the turnovers since Bibby/Martin/Artest are back.

 

[SacKings7]

I actually agree with Smills and think that this team can make the playoffs (I admit I didn't think so at the beginning of the year). And I really think this is the year that Bibby gets traded, probably for more "movable pieces".